Dec. 30 2010: What Do You Think Will Happen in Virtual Worlds in 2011?

December 30th, 2010 | Posted by iggy in Transcripts

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Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable December 30, 2010

Topic: “What Do You Think Will Happen in Virtual Worlds in 2011?

Photos by Iggy. Join our VWER groups at Flickr and Koinup to add your own pictures!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hi everyone, and welcome to our weekly Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: If you are sitting in the amphitheater seats, we ask you to come down and join us around the roundtable. There is always an empty seat closest to the ramp.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Our meetings are made possible by the Office of Information Technology at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30 pm SLT for an hour.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Our topic today is “What Do You Think Will Happen in Virtual Worlds in 2011?” and it will be in TEXT CHAT only

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: That means NO VOICE today πŸ˜€

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We will use Google Moderator to submit and vote on predictions to discuss first. Here’s the URL to use:

Ignatius Onomatopoeia:

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and with this small a group…

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hi Zola!

Josain Zsun: Cuzin Zola!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we should be able to get to all the ones posted already

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Zola Zsun: hi i got my meeting places mixed up

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Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. πŸ™‚ It tends to lag things.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I’m Iggy, the scribe for this group, and I’m hosting today for AJ Brooks. If you’ve not seen the transcripts I run, you should check them out – they are a great information asset.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Why don’t we get started they way we usually do, by introducing ourselves. No need to wait, go ahead and type who you are, where you are, and your ties to education into local chat.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: a small but happy group–don’t be shy tell us who you are

Perplexity Peccable: πŸ™‚

Oronoque Westland: Roberta Kilkenny, Hunter College, City University of New York

Maggie Larimore: Nan Zingrone, Atlantic University

Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, Dept. of Rhetoric and Communication Studies. I’ve taught four courses with SL and will move my teaching, including the House of Usher simulation, to Jokaydia Grid in 2011. Just ask for Roderick Usher over there!

Jewle Rae: Barbara Tomlin New Mexico via Oregon

Oronoque Westland: and may I say that House of Usher is FABULOUS

Ashy Viper: Ashraf Al-Allaf, Leeds University, PhD Student …Sociolinguistics

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thank you, Oro! Labor of love

Pathfinder Lester: Pathfinder Lester (John Lester). Former employee of Linden Lab from 2005-2010. Currently Director of Community Development ReactionGrid, Inc.

Graham Mills: Peter Miller, biology teacher, Liverpool

Zola Zsun: Zola Zsun UTSA

Perplexity Peccable: Perplexity Peccable on most VWs, Patricia F Anderson or @pfanderson in social media, community manager for Wolverine island of the University of Michigan

Pathfinder Lester: I also blog at

Perplexity Peccable: πŸ™‚

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: a great blog, that πŸ™‚

Perplexity Peccable: it is

Maggie Larimore: love that blog, pathfinder

Pathfinder Lester: thanks!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: anyone else?

Wrenaria Antiesse: Kimmy Hescock, visual info designer (and sl developer), oregon state university

Josain Zsun: Josain Zsun, Middle School, Tucson AZ, Isla Sonoita & VWER

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I really appreciate the turn-out on a holiday week πŸ™‚

Piere Rhode: Piere, maths physics teacher in South Aus’

Josain Zsun: Only time I can attend

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: why we are not at home drinking eggnog today, Josain πŸ™‚

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Ignatius Onomatopoeia: anyone else?

Josain Zsun: Oh we can’t do that too?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We have four predictions posted so far at

Ignatius Onomatopoeia:

Zola Zsun: πŸ™‚ i am home drinking eggnog πŸ™‚

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I finished our quart the other day, Zola πŸ™‚

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: if you wish to add a prediction or vote on one there, go ahead

Perplexity Peccable: I’ve been watching improved avatar customization tech lately

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we’ll begin with those that have the most votes, but I think we’ll get to all today with the small group

Ashy Viper: are the Christmas songs still on or is it just me still feeling festive??

Ignatius Onomatopoeia has sound off now, Ashy πŸ™‚

Perplexity Peccable: ditto

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but we’ll see

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Let’s begin with a prediction I made, while you add yours and vote

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: “I think that a sizable number of institutions will downsize their investments in SL and will expand to OpenSim grids.”

Perplexity Peccable: yep

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I’m going to survey educators with a better survey than the one I did in fall

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I’ll do this in late January

Pathfinder Lester: cool

Josain Zsun nods

Arielion Clawtooth: I second that emotion

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: my first survey attracted some snark from my old pal Prokofy Neva πŸ™‚

Josain Zsun: Isn’t that his job?

Perplexity Peccable: surprise

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: What I anticipate is about 50% downsizing or leaving

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but I could be way wrong

Maggie Larimore: got to stay in that budget

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: our island is closing in Jan

Arielion Clawtooth: I think security is everything with OpenSim

Arielion Clawtooth: If they get that right they’re gold

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: what do the rest of you think, from those to whom you’ve spoken?

Arielion Clawtooth: that

Pathfinder Lester: Arielion, what aspects of security do you mean exactly?

Ashy Viper: Oh sorry everyone …I have to run …an important research issue has just come up!

Oronoque Westland: I am seeing a lot of people following through on their threats to leave SL or to downsize

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Areilion, my question as well. My stuff is all full perm and free to copy

Arielion Clawtooth: @Path behind firewalls, etc

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: take care Ashy and watch for the transcript

Pathfinder Lester: you can already run opensim behind a firewall

Maggie Larimore: Insight Virtual College just moved to a smaller patch of land in the Chilbo neighborhood and are having a sim closing party tonight for their sim; so I think they’ve made that move, don’t know for sure

Arielion Clawtooth: I know, that’s what I mean. If they can handle all those security issues, and cheaply, they’ll be fine

Pathfinder Lester: gotcha. thanks for the clarification.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so schools will be taking a “wait and see” approach, then? That’s Oronoque’s prediction which I’ll quote now

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: “Unfortunately, I think that many educational institutions and individual educators will reduce their involvement in Second Life and take a “wait and see” approach to other virtual worlds.”

Josain Zsun: I followed an interesting discussion about IT and lack of market controls earlier today.

Zola Zsun: a ot of people will take the wait and see i am sure

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Zola Zsun: only the bold go forward … yayyy

Zola Zsun: πŸ™‚

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I doubt my school will do more unless faculty ask for it. They are not.

Maggie Larimore: I’ve got a toe in RG and avatars in a couple of other worlds but I’m retail already so it’s not a pressing thing for me

Perplexity Peccable: the faculty have wanted SL to be easier, and they think of it not as a social space but as a tool

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Zola, I agree with you. But some pioneers get scalped, too πŸ™‚

Pathfinder Lester: i think schools will be doing a bit more than just “wait and see.” they may be waiting to execute on big plans, but I suspect many will be exploring other platforms on the side. even if it’s just doing something like running opensim on a usb key to test it out..

Arielion Clawtooth: I’ve heard that before “boldly going where no one has gone before..” :o)

Wrenaria Antiesse: we are keeping our SL region and dabbling in opensim

Perplexity Peccable: bop in, do yr thing, bop out

Maggie Larimore: but i wonder who SL thinks it’s customer base is, now that they’re trying to push education out

Perplexity Peccable: not much rich engagement

Oronoque Westland: not enough pioneering spirit among those who recently came to SL…they have one or two misadventures on an OS grid and are reluctant to stay

Zola Zsun: gotta take risks to move forward πŸ™‚

Perplexity Peccable: Yes, Oronoque

Pathfinder Lester: Maggie, I find it is impossible to speculate on things like that.

Arielion Clawtooth: Yes, a lot of fear of change out there

Perplexity Peccable: my fac who tried OS bad mouths it now and won’t give it a 2nd try

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Maggie, it seems less “push out” than “bottom line” to me. I could be wrong. We’ll see what the new CEO does.

Maggie Larimore: oh I know you do, but then what does that say about the understandability of SL’s long term plans

Pathfinder Lester: lol

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Perplexity, that may be like faculty who last tried the Mac OS in the mid 90s πŸ™‚ OpenSim continues to improve.

Birdie Newcomb: Do they have any long term plans?

Graham Mills: I think we waste a lot of time trying to second-guess them

Maggie Larimore: well bottom line would have been better served if it had been timed to fit with universities fiscal years and budget plans, then they could have collapsed the discount and kept the customers

Pathfinder Lester: Graham, i agree.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: True. I’m trying to look forward and not speculate too much.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: don’t forget:

Dabici Straulino: what are the factors which according to you would bring people to leave SL in addition to change in costing

Pathfinder Lester: better to simply observe what a company actually *does*….and then take action based on observed behavior.

Oronoque Westland: I think those schools where the Admins really feel that immersive education is a winner will test the OS waters, those where there was already reluctance or backsliding may see this as a chance to bail out

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and post your prediction

Perplexity Peccable: Iggy, that sounds right

Perplexity Peccable: it grows slowly

Perplexity Peccable: with a few passionate people

Maggie Larimore: that sounds right Oro

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Here’s one that I won’t post: with more academic publications, VWs will get more interest. Just like MOOs did in the 90s.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I have a sense that a lot more pubs are going to appear in 2011.

Zola Zsun: true i think

Maggie Larimore: true Iggy

Perplexity Peccable: VWs have HUGE impact & potential in health care

Josain Zsun: I predict LL will finally work on my 6 month old transfer ticket and Isla Sonoita will be relocated by CAVE sometime in 2011

Zola Zsun: yes, it is the area that seems to be using this platform more

Pathfinder Lester: speaking of academic publications, did you all see the new Journal of Virtual Worlds and Education just published their first issue.

Perplexity Peccable: oh dear, Josain πŸ™‚

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Zola’s prediction is also related to improvements that may bring in more users: “graphics abilities growing… more opportunities to show effectiveness of 3d virtual worlds due to the growing number of other worlds than sl… not long until VWs are like websites :)”

Pathfinder Lester: Josain, lol

Pathfinder Lester: hope springs eternal!

Zola Zsun: lol

Perplexity Peccable: Yes, Path – haven’t had a chance to look at it yet

Zola Zsun: i am amn optimist

Perplexity Peccable: was supposed to come out months ago

Birdie Newcomb: Looks academic

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: call them rascals by phone, Josain

Arielion Clawtooth: Yes, look how quickly the “hacks” of Kinect got spread. As folks on OS say “See what I did”? it will take off

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Maggie Larimore: I think eventually we’re going to have cross-platform teleporting; that would be super good

Perplexity Peccable: Maggie, that is critical

Zola Zsun: it will happen

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Zola, I’m a pessimist by nature but I’ve seen amazing changes since Windlight.

Zola Zsun: πŸ™‚

Birdie Newcomb: Windlight?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I can run SL or OS well on my MacBook with graphics pumped

Pathfinder Lester: Maggie, cross platform between what platforms? like between SL and Opensim?

Maggie Larimore: what’s Windlight?

Josain Zsun dreams of TP to Wally workd then Circle K then Home

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hiya Birdie! Windlight was the revolution in graphics that came to SL in….2008?

Maggie Larimore: like between SL and OSGrids and RG and Inworldz and and and and

Pathfinder Lester: Maggie, gotcha.

Zola Zsun: eventually sl will have to connect to other VWs or it will be empty

Dabici Straulino: In a german island where I have taken some training a year ago, they now have a replica of their two SL SIms in Metropolis (OS for German speaking) and they use a stargate to jump from one to another

Birdie Newcomb: Oh, shadows and such

Maggie Larimore: ahh ok Iggy

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: If you have ever used the advanced sky settings under the World menu, you are playing with Windlight

Pathfinder Lester: there’s already cross platform teleporting between different opensim grids

Maggie Larimore: oh okay Iggy

Birdie Newcomb: stargates too

Maggie Larimore: well yes Path, and that’s so cool

Maggie Larimore: but from here to there … hmmm

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: post that punditry:

Arielion Clawtooth: It’s still a little tricky though.

Zola Zsun: yes i went with the explorers, pathfinder

Pathfinder Lester: LL experimented with teleports between SL and opensim back in 2008. but the project died on the vine.

Perplexity Peccable: I remember it

Josain Zsun: Will whisper be viable VOiP or will Skype be the OSG Voice standard?

Perplexity Peccable: the project survived, but SL pulled out

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I’ll grab a few photos for the transcript now πŸ™‚

Perplexity Peccable: me, too πŸ™‚

Josain Zsun preens

Perplexity Peccable: pics are my thing

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: no one is gray today

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL

Dabici Straulino: For anyone interested with the experience of the german adult school – see VHS island and the manager Chiria Celt

Oronoque Westland: Jokay is testing whisper now

Pathfinder Lester: and they just open sourced Whisper.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: just one more at the Moderator page, and I think we have covered this:

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ’s “Linden Lab will stall in trying to progress its Second Life product and will eventually recognize the need to connect to the opensim universe. They will impose strict requirements for hypergrid connectivity, but the open source community will yawn.”

Maggie Larimore: it’s always nice to be in a room with you Path, you fill up my browser!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ is such a provocateur πŸ™‚

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Pathfinder Lester: πŸ˜‰

Perplexity Peccable: πŸ˜‰

Pathfinder Lester: I don’t agree with that prediction by AJ. I predict LL will completely ignore interconnectivity.

Arielion Clawtooth: AJ’s passion about SL reminds me of a jilted lover. :o)

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: That’s my guess, Path

Perplexity Peccable: I hate to admit it, but suspect Path is right

Zola Zsun: @ pathfinder.. till they have no populations

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Why would Blizzard open up WoW to Everquest

Maggie Larimore: jilted with insight … πŸ™‚

Graham Mills: I think the crucial thing is what we do with virIt’s a tough call — there’s other grids with their own economy now, not just SL

Arielion Clawtooth: Yes, His eyes have been opened

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I am covering InWorldz, also a closed grid, for Prim Perfect now

Graham Mills: lol, my chat got garbled — will try to work out what I meant <scratches head>

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it’s booming there…got greeted by mentors, met folks

Maggie Larimore: I like Inworldz, not crazy about Blue Mars

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I’ll try Blue Mars when the Cloud client emerges

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: why did you knot like it, Maggie?

Graham Mills: not crazy abt the current 350 MB download for Blue Mars

Perplexity Peccable: Blue Mars is not Mac friendly

Maggie Larimore: no cloud client

Zola Zsun: blue mars is kind of strange … only went there once

Perplexity Peccable: I made my av but couldn’t get in

Maggie Larimore: all that downloading and you can’t easily move anywhere

Wrenaria Antiesse: last time i tried blue mars it wasnt friendly, period

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hamlet Au’s pushing it hard. I do hope it succeeds.

Perplexity Peccable: πŸ™‚

Wrenaria Antiesse: had trouble getting on it

Maggie Larimore: great looking Avi but hey; I’d rather be able to get around

Zola Zsun: lol

Zola Zsun: yeah

Arielion Clawtooth: Like a race car without an engine

Josain Zsun: I crashed on my several attempts at Blue MarsΓ’ but I listen to it all the time

Maggie Larimore: LOL Ariel

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: speaking of getting around: I predict we’ll see vehicle physics in OpenSim for 2011 πŸ™‚

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I love driving my fake cars in SL

Dabici Straulino: InWorldz is very much like SL but to me the most limiting aspect is no voice, and hard to get a sense of what is out there. I do have a SIM there and will likely abandon it. Blue Mars is beautiful but not as easy to create as we do in SL.

Maggie Larimore: I have a Segway, how sad is that …

Perplexity Peccable: I heard the MICA geeks customized the physics engine for their OS implementation

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: hey, Maggie, none of mine plug in πŸ™‚

Perplexity Peccable: so they could have accurate space battles

Maggie Larimore: well it’s a fake Segway

Dabici Straulino: challenge with trying other world is how much time you can invest

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: that’s the way innovation often comes, from gamers πŸ™‚

Maggie Larimore: LOL

Maggie Larimore: that’s me too Dab, I have a lot to do here

Maggie Larimore: so I dabble elsewhere

Arielion Clawtooth: “Faux” Segway sounds so much nicer

Maggie Larimore: LOL Ariel

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Does anyone think we’ll see any big VWs fold, the way Metaplace did in 09? or was it this year?

Perplexity Peccable: it was actually part of testing the space orbitals

Maggie Larimore: Ariel

Perplexity Peccable: Of course

Perplexity Peccable: VWs keep folding

Maggie Larimore: like which? Perp

Oronoque Westland: if grids like JokaydiaGrid and VWERGrid succeed, they will be models for other educators to follow

Birdie Newcomb: Some will grow, some not, like any industry

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL Maggie. I do have a RL Mini and a fake one. The fake one needs no washing or oil changes πŸ™‚

You decline GRIDwrap 3pm Mon & Thurs Somnolenta Sea (152, 79, 23) from A group member named Tessa Harrington.

Perplexity Peccable: I am always surprised by which ones fold

Perplexity Peccable: I was surprised by lively

Perplexity Peccable: Lively

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Maggie Larimore: that’s what I love about my fake house, no dust

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Google did not give it enough time. But I bet they’ll be back.

Perplexity Peccable: I hope so

Pathfinder Lester: if any “big” VW folds next year, I’d predict it would be Blue Mars. from the outside, Blue Mars feels like a company burning through VC $ with no significant revenue stream right now. those burns can’t last forever.

Perplexity Peccable: it was nice to have a crossroads

Ignatius Onomatopoeia needs fake dust for House of Usher πŸ™‚

Birdie Newcomb: Has to have a working business model. I’m not so sure about rental as the basis

Perplexity Peccable: Path, I was wondering about them

Oronoque Westland: @Iggy, the ghosts might object

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Path, one wonders. Hamlet pushed the concert recently and the photo had maybe 4 people in the crowd…ouch

Perplexity Peccable: oh dear

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I recall that Suzanne Vega’s opening in SL had so many they had to be bald and barefoot to rezz.

Perplexity Peccable: I love Suzanne Vega

Ignatius Onomatopoeia too

Maggie Larimore: I had that experience at one of Path’s talks; crashed and had to come back with no bling and my system hair

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: So other than graphics, what other tech improvements do you think we’ll see in 2011?

Birdie Newcomb: mesh, is that server intensive?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia lights RL pipe and waits πŸ™‚

Pathfinder Lester: i really do hope Blue Mars pulls it off. the whole ecosystem of VWs will be better if they survive and grow.

Arielion Clawtooth: Hopefully with success and word of mouth there will be better acceptance

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: don’t know, Birdie. I know that learning the design tools is rigorous work.

Birdie Newcomb: And come up with a Mac client

Perplexity Peccable: yep

Jewle Rae: wayss & methods of pushing bandwidth will improve large scale ~ anybody attended CES 2011?

Graham Mills: A lot of people pushing Unity3D as well

Pathfinder Lester: i think we’ll see folks doing interesting things with Kinect and virtual worlds.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Mac client for BM will be the Cloud client…looks good from the beta I saw demo’ed

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Path, I’ve not followed the Kinect. What is it?

Pathfinder Lester: Microsofts console device

Pathfinder Lester: controlling things with your body and hands

Graham Mills: formerly Natal

Dabici Straulino: What do you think about trends to enter 3d from 2d browser like 3DExplorer?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: MS does good gaming hardware. Should be impressive.

Perplexity Peccable: very intrigued by Kinnect

Arielion Clawtooth: I have it. Very cool though not many titles yet

Birdie Newcomb: That I’m waiting for

Piere Rhode: Has anyone been experimenting with WII-Sl type interfacing, turning physical RL movements to Avatar movement?

Trebla Reve: BCI????

Pathfinder Lester: Piere, some folks have been doing that with Kinect

Birdie Newcomb: Might have to get up out of my comfy chair…

Perplexity Peccable: that is coming, but I haven’t gotten to play with it yet

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Piere, Hamlet Au has been blogging about that. I’ll find a link

Maggie Larimore: that would be cool

Perplexity Peccable: Yes, Birdie πŸ™‚

Perplexity Peccable: would be good for me

Pathfinder Lester:

Perplexity Peccable: thanks, Path

Piere Rhode: Thanks Path’

Maggie Larimore: thanks Path

Birdie Newcomb: Can Kinect read winks and grins?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: this is about WoW on Kinect:

Pathfinder Lester: just a matter of time before that kind of hack is done with platforms like OS, BM, SL

Perplexity Peccable: Any thoughts about Active Worlds? Or is that too last year

Graham Mills: I like the idea of small groups sharing a CAVE-style display with a Kinect

Arielion Clawtooth: @Birdie Not yet but the way it tracks gross body movements it won’t take long

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I have no time for WoW (thank God)

Pathfinder Lester: i haven’t been following anything with Active Worlds in years

Arielion Clawtooth: It’s spooky the way the camera follows you around and projects your silhouette onscreen :o)

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I wonder what will happen with MMORPGs? WoW’s growth has plateu’ed too

Maggie Larimore: doesn’t interest me WOW

Birdie Newcomb: Hmm (does it work if you’re ugly?)

Arielion Clawtooth: WBirdie Mine hasn’t broken yet!

Graham Mills: Oddly (re winks and grins) there’s a webcam gesture recognition patch for snowglobe

Pathfinder Lester: Iggy, well, a plateau of 12 million monthly paying subscribers is a plateau many folks would kill for. πŸ˜‰

Maggie Larimore: LOL Path, truly

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Maggie, me too. Building is more fun than killing monsters and I get to do the latter every Thursday for our face-to-face Nerd Night of RPGs

Perplexity Peccable: I’m intrigued by the effectiveness for education of the old style MMORPGs like Gaia

Pathfinder Lester: i think sometimes companies have messed up definitions of success

Maggie Larimore: there you go Ig

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: πŸ™‚

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you could teach economics in a world like Eve Online

Pathfinder Lester: success doesn’t always mean you have to grow as fast and big as Farmville

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Path, what do you think will happen to these social games that are easy to learn and play?

Arielion Clawtooth: Farmville ::Shudder::

Pathfinder Lester: unfortunately, that’s the definition of success for many VC-backed companies in silicon valley this past decade.

Maggie Larimore: I wonder how many VC guys actually use the stuff they fund

Pathfinder Lester: Iggy, you mean casual games on platforms like facebook?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes, Path

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I admit I’m kinda interested in Farmville b/c of our RL farm πŸ™‚

Pathfinder Lester: i think there will always be a market for them. but most likely not an infinitely expanding market.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I could see players moving to a new one b/c they master the game

Pathfinder Lester: already, companies like Zynga are also realizing that players get tired of them quickly. so companies have to keep churning out new ones.

Graham Mills: I suspect there’s a lot of thought given to user retention

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: like the virtual pets in SL..first chickens, then bunnies, now horsies πŸ™‚

Pathfinder Lester: whether or not that model is sustainable, only time will tell.

Arielion Clawtooth: ::Neigh::Whinny::

Perplexity Peccable: πŸ˜‰

Birdie Newcomb: One area of growth then, chickens…

Ignatius Onomatopoeia remembers to get out the old P120 and put “Great Naval Battles” back on it πŸ™‚

Arielion Clawtooth: S what’s the connection that would bring folks into our VWs?

Pathfinder Lester: also…comparing virtual worlds like SL or OS to things like casual games such as Farmville is a bit like apples vs oranges.

Arielion Clawtooth: So

Maggie Larimore: but it can give somebody a taste for VWs even so

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: True, Path, except your former employer keeps trying for the FB connection

Maggie Larimore: for the more complex ones I mean

Perplexity Peccable: What is BCI?

Pathfinder Lester: Maggie, true. good point.

Perplexity Peccable: I’ve missed that one

Perplexity Peccable: ah, Treva explained

Pathfinder Lester: casual games like Farmville could be a good “gateway drug” for more immersive virtual worlds. πŸ˜‰

Perplexity Peccable: not a VW

Perplexity Peccable: an interface

Arielion Clawtooth: I think those games meet (or overdo) the “something to do” question

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: coming up on our last 15 minutes…any more predictions to post?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia:

Perplexity Peccable: brain computer interface

Perplexity Peccable: been tracking that for folks with disabilities

Perplexity Peccable: very powerful

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: How about “What is NOT going to happen?”

Maggie Larimore: BCI for the disabled is fantastic; BCI just for computer interface is a tad Borgesque

Pathfinder Lester: good question Iggy πŸ™‚

Perplexity Peccable: lol

Perplexity Peccable: not so sure

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: SL will not fold, I predict πŸ™‚

Perplexity Peccable: there is this mysterious emotional tracker that has been creeping in

Piere Rhode: Have many of you seen the TED talk by Jane McGonigal on gamer motivations? It seems to me that there are messages there for what will work in VWs and in particular education inworld

Oronoque Westland: educational discounts will not be re-instated

Perplexity Peccable: I know someone who uses it a lot and is in SL

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: got that link, Piere?

Birdie Newcomb: Avatar seems to be a durable metaphor

Pathfinder Lester: I second Oro’s prediction.

Perplexity Peccable: Yes, Jane’s talk is solid

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: if so, post it

Piere Rhode: Ummm… one moment…

Maggie Larimore: yup Oro

Wrenaria Antiesse: SL customer service will stay just as crappy :p

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I make them live for the transcript

Maggie Larimore: hey sometimes they get it right

Graham Mills: Re BCI, see Mindflex @

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I also predict that we’ll see some growth in the SL economy as the RL one picks up

Maggie Larimore: I had a good experience recently

Perplexity Peccable: thanks, Graham

Piere Rhode:

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks for those links

Perplexity Peccable: classic, Pierre

Maggie Larimore: thanks everybody, my browser is groaning under the weight … LOL

Oronoque Westland: there will not be major growth in the middle school presence in SL

Piere Rhode: cheers

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I need to use the link on BCI for my new class on the history of cyberspace

Birdie Newcomb: I’m wondering, if and SL were joined, would we just be overrun and destroyed?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: no VWs used in the class, however, b/c we are closing Usher in SL πŸ™

Maggie Larimore: LOL birdie!

Maggie Larimore: phooey Ig

Birdie Newcomb: Uh, can’t type w-o-w anymore…

Pathfinder Lester: lol

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: oh well, we’ll try again in OpenSim in 2011-2012. The simulation is not ready yet πŸ™‚

Arielion Clawtooth: OS is Borg and Sl will be assimilated :o)

VWER 12/30/10

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Oronoque, I agree with you. I doubt too many middle and high-school teachers have time or willing admins to bring classes into SL

Josain Zsun: I resemble that

Maggie Larimore: LOL Ariel …

Wrenaria Antiesse: hahaha arielion

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: My wife’s district has very very slow policies about making exceptions for their filters

Josain Zsun: WB Lexi

Birdie Newcomb: The teen grid idea seems to be morphing, here and in other vws

Graham Mills: I’ve seen examples where SL has been used for teacher training

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and they are well funded but most of the hardware is not high-end

Pathfinder Lester: hmm…i do have a very positive prediction for 2011

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: YAY!

Pathfinder Lester: i’ll enter it in the google moderator thing now

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks

Perplexity Peccable: Thanks, Josain

Birdie Newcomb: But I think as long as old people run the show, they won’t grow

Josain Zsun:

Birdie Newcomb: old = 21+

Arielion Clawtooth: Old minded anyway

Maggie Larimore: I’m an old people Birdie; you mean old-minded

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Birdie, it’s often lack of time as much as attitude. We could not get Rezzable to understand that when we tried to link Heritage Key to VA’s standards of learning on Ancient Egypt

Piere Rhode: It’s probably going to be more likely that schools will eventually run their own firewalled VW servers as a way to train students (middle years) how to manage VWs

Maggie Larimore: that makes sense, Pierre

Arielion Clawtooth: Yes but will that cut off the community that makes VWs grow?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Rezzable expected turnaround for a pilot project in a few months. We needed MANY months, if not a year to set it up.

Josain Zsun: For those needing yet another Virtual World Educators discussion group:

Birdie Newcomb: Look at us, we emerge from our private gardens, for at least one hour.

Pathfinder Lester: ack. my prediction is over the character limit. lol

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: While we wait for Pathfinder to post his prediction, let me remind you about next week

Pathfinder Lester: trying to shorten it

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: our special first-of-the-month meeting in voice with a panel AJ will quiz:

Birdie Newcomb: next week, next year

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Ken Hudson (Kenny Hubble), Chris Collins (Fleep Tuque), Anthony Fontana (AnthonyFontana Chevalier), Jonathon Richter (Wainbrave Bernal), Daniel Livingstone (Buddy Sprocket)

ORACUL-Pure Lady AO (Oracul Animation HUD): Could not find animation ‘dz424-Typing’

Maggie Larimore: nice list guy!

Arielion Clawtooth: But that’s forced. In order for creativity to happen it needs to be more immediate

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: they will prognosticate about the state of VWs today πŸ™‚

Maggie Larimore: at least of two of my neighbors and heros on that list

Graham Mills: I think keeping the information and trust flowing across worlds will be crucial

Maggie Larimore: Fleep and Wainbrave

Birdie Newcomb: All pioneers

Perplexity Peccable: I like that, Graham

Maggie Larimore: true

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: agreeed. I expect more efforts like Josain’s to keep community strong will emerge as some of us disperse

Pathfinder Lester: there, submitted

Arielion Clawtooth: And our own Jokay and Pathfinder

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I spend a lot more time in OS now than in SL

Perplexity Peccable: hooray!

Perplexity Peccable: I have to figure out why I can’t get into OS

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Just accepted the invite, Josain. Thank you

Birdie Newcomb: I like that perspective, Path

Maggie Larimore: I love that prediction; SL as a training ground, launching pad

Zotarah Shepherd: Might be the viewer you’re using Lexi

Pathfinder Lester: the takeaway point of my prediction (just submitted) is that educators will realize they have become not just experts in SL. but rather, experts in virtual world strategies and tactics *in general*

Perplexity Peccable: SL2, Zo

Maggie Larimore: Zotarah, didn’t see you there, hello!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: here’s the post by Path: “As educators explore the wider range of virtual world options beyond SL, they will realize they have gained a great deal of wisdom and critical competency in virtual worlds in general during their tenure in SL.”

Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Maggie!

Birdie Newcomb: Hi Zo

Pathfinder Lester: and that kind of wisdom is eminently portable. and priceless. and lasts forever. πŸ™‚

Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Birdie

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Ooooh you said “tenure”

Zotarah Shepherd: I snuck in

Maggie Larimore: great prediction Path

Arielion Clawtooth: Like graduation from high school

Birdie Newcomb: The wisdome, but not the in ventory8=(

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: that’s going to be a sticking point for some colleagues. How can a tenure-and-promotion committee evaluate this work?

Perplexity Peccable: teh skills are transferrable, even if inventory isn’t

Maggie Larimore: that’s why I’m learning to build LOL

Maggie Larimore: portability ..

Pathfinder Lester: Perplexity, precisely!

Piere Rhode: I wonder if the planners in Sl have thought of promoting secure Sl servers specifically for schools to use (firewalled) for free as a way of “branding” their product?

Dabici Straulino: A great deal of experience indeed but for what is relevant to education, what about transferring this to corporate

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Maggie’s right. I knocked out Usher 2.0 in about 1/5 the time the first SL build took.

Maggie Larimore: so glad to hear that Ig, just in case I have to move my school someday

Arielion Clawtooth: @Iggy Is that because you had the experience or the tools were easier?

Pathfinder Lester: Dabici, i think corporate use of VWs is tightly coupled to education. corporate learning, corporate training, etc. i think those are the best applications of virtual worlds for companies.

Graham Mills: “secure servers” should like the Enterprise edition

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Heya Zo! the chat window blocks who is here now!

Perplexity Peccable: that’s what U admin would hear

Perplexity Peccable: enterprise

Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Iggy!

Piere Rhode: Enterprise as in incredibly bloody expensive

Graham Mills: and ill-fated

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We are down to the last 5 minutes

Birdie Newcomb: So do we feel good about the future?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: any questions or final visions for 2011?

Maggie Larimore: yes yay birdie

Pathfinder Lester: i think the future is very good for educators and virtual worlds

Graham Mills: I want to see more flexibility in terms of delivery — better mobile options

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Birdie, I feel very good about the future of VWs.

Arielion Clawtooth: There are more options than ever and options are always good

Pathfinder Lester nods emphatically at Arielion

Dabici Straulino: Yes and no. I do believe in the importance of the rich immersive envronment that SL and likes offer but more corporate environment turns to vast partc or teleplace which they more corporate like, too me more limited

Birdie Newcomb: The exploring of grids does feel a bit like my first days in SL

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I suspect, Graham, that a firm like Abranimations that has branched out to InWorldz will soon be offering goodies at more grids

Oronoque Westland: I think for those educators interested in virtual worlds the future (outside of SL) is many times more affordable

Perplexity Peccable: I am hearing from young folk (teens) that they find the VW interface a bit … old fashioned

Graham Mills: um, i meant tablet and iPad rather than inventory but that’s coming too

Perplexity Peccable: they are looking for more augmented reality

Maggie Larimore: that’s why we need that teleporting; doing the rounds of your builds could get pretty interesting with builds on lots of sims

Perplexity Peccable: merger of VW and RL

Maggie Larimore: lots of grids I meant

Birdie Newcomb: or browser-friendly

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Perlexity, can that be done in a world like SL?

Arielion Clawtooth: Surprised no one mentioned that yet. yes, Ipad friendly b the end of the year

Ignatius Onomatopoeia envisions an avatar rezzing at a RL meeting

Zotarah Shepherd: I like the idea of independent creator websites offering goods to OS that do not have an economy.

Graham Mills: Path is doing a great job with the HGAC on getting avatars to see more grids

Perplexity Peccable: I don’t know

Pathfinder Lester: Thanks Graham

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Let’s put in the HGAC link while we are at it πŸ™‚

Perplexity Peccable: but I am hearing that this is what the kids are looking for

Zotarah Shepherd: I so wish I had time to visit more grids

Pathfinder Lester:

Perplexity Peccable: πŸ™‚

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: by “this” you mean augmented reality, Perplexity?

Perplexity Peccable: Path, I’m still trying

Dabici Straulino: when will we see a universal avatar, with a passport to multiple worlds

Perplexity Peccable: Jokay suggested making an alt

Perplexity Peccable: yes, Iggy

Perplexity Peccable: Ar/RL blend

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Dabici, that’s my dream…with inventory of course πŸ™‚

Perplexity Peccable: VW/RL blend via AR

Graham Mills is reading Rainbows End atm — all v relevant

Dabici Straulino: lets dream

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: well, we are at the end of our hour!

Pathfinder Lester: Perplexity, oooh yes, that’s my prediction. but not for 2011. rather, for 2015 πŸ˜‰

Piere Rhode: great chat!

Perplexity Peccable: good πŸ™‚

Birdie Newcomb: At least a wardrobe

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I will box up the transcript and post it soon. If you have photos, post them please to

Perplexity Peccable: on the radar πŸ™‚

Arielion Clawtooth: thanks Iggy

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Koinup or Flickr groups

Dabici Straulino: great chat, ty, happy new year to all

Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks Iggy

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks to all of you! I hope you have safe and pleasant New Years!

Birdie Newcomb: Happy New Year all.

Arielion Clawtooth: Happy new year everyone!

Piere Rhode: Bye all.

Graham Mills: thx everyone — Happy New Year!!

Zotarah Shepherd: Happy New Year VWERers

Perplexity Peccable: Happy New Year!~

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: on we go to 2011…it’s been a good year for VWER

Oronoque Westland: Peaceful New Year to all

Pathfinder Lester: take care, everyone. good conversation. πŸ™‚

Wrenaria Antiesse: happy new year πŸ™‚

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: time to eat that leftover turkey stew πŸ™‚

Pathfinder Lester: yum!

Pathfinder Lester: see ya, folks.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: good night all

Perplexity Peccable: gumbo πŸ™‚

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