Dec 9 2010: Chat with Special Guest John “Pathfinder” Lester

December 9th, 2010 | Posted by iggy in Transcripts


Topic: Chat with Special Guest John “Pathfinder” Lester

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AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable Special Monthly meeting.

AJ Brooks: We meet each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour.

AJ Brooks: Our meeting today is a special one-on-one interview with John “Pathfinder” Lester

AJ Brooks: John and I will be using Voice Chat for this meeting. Its important to please remember to keep your microphones muted.

Pathfinder Lester: mano a mano

AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.

AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we do keep and publish a transcript of what is said in local chat. If you’ve not seen the transcripts, you should check them out – they are an excellent information asset.

Delenn Daines: you Biased AJ?

AJ Brooks: The transcripts can be found at our web site – – select the TRANSCRIPTS tab at the top.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: A library a la Borges šŸ™‚

AJ Brooks: Please do visit our site and send along any suggestions to me directly. You will find announcements, articles, and more.

AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable continues to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.

AJ Brooks: Please join the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable group here in SL. You can also find us on Facebook and Flickr by our full name and Twitter @VWER.

AJ Brooks: When you blog or tweet, please remember to use the hashtag #vwer (IM me if you’re not sure what that means)

AJ Brooks: If you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. šŸ™‚ It tends to lag things.

AJ Brooks: I have been looking forward to today’s meeting since we booked it. John has been a guest in the past, a couple of times with Claudia, representing Linden Labs investment in the education market,

AJ Brooks: and once flying solo, which you can read here

Bau Ur: even turned off, if it listens for “on” in chat, it lags.

AJ Brooks: You are welcome to use the local chat as a back channel, but if you have a question for John, we will be using Google Moderator.

AJ Brooks: Google Moderator is a web based tool where you can go to add a question AND/OR vote on questions that have already been posted.

AJ Brooks: The most popular questions will appear on the top of the list, and those are the questions I’ll ask in voice chat.

AJ Brooks: Please note, John and I will NOT be monitoring local chat, so if you’d like a question asked, please post it to Google Moderator (and also vote on the other questions that are there)

AJ Brooks: There are URL givers on either side of the amphitheater floor and also behind us above the Montclair State sign.

AJ Brooks: Click on it and you will get a pop up asking you to open a web page, which will open inside the SL browser (you can also click to open it in a regular web browser)

Bau Ur: Do you have instructions to get Google MOderator?

Delenn Daines: google moderator says jeff young interview

AJ Brooks: Through this site you will ask and vote for questions. You do need a Google account to sign in.

AJ Brooks:

Delenn Daines: the one on the sign

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: URL in the local chat is correct

AJ Brooks: Just two more things before we get started.

AJ Brooks: Please make sure to visit for the latest information and to keep up with our guest bloggers and columnists. Both Iggy’s”Rebel Yell” and

Luisa Bourgoin: got “Please sign in to vote on questions and ask your own.”

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yee haw

AJ Brooks: Evelyn’s “A View From Europe” have new blogs up and John joins “The Super Set” with his current post.

Angelle Marquette: Hi Jokay !!

AJ Brooks: As of just a couple of short weeks ago, we announced the opening of the VWERGrid. We held our first meeting there on December 1st, as part of the IndieMetaverse event.

jokay Wollongong: Hey Angelle šŸ˜‰

Angelle Marquette: Zotarah, hey.

AJ Brooks: We are taking applications to create an OpenSim avatar through our grid, from where you can hypergrid to an already large and growing number of places.

AJ Brooks: In fact, I think we might be able to get John to tell us about a little prjoect he runs that has to do with hypergridding

Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Angelle

AJ Brooks: We have also rolled out the VWERGrid’s Educators Land Initiative, a project through which those with direct educational ties can request a parcel of land at no cost.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: hey Jokay! I promise not the crash the sim again šŸ™‚

jokay Wollongong: hehe Iggy! its ok you’re not winning in the ‘whoops i crashed it’ stakes šŸ˜‰ I’m thinking of awarding a prize šŸ˜‰

AJ Brooks: Details and the request form can be found here . We are already over 40% full so don’t wait if you plan to put in a request.

AJ Brooks: As most of you know, my name is AJ Kelton and I am the Director, Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University in New Jersey

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 32 on the sim for the transcript

Bau Ur: alas. Good luck protecting the minors even with the region ratings system.

Eren Padar: / good point Bau.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: At least VWERgrid can show due diligence

AJ Brooks:

AJ Brooks:

Angelle Marquette: YAH !

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: thanks John for joining us

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: they’ve known each other a long time and seen many developments

Bau Ur laughs pretty hard at the Enterprise hat.

Olivia Hotshot: whoo hoo Path!

Kali Pizzaro: PL: great to be here

Kali Pizzaro: see lots of familiar faces

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: thanks to you on behalf of our membership for your support of this community over time

Kali Pizzaro: PL: its been a pleasure to watch you grow

Kali Pizzaro: over the years

Kali Pizzaro: great team

Olivia Hotshot: is Path saying we’re old? =)

Sarvana Haalan accepted your inventory offer.

Kali Pizzaro: you should be proud

jokay Wollongong: hah Olivia

Delenn Daines: positively ancient in sl years

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: foks who organize this would agree that the community here makes this roundtable happen

Bau Ur: He’s saying he’s proud of us seeing us grow up. šŸ™‚ (laughing) Uncle Pathfinder.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: so you worked for Linden Lab, now doing other things, and let’s talk about that

Kali Pizzaro: PL: Formerly known as Pathfinder Linden.


Now Director of Community Development at ReactionGrid Inc.

Eren Padar: WOT??

Eren Padar: happen to greenchat? šŸ˜€

Eren Padar: oops

Bau Ur: Yay ReactionGrid.

Eren Padar: / wot happen to greenchat?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: I’m flying by the seat of my pants, and did not prepare Qs, so tell us about what got you into virtual environments

Kali Pizzaro: PL: well this is the summary

Kali Pizzaro: my background goes back to

Kali Pizzaro: the 90’s

Kali Pizzaro: and i did research in neuroscience

Bau Ur laughs at people who say “Waaaaaaay back in the 1990s”…..heheheh

Angelle Marquette: LOL

Kali Pizzaro: i used a lot of computers in looking at anatomy

Bau Ur: it’s so youthful and cute.

Kali Pizzaro: and how they could connect

Kali Pizzaro: people

Kali Pizzaro: via dial up boards

Delenn Daines: wow! dial up! I remember that

Kali Pizzaro: were there was collaboration between people

Rachelle Munro: I remember that too!

Eren Padar: / Dial up… take 30 minutes to download a PHOTO.

Bau Ur makes the BRRR.DIZZZZZZZ dialup noise nostalgically

Eren Padar: / LOL

Kali Pizzaro: PL: then how could we use computers for patients to

Kali Pizzaro: share information and support

Bau Ur: emotional bandwidth. What an excellent term.

Kali Pizzaro: to help connect them together

Kali Pizzaro: I started to use goggle

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the Palace!

Teachergirl Razor: yes indeed

Kali Pizzaro: active worlds system the palace if anyone remembers that

jokay Wollongong: hehe.. yay for The Palace šŸ˜‰

Angelle Marquette: 2.5 D world

Kali Pizzaro: I discovered SL in alpha

Kali Pizzaro: i sighned up in 2002

AJ Brooks: The moderators signs have been fixed – so feel free to click on them to ask or vote for questions

AJ Brooks:

Kali Pizzaro: PL: i was just exploring and then started to use it with patients

Kali Pizzaro: stoke patients, asphergers

Kali Pizzaro: so in 2005 i continued ot use other platforms

Kali Pizzaro: so then i joined LL

Kali Pizzaro: my focus was on community, educators, healthcare

Kali Pizzaro: i start scaffolding and then waited for it to evolve

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: SLED list = Pathfinder’s Frankenstein Monster??

Kali Pizzaro: PL: then over time i looked at other communities how say educators and gamers interacted

Eren Padar: / LOL lead evangelist. ā—•ā€æā—•

Kali Pizzaro: how could the influence and help each other

Delenn Daines loves the sled list

Eren Padar: / Pardon wot is SLED?

Angelle Marquette: A term I now understand and appreciate.

Kali Pizzaro: PL: i tried to help folk understand SL

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: SL education List

Kali Pizzaro: then i left ll in March 2010

Eren Padar: / ahhh tyty

Kali Pizzaro: PL: i was a bit disengaged from all including virtual worlds and even my computer

Kali Pizzaro: for a few months

Kali Pizzaro: and then worked with some Tibetan monks

Kali Pizzaro: helping them sort their Library

jokay Wollongong: *waves*.. and woot for jokaydiaGridizens šŸ˜‰

VWER Dec. 12, 2010

Rachelle Munro: go Jokay

Spiral Theas: Yay, Jokay!

Kali Pizzaro: PL: i got pulled back in and Jokay was influential in that decision

AJ Brooks: Post your questions for John, or vote on teh questions that are already posted –

Kali Pizzaro: i then joined Jokaydia

Angelle Marquette: Fits perfectly.

jokay Wollongong: Pathlandia is gorgeous.. if you havent been do come visit.. but be careful of the bunnies.. they are ferocious!

jokay Wollongong: lolz

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Pathlandia… full of good items I’ve mercilessly borrowed for my build šŸ™‚

Spiral Theas: Me too, Iggy.

Kali Pizzaro: PL; then the blog began and before i knew it i had started

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: those rabbits are dynamite

Spiral Theas: I love the ship.

Kali Pizzaro: to get more interested

Kaseido Quandry waves at Chimeracool

Chimeracool Burner: hiya!

Kali Pizzaro: PL: and saw that their was a lot of interesting stuff going in with RG and we got talking and hey I got a job

jokay Wollongong: Hey Miss Chim šŸ˜‰

Kali Pizzaro: wee paraphrase there

Kali Pizzaro: šŸ˜‰

Kaseido Quandry: that sounds right

Eren Padar: / ā—•ā€æā—•

Eren Padar: / That pretty much wot he said. LOL

Kali Pizzaro: PL: more and more educators started to get into OS

Kali Pizzaro: and RG allows grid ownership

Kali Pizzaro: so this made me think about the hypergrid

jokay Wollongong: Here here.. the Hypergrid is metaverse changing

Kali Pizzaro: woop Diva

Angelle Marquette: Hey! Bevan !

Kali Pizzaro: PL; so here i am

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: A few questions

Eren Padar: / Hypergrid will be awesome if they can ever solve the severe security issues.

Bevan Whitfield: hi Angelle! hi everyone!

Angelle Marquette: Hey!

Bau Ur: Yay Kali. It’s not easy.

Kali Pizzaro: bows

Bau Ur: Yay Iggy.

Eren Padar: / Hooo transcribers!

Profdan Netizen: But Kali makes it look easy!

Kali Pizzaro: and rubs fingers

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: we martyrs are repeating the speakers for the transcripts

VWER Dec. 12, 2010

Eren Padar: / LOL

Eren Padar: / Yeah sukt bigtime AJ

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: At LL, you were “an evangelist” and that idea is tied to community. I’m seeing a theme. So an observation. When you left Linden Lab, I felt that community was leaving SL with your departure.

JimEd Monday: /says hi to Zotarah

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: at least the emphasis on community. So why is community so important to you?

Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Jim

Eren Padar: / Pathfinder always onna my favorites. Was shocked when he gone from LL. I wondered WHY WHY WHY??? ;D

Angelle Marquette: Hello, Jim

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Yay for meatspace

Kali Pizzaro: PL: mm good question. i think it is because i am not a transhuminist

Kali Pizzaro: my background is in neurology so my

Kali Pizzaro: interest in the human mind

Kali Pizzaro: i think tech can enhance the human

Kali Pizzaro: sharing, knowledge

AJ Brooks: Post your questions for John, or vote on the questions that are already posted –

Kali Pizzaro: PL; how the tech connects us not separate us

Kali Pizzaro: so community is very important

Kali Pizzaro: to that

Bau Ur: Alas. For LL to abandon the special commitment to nonprofits and education…and “using SL to make RL better”….was painfully represented in the dismissal of Pathfinder and others. Claudia, Blue, George….bah.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Community and your dedication to it makes a difference

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: It’s tough NOT to ask you about Linden Lab….

Chimeracool Burner: maybe there is an NDA – who knows ? šŸ˜‰

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: When you were there, were you the community builder or were you the one our community saw?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Lots of things have changed…Teen Grid, pricing for edu, and more. Was community dropped along the way?

Eren Padar: / I betting 10 to 1 Pathfinder fighted for EDU

Kali Pizzaro: PL: mmm well a company is a community

Luisa Bourgoin: setting of people seems to be the most significant failure mode of modern times

Kali Pizzaro: PL; communities and conversations change

Kali Pizzaro: I was one in many

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We miss Robin too….

Bau Ur: Robin.

Eren Padar: / Yesh Ignatius

Kali Pizzaro: robin, blue, claudia

Zotarah Shepherd: I still miss them.

Eren Padar: / Robin and Pathfinder was always on “front lines”

Kali Pizzaro: PL: I felt we need to get the message out

AJ Brooks: Post your questions for John, or vote on the questions that are already posted –

Ignatius Onomatopoeia sits on his hands about LL’s focus

Kali Pizzaro: the lab will focus on what it wants

Kali Pizzaro: I have no idea

Kali Pizzaro: what that is

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: SO, you did not touch your computer for a while?

Chimeracool Burner: whoa

Kali Pizzaro: PL: yeah i unplugged it

VWER Dec. 12, 2010

Chimeracool Burner: talk about Cold Turkey

Eren Padar: / LOL Pathfinder UNPLUGGED! Dat takes guts. I totally applauds. ā—•ā€æā—•

Kali Pizzaro: was that your lif support turned oof John

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: What was going through your head as you left it off?

Eren Padar: / I think AJ in shock. ā—•ā€æā—•

Kali Pizzaro: PL; I did not want to just stay oin VW for the sake of it.

Eren Padar: / I totally understand. Sometimes unplugging helps get head on straight.

Kali Pizzaro: so let’s see what happens if i turn off my tech

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: hey! Trac Phones rule šŸ™‚

Kali Pizzaro: computer, smartphone

Chimeracool Burner: whoa

jokay Wollongong: *shudders*… lolz

Eren Padar: / Luvs month by month phones. Mine costs me $5 a month. LOL

Bau Ur: A very contemplative approach to job loss and career decisions.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: this is a great example of Rheingold’s “Techno Selective”

Kali Pizzaro: PL; But i got pulled back but in a good way

Eren Padar: / Is Bau, yeah.

Teachergirl Razor: smile Igggy

Ignatius Onomatopoeia owns no phone except the Trac facebook either!

Kali Pizzaro: PL; then the plug went back in šŸ˜‰

Eren Padar: / Only way to get away… is to get away.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: We started paying attention to your Tweets, then you spoke at SLCC

Profdan Netizen: Only Zuckerberg owns Facebook, Iggy!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Then you announced your Blog, “Be Cunning and Full of Tricks”

Eren Padar: / no, get him to talks out of school. ;D

Ignatius Onomatopoeia:

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: How did your perspective change between Chicago and SLCC in Boston?

AJ Brooks: Post your questions for John, or vote on the questions that are already posted –

Kali Pizzaro: PL: well first i was invited and i thought mmm. i will go i have to. boston great

Eren Padar: / SLCC was fun. Total Propaganda… but fun. ā—•ā€æā—•

Chimeracool Burner: Even Prok went heheh

Kali Pizzaro: PL: lastly well i already had thought about the blog

Eren Padar: / LOL yeah Chim. Saw here. She was EXACTLY like I pictured her in my mind. LOL

Kali Pizzaro: so here is a chance to share my perspective

Eren Padar: / *her

Bau Ur: šŸ™‚ Prok. Heheh. Such an unhappy person.

Eren Padar: / yeah, sigh. I pitties.

Kali Pizzaro: PL: i approached it with the idea to share my ideas and then wehn i got to the presentation

Ignatius Onomatopoeia sits on his hands and recalls how he publishes every mean IM Prok sends him

Kali Pizzaro: i showed a video of watership down

Eren Padar: / ouch. You must publish a LOT. mwahhaahahahaaa

Kali Pizzaro: and how the rabbits involved into a community

Bau Ur: and i

Kali Pizzaro: so i thought he be cunning an full of tricks

Eren Padar: / I has *gotta* read Watership Down some day

Kali Pizzaro: What a name for a blog

Bau Ur: and “be cunning and full of tricks” was instruction to a rabbit leader… šŸ™‚

Kali Pizzaro: šŸ˜‰

Zotarah Shepherd wonders if there is a class in cunningness and tricks.

Kali Pizzaro: PL; the rest is history

Kali Pizzaro: hehe

Eren Padar: / Now me, I’d rather people be cunning and full of honesty and integrity. But cunning and full of tricks can be fun.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Does the name “Cunning and Full of Tricks” imply something bad?

Profdan Netizen: Trickster.

Angelle Marquette:

Ignatius Onomatopoeia reminds AJ to study trickster figures šŸ™‚

Eren Padar: / I has to say… I think LL been way too “cunning and fulla tricks”. I not likes that much.

Kali Pizzaro: PL; yeah i thought of that

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Have you thought of the implications of the name?

Bau Ur: Hey “cunning and full of tricks” is “resourceful”. It’s instructions to a prey animal, not a predator.

Kali Pizzaro: but then i thought no the context of how that phrase is used in watership down

Eren Padar: / but “cunning and fulla tricks” not bothers me when it Pathfinder saying it.

Kali Pizzaro: is that the deck is against you so sometimes you need to be cunning

AJ Brooks: Post your questions for John, or vote on the questions that are already posted –

Zotarah Shepherd: Cleaver and resourceful

Kali Pizzaro: and full of tricks

Bau Ur: adaptive

Eren Padar: / yeah exactly Zotarah, Bau

Kali Pizzaro: woo i need to get that right or there could be trouble

Kali Pizzaro: think about it

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL Path…they are not as cool as we are šŸ™‚

Kali Pizzaro: PL; so why has VWs not taken off

Chimeracool Burner: funner than Facebook

Kali Pizzaro: is it not as intuitive

Bau Ur thinks of the clever workarounds that scriptors use to get around the clunkiness of LSL and do wonderful things….the bizarre solutions that the Mentors always found to strange glitches and bugs.

Gramma Fiddlesticks: and NOT as “hard’ as some folks think either.

Kali Pizzaro: PL; so i am trying to move it forward

Eren Padar: / it is a good blog title. Catches attention

Ignatius Onomatopoeia grins and passes Faulkner’s “Hamlet” trilogy over

Kali Pizzaro: PL: it is a challenge but the title says maybe here is how to face those challenges

AJ Brooks: Post your questions for John, or vote on the questions that are already posted –

Grizzla Pixelmaid is grateful she can hear the voice chat now

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: first question from Wayfinder

Angelle Marquette: Yah , Gizzla !

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: “I gotta ask cos total curious: “Why Reaction Grid and not elsewhere (specifically Inworldz, for example).” What attracted you to RG? : )”

jokay Wollongong: Woot woot Reaction Grid.. they rock šŸ˜‰

Kali Pizzaro: PL: well first of all all the different companies are doing great stuff

Eren Padar: / I likes ALL the grids. Diversity is spice of life.

Kali Pizzaro: inworld is doing a great job but are all focusing on different things which is great

Grizzla Pixelmaid: I would like to like all the grids but I keep getting kicked out.

jokay Wollongong: agrees.. .i’m excited to see the diversity in opensim land.. its exciting to be a part of it

Kali Pizzaro: PL; for me it was just finding a fit for me

Eren Padar: / Wow, a totally honest statement. “Inworldz is better than SL in many ways. Healthy ecosystem is diverse.” Expected NOTHING LESS from old friend Pathfinder. (friend of everyone, not just me).

Kali Pizzaro: PL; i clicked with the folks from RG

VWER Dec. 12, 2010

Bau Ur: “All the world will be your enemy, Prince of a Thousand enemies. And when they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you; digger, listener, runner, Prince with the swift warning. Be cunning, and full of tricks, and your people will never be destroyed.”

ā€” the creator’s instructions to the primal Rabbit; Richard Adams in the book Watership Down

Kali Pizzaro: they sent me a message about community being important

Eren Padar: / I likes both RG and Inworldz. They have different goals, but two GOOD companies.

Kali Pizzaro: they have a number of platforms and research in robotics

Kali Pizzaro: PL; that reached me

Kali Pizzaro: i am a happy chappy

Kali Pizzaro: šŸ˜‰

Eren Padar: / I luvs underdog companies.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Yes, RG is an amazing group

You decline GRIDwrap 3pm slt Mon & Thurs Somnolenta Sea (64, 100, 24) from A group member named Tessa Harrington.

Eren Padar: / Our group went with Inworldz cos it had the power we needed, and we really like the folks. But RG has the gutz to be total PG; gotta respect that in an EDU environment.

Eren Padar: / HI Grizzla.ā—•

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: I try not to take sides in VWER. I see it as a media outlet, so I hesitate to be so effusive about our experience with the folks at RG

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Iggy’s Question is “Tell us how you think Hypergridding will change VWs in education.”

Eren Padar: / Hypergrid will teach education the difference between dreams and SECURITY! MWHAAHHAAHAAHAHAAAAAAA <– ebil laugh

Kali Pizzaro: PL: great question. hypergriding is a protocol which allows jumping from grid to grid

Kali Pizzaro: PL: with your avatar

Eren Padar: / Pathfinder got it right. Hypergrid rocks in concept, but needs security. I looking forward to evolvement.

AJ Brooks: last chance to post a question. Post your questions for John, or vote on the questions that are already posted –

Kali Pizzaro: there is still some security issues but these are being addressed

Chimeracool Burner: It’s about options

Chimeracool Burner: We love leasing just one sim from Jokay

Kali Pizzaro: PL: the chance to own there own grids and how folk move between is amazing

Chimeracool Burner: and she leases from Reaction Grid, so it’s all in the family šŸ˜‰

Kali Pizzaro: their

Eren Padar: / Exactly Chimera. The OPTIONS is so extremely REFRESHING. Is like a breath of fresh air.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: right on

Kali Pizzaro: PL: the more you start talking about it it is the internet

jokay Wollongong: Agree Chim.. its about a range of diff options that suit diff applications

Kali Pizzaro: PL: this kind of interconnection is fantastic

Teachergirl Razor: Would be wonderful internationally for servers to be local — given the difference in governmental policy

Eren Padar: / Our group was on RG then switched to INworldz cos we needed groups & coalesced inventory and economy and power. But still loves concept of Reaction Grid. They are friendly people. So is Inworldz. Two of best companies

Kali Pizzaro: the ability for complete control is explosive

Luisa Bourgoin: will SL join into the HG networks?

jokay Wollongong: 70

jokay Wollongong: and 870ish residents

Chimeracool Burner: including us heheh

VWER Dec. 12, 2010

Eren Padar: I hear good things about Jokay Grid too.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: wow…

Kali Pizzaro: PL: jokay woo

Kali Pizzaro: woop for Jokay

Kali Pizzaro: bows

Eren Padar: / CONGRATS JOKAY!!!!! Takes gutz.

Chimeracool Burner: some of us rent on Jokaydiagrid AND Jokaydia in SL

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Eren, hop over and come visit my sim, Nevermore…Poe immersive edu

Chimeracool Burner: Jokay is an oldbie heheh

Kaseido Quandry: and some of us are looking very seriously at doing so šŸ™‚

Eren Padar: / Ohhh will do.

jokay Wollongong: lolz.. .hey! she called me old! lmao

Phoenix Gerhadsen: I love Nevermore – where should I go exactly?

Chimeracool Burner: We are waiting for you Kas!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: want to ask a followup but first some housekeeping

Eren Padar: / I luvs all the worlds. I still explores SL. Luvs SL for exploring. But my home on Inworldz.

Kali Pizzaro: PL: the chance to have that hypergrid form grid to grid amazing

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: next week, Olivia will moderate our meeting on “virtual resolutions”

Hattie Haystack: woo hoo!!

Chimeracool Burner: no! Oldbie is better than Newbie in this lingo Jokay

Grizzla Pixelmaid: oooo fun fun fun

Kaseido Quandry: Probably going to do it, Chimera – we’re just shoveling the logistical stables first šŸ™‚

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: following week, Olivia will moderate an open forum and then a holiday party!

Chimeracool Burner: not about age at all hahahh

Chimeracool Burner: yay!

Eren Padar: / I tell you what I think impressive… that we are able to discuss RG, and IZ, and OS and HG on SL. Whole industry is changing.

Chimeracool Burner: will be cool

Delenn Daines: sorry, what did aj say is the date of the party?

Kaseido Quandry: whoa, great lineup!

Angelle Marquette: Thank you AJ and Pathfinder. Excellent !

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: January 6th: panel will talk about future of VWs….

Kali Pizzaro: lol

Eren Padar: / LOL

Chimeracool Burner winds watch…

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Holiday Party is 12/23

Eren Padar: / OVERTIME! ;D

Grizzla Pixelmaid: I can finally listen. Keep going.

Kali Pizzaro: eh

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: To my followup

Olivia Hotshot: Yes be sure to come to the holiday party! The place will be jumping – live music and lots of fun!

Angelle Marquette: Thank you, Stylianos !

Delenn Daines: Olivia, when is the party?

Olivia Hotshot: 12/23

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: A concern. Faculty member here, say, teaching Spanish. Sends her students out to other Spanish-speaking regions.

Delenn Daines: thanks olivia!

Olivia Hotshot: welcome! =)

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: They keep logs, take pics, etc. Those experiences can be created in OpenSim, but there’s a problem: how do we find community and content over there in OpenSim?

Profdan Netizen: We need a 3D Google.

Eren Padar: / we need a centralized index of everyone, with a synopsis of purpose and theme

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Has anyone begun a content catalog?

Grizzla Pixelmaid: Isn’t that sort of what the CLIVE Safaris are trying to do?

Olivia Hotshot: Yes, that is what we are doing at CLIVE, AJ.

Eren Padar: / Ohhh good paraphrase Ignatius. That gets right to it.

jokay Wollongong: We’re definitely talking about that at the moment AJ…

Chimeracool Burner: no reason they can’t go into SL too

Profdan Netizen: And five places you’re sure they can actually get to.

Olivia Hotshot: It is in conjunction with the HUD

Bau Ur: If ReactionGrid develops a Search instrument better than LL’s , it will *clean up*.

AJ Brooks: lol

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: What CLIVE is doing is in-depth. What about a short directory?

Olivia Hotshot: we are also working on a HUD for Open Sim installations

Kali Pizzaro: PL: good question its funny too flashbacks to the 90’s

Chimeracool Burner: all the web pages were gray!

Gramma Fiddlesticks: yep!

Bau Ur: Search in LL is glutted with irrelevant and gamed results.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Yep–I recall BBS as where to go

Profdan Netizen: Yep, or hotbot search

Grizzla Pixelmaid: LOL

Zotarah Shepherd: Like a spreadsheet of grids maybe.

Olivia Hotshot: yes!

Spiral Theas: Ah, yes. Good analogy.

Kali Pizzaro: PL; yahoo used to have a list

Eren Padar: / Glad to hear that Jokay. We were just discussing that last week. Wot we came up with: identities with 256 byte description sub-entries; no limit to sub entries; no photos, no sounds. Pure info.

JimEd Monday: Web is moving to apps now too

Zotarah Shepherd: A wiki?

Kali Pizzaro: PL: we need a google

Kali Pizzaro: šŸ˜‰

Olivia Hotshot: MERLOT is working on this with the HUD.

Chimeracool Burner: it’s pretty transitional like the early web

Eren Padar: / Is a TOTAL business opportunity.

Chimeracool Burner: not all grids will stay around

Zotarah Shepherd: Yes a big need

Kali Pizzaro: PL: there is a need

Olivia Hotshot: We are trying desperately to get people to add sims to the database

Maria Taffeta: wiki is good idea

Eren Padar: / Basically a SEARCH ENGINE with ENTITIES and sub-entries

Spiral Theas: Yeah, it’s all a moving target.

Olivia Hotshot: Thi sis WAY bigger than a wiki

Eren Padar: / pure EASY

Pathfinder Lester: hyperica is at

Bau Ur: Eren, yes!

Zotarah Shepherd nods to Olivia

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: great ideas for talking more about these topics at future meetings

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Q from local chat

Eren Padar: / Bau, we discussed it to “need” vs “wants”. And we came down to allowing people / group / sim / business entity headings, with limitless 256-char sub-entries. That would do the trick. : )

Eren Padar: / ohhh centralized addresses. Hooo

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Seems to me that SL missed the boat by making a walled garden…understand that merchants are wary. But could there be a way, ever, to bring in my avatar to SL?

Eren Padar: / I soooo want multiple-avatar inventory

Chimeracool Burner: but the account in SL is very mature, with a big inventory

Profdan Netizen: It’s a real issue when working with students.

Kaseido Quandry: omg yes, Eren

Eren Padar: / I want ONE inventory shared by MULTIPLE avatars

Chimeracool Burner: why would you give it up?

Chimeracool Burner: and give up SL friends?

VWER Dec. 12, 2010

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: (not AJ, but me): LL missed the boat to make the Marketplace multi-grid and the Linden Dollar a multi-grid currency

Eren Padar: / I refuse to give up SL friends, which is why my home is on Inworldz, but I *visit* my friends on SL.

Kali Pizzaro: PL: well my first answer is on the top question on moderator

Eren Padar: / No way I’m closing my SL account

Kali Pizzaro: i was laid off

Bau Ur grumbles fiercely about that whole layoff thing

Eren Padar: / Plus I still have 3 businesses here. I not writing off SL yet. ā—•ā€æā—•

Kali Pizzaro: PL: i sent an email out to let folk know

Chimeracool Burner: yes, no reason to give up old friends

Eren Padar: / But sure with LL would wakes up. LOL

Eren Padar: *wish

Chimeracool Burner: we saw Pathfinder’s email in the listserv

Angelle Marquette: Thank goodness.

Kali Pizzaro: i wanted to be clear so folks knew i was not leaving because i did not believe in the dream

Eren Padar: / Okay that was question answered. Pathfinder laid off. Baaaad LL

Kali Pizzaro: anymore

Eren Padar bites LL in the ankles

Chimeracool Burner: they were the first to hypergrid

Kali Pizzaro: PL: back in 2008 the lab was looking into hypergri d

Chimeracool Burner: Zha and them

Bau Ur: I remember that video. It was such an exciting prospect.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Yeah, I recall that interoperability initiative

Kali Pizzaro: there is a torley video somewhere

Kali Pizzaro: PL; they never went back to the idea

Eren Padar: / SL coulda been soooo great. Scuse me for being outspoked: LL needs to wakes up

Chimeracool Burner: I followed the progress at the time

Profdan Netizen: I doubt they’ll have a choice eventually, if they want to survive.

Kali Pizzaro: i think there is a way to do it without losing out

IzzyLander Karu heard IBM pulled out of that venture, but that’s just hearsay

Kali Pizzaro: SL

Eren Padar: / I TOTALLY agree Profdan

jokay Wollongong: That Torley video was why i started looking at opensim… so exciting that finally a few years later that opensim is ripe enuff for real use

Eren Padar: / LL either gonna adapt… or suffer

Kali Pizzaro: PL: i would love a big talk between all the grids to enhance cousotmer

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: You read my mind.

Kali Pizzaro: customers

Bevan Whitfield: I suppose a few lines of database/scripting could take care of that …

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: You answered my Q about what will happen next?

Eren Padar: / Two ways to go: grids can be arrogant and independent… or learn a lesson from the World Wide Web

Angelle Marquette: You could just sign on as another avatar and hypergrid jump to yourself and hand over the inventory. The perms stay put.

Angelle Marquette: So if it’s no transfer, that will be the only part that will not work.

Eren Padar: / That’s the ideal Angelle, yesh.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: so. if you had to haul out your crystal ball….where do you see VWs in a year? Further?

Eren Padar: / What they need to solve… is the security issue of grid / sim owners being able to steal assets. That’s a big issue. Once Hypergrid solves that… BOOM. 3D web

Kali Pizzaro:

Eren Padar: / Go ahead pathfinder, make a prediction. It’s harmless.

Kali Pizzaro: PL: mmm well in the short term

Kali Pizzaro: how do we aggravate information

Chimeracool Burner: it’s like traveling to a new country – you have to do your homework

Kali Pizzaro: and how to include the community in that

Chimeracool Burner: and the more exotic the country, the more you have to do work on your own heheh

Kali Pizzaro: PL: how to research this

Spiral Theas: Right, Chim. Figure out your plan, do your research, plan a “path”

Kali Pizzaro: and how these environments are secure to connect

Eren Padar: / me… I think Pathfinder one of da Lindens always had his head on straight. Wishes LL had listened more to him & people like him.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: AMEN!

Eren Padar: / That a good point Shim

Kali Pizzaro: PL: look at amazon, netflicks, etc

Eren Padar: * sry Chim

Spiral Theas: Yes…”If you like this…you’ll like THESE….”

Chimeracool Burner: Google is still our friend

Eren Padar: / Amazon, Netflicks, Gevalia Coffee…. nahmmm….

Grizzla Pixelmaid: Oh that was fun!

Spiral Theas: Great story that was.

Eren Padar: / All three very progressive, sensible companies

Kali Pizzaro: i think there is a chance in ten years there will be a mix between augmented reality and VWs

Bau Ur: Yay Cubey Terra!

Chimeracool Burner: hoping it’s not how things end tho heheh

Chimeracool Burner: Cubey’s vision was pretty dark!

Eren Padar: / I do Netflicks & Amazon alla time. GREAT companies.

Bau Ur: I love everyone who made fun freebies for others in early SL. Such goodheartedness.

Zotarah Shepherd: Like on Caprica.

Kali Pizzaro: PL: i mean a bit of vw and augmented blended

Eren Padar: / Yaaah for freebie creators (the real ones, not the copybotted ones)

Kali Pizzaro: vai googles

Kaseido Quandry: another Caprica fan!

VWER Dec. 12, 2010

Kali Pizzaro: a bit of terminator there

Spiral Theas: Here’s the link to John’s story, that he mentioned:

Zotarah Shepherd waves

Kali Pizzaro: šŸ˜‰

Eren Padar: / tyty Spiral

Eren Padar: / wow fingers ded

Kaseido Quandry waves back

Grizzla Pixelmaid: But hooray too for artists who create wonderful things and need compensation for it.

Kali Pizzaro: PL; there is a lot of stories about this

Kali Pizzaro: ten years this is what i see

Eren Padar: / I think 2 years down road, we all gonna be surprised.

Spiral Theas hear ya Eren

Eren Padar: / Maybe even 1 year.

Kali Pizzaro: woop

Eren Padar: / Hard to types with 3 dwagon fingers.

Eren Padar: -*-*-*- A P P A W S !! -*-*-*-

Profdan Netizen applauses.

jokay Wollongong: Woot wooot! Well done John and Pathfinder šŸ˜‰

Olivia Hotshot: \o/ Path!!! Thank you!!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Every time we chat, I feel happy to have done so. You are an important part of our community. Thank you for being here today!

Kaseido Quandry: woot Hypergrid Adventurers!

Eren Padar: HOOOOOOOO!!!

Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you AJ and John

Stylianos Ling: thank you

Spiral Theas: Lots of fun!! Adventurer’s Club!

Bridge McMahon: claps for Pathfinder, thanks for all you have done and do!

JimEd Monday: Thanks for being here Pathfinder – it’s always good to hear you talk.

Angelle Marquette: Yeah !!!!

Kali Pizzaro: PL; cheers it was fun oh i need to plug my hypergrid adventurer group

Grizzla Pixelmaid: If I can keep from getting kicked off Reaction Grid, I’ll join you all. šŸ™‚

Eren Padar: / Ohhh wot is Adventurer’s Club?

Maria Taffeta: Been on one HGAc trip

Kali Pizzaro: PL; come and join us the home is in joykadia grid in pathlandiahtt

Angelle Marquette:

Kali Pizzaro: go to the grid and get the next jump

Olivia Hotshot slips out past security and scrams for home

Eren Padar: / See… dat why Pathfinder so fun. He a FAN first, gridtech second.

Kali Pizzaro: and i do office hours for my sins in RG too

jokay Wollongong: Yes… come play with us on the Hypergrid! Always fun…


Eren Padar: -*-*-*- A P P A W S !! -*-*-*-

Bau Ur:

Spiral Theas: Thanks, John!!

Spiral Theas: Great job.

Kali Pizzaro: thanks John

Kali Pizzaro: woop

Profdan Netizen: That would be cool, AJ.

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