Jan. 6 2011: “Possible, Probable, and Preferable Future of Education in Virtual Worlds”

January 6th, 2011 | Posted by iggy in Transcripts


Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable January 6, 2011

Topic: “Possible, Probable, and Preferable Future of Education in Virtual Worlds”

Key points and links to them:

  • No future in SL for education, Ken Hubble claims.
  • AJ and Pathfinder talk about difficulty of searching OpenSim Content across grids.
  • Islands and institutions that are leaving SL soon.
  • Several speakers agreed that OpenSim will increasingly be the locale for education and hypergridding will expand.

Photos by Olivia & Wrenaria. Join our VWER groups at Flickr and Koinup to add your own pictures! Special thanks to ProfDan, whose backuptranscript captured chat on the far side of the amphitheater.

AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable Special Monthly meeting.

Kali Pizzaro: profdan will take anthony and wainbrave

AJ Brooks: We meet each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour.

Fleep Tuque: Me too! NJ cured me of calling fizzy pop anything but soda,. 😉

AJ Brooks: Our meeting today is a special panel interview, and the topic is “Possible, Probably, and Preferable Future of Education in Virtual Worlds”

AJ Brooks: The panel and I will be using Voice Chat for this meeting. Its important to please remember to keep your microphones muted.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Fleep…all sodas are “Coke” but Coke is “Coca-Cola” in The Old Dominion.

AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.

AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we do keep and publish a transcript of what is said in local chat. If you’ve not seen the transcripts, you should check them out – they are an excellent information asset.

AJ Brooks: The transcripts can be found at our web site – http://www.vwer.org – select the LIBRARY tab at the top.

AJ Brooks: Please do visit our site and send along any suggestions to me directly. You will find announcements, articles, and more.

AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable continues to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.

AJ Brooks: Please join the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable group here in SL. You can also find us on Facebook and Flickr by our full name and Twitter @VWER.

AJ Brooks: When you blog or tweet, please remember to use the hashtag #vwer (IM me if you’re not sure what that means)

AJ Brooks: If you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. 🙂 It tends to lag things.

Wainbrave Bernal: pound, pound

AJ Brooks: You are welcome to use the local chat as a back channel, but if you have a question for our panel, we will be using Google Moderator.

AJ Brooks: Google Moderator is a web based tool where you can go to add a question AND/OR vote on questions that have already been posted.

AJ Brooks: The most popular questions will appear on the top of the list, and those are the questions I’ll ask in voice chat.

AJ Brooks: Please note, the panel and I will NOT be monitoring local chat, so if you’d like a question asked, please post it to Google Moderator (and also vote on the other questions that are there)

AJ Brooks: There are URL givers on either side of the amphitheater floor and also behind us above the Montclair State sign.

AJ Brooks: Click on it and you will get a pop up asking you to open a web page, which will open inside the SL browser (you can also click to open it in a regular web browser)

AJ Brooks: Through this site http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44 you can ask and vote for questions. You do need a Google account to sign in.

AJ Brooks: Two more things before we get started.

AJ Brooks: We recently announced the opening of the VWERGrid. We held our first meeting there on December 1st, as part of the IndieMetaverse event.

AJ Brooks: We are taking applications to create an OpenSim avatar through our grid, from where you can hypergrid to an already large and growing number of places.

AJ Brooks: Details and the request form can be found here http://bit.ly/eMJCQv

AJ Brooks: Have you ever wondered what its like to moderate one of the VWER regular meetings? Think you could do it? Here’s your chance to find out.

AJ Brooks: VWER is looking for 3 volunteer moderators to lead lightning rounds for the January 13 meeting. Each guest moderator will have 15 minutes to lead a conversation about the topic

AJ Brooks: of his or her own choosing. Qualifications: Must be a VWER member either on Facebook or in-world and have attended previous meetings enough to develop a familiarity

AJ Brooks: with how the meetings are run. Interested people should contact Olivia Hotshot (Ann Steckel) with questions or a proposed topic no later than January 10.

AJ Brooks: As most of you know, my name is AJ Kelton and I am the Director, Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University in New Jersey

AJ Brooks: I’d like each of the panelist to briefly introduce themselves and then we’ll get started.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 41 on sim for transcript!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Panelists, introduce yourself and don’t speak fast, like a NJ wise-guy

Claudia13 Rossini: lol@Iggy

Kali Pizzaro: BS- i am buddy aka Daniel i work in uni of west of Scotland


Olivia Hotshot: ya Anthony!

Kali Pizzaro: and am involved in sloodle

Buddy Sprocket: thanks Kali 🙂

Jennette Forager: (Yay! Fleep!)

Kali Pizzaro: FT – i am chris collins and


Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: And Fleep did a great job with last year’s SLCC

Pooky Amsterdam: *applauds* Fleep!

Kali Pizzaro: am heavily involved in sl, os


Profdan Netizen: WB: Jonathan Richter, director of learning virtual environments at U of Oregon, chair of ARVEL

Profdan Netizen: and founder chair, Merlot.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: yay

Cooper Macbeth: Like the ‘yeah’

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL

Fleep Tuque: rofl

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: yay Canada

Buddy Sprocket: lol

Kali Pizzaro: KH- i am Kenny Hubble a guy from Canada


Cooper Macbeth: Over qualified.

Pathfinder Lester: Canada rocks

Jennette Forager grins.

Kali Pizzaro: KH- managing director of loyalist college

Pooky Amsterdam: Aplauds Kenny

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: this is the 3rd year for this panel

Jennette Forager: Horay for VWER!!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: last year, it was year one for us as VWER. A lot has changed since then!

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: SLER became VWER

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: NOooo!

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: Possible:

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: our topic, this time, will begin with probable futures for VWs.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: then we’ll move on to “possible” and “preferable” futures.

Buddy Sprocket: oh not me!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Buddy, tell us about probably future of edu in SL

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: *probable future

Kali Pizzaro: BS- oh started with me! probably seeing some of what we predicted last year

Kali Pizzaro: for example hypergrid

Kali Pizzaro: we are really seeing a big upsurge in this and

Fleep Tuque: laugh!

Kali Pizzaro: i quote from last year

Kenny Hubble: lol

AJ Brooks: Post questions or vote on questions at http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44

Kenny Hubble: I was going to quote Danny!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but it’s fast, furious, and fun 😀

Kali Pizzaro: ” LL needs to establish themselves for the hub for ohers or someone else will do it”

Pathfinder Lester: nature abhors a vacuum. nature tends to fill them. 😉

Kali Pizzaro: and they have not so this is not good for Sl in the future metaverse

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: oops that is the catch-phrase for “Savage Worlds” that LL borrowed

Kali Pizzaro: BS_ so with that and the edu discount debacle

Wainbrave Bernal: or does the vacuum abhor nature?


AnthonyFontana Chevalier: Probable:

Kali Pizzaro: Hypergrids will emerge

Grizzla Pixelmaid: The Google Moderator link takes me to a blank page. Any advice?

Kali Pizzaro: BS_ so i think more and more will go to Opensim

Pathfinder Lester: Wainbrave, 😉

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: anyone else want to chime in on that topic?

Kali Pizzaro: FT- i agree opensim has increased big time

Decka Mah: Grizzla did you log into your google account?

Kali Pizzaro: the edu discount situation pushed that on

Kali Pizzaro: FT- the os benefits of backing up is a big plus

Wainbrave Bernal: and in any case, “reality is negotiable and perception is rock solid”

Profdan Netizen: AC: agrees, last year economy, VW a way to cut costs. Interest definitely there for opensim.

Profdan Netizen: WB: agree, as well. LL pulled a boner, offending educational community, underestimated potential of ed market.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: other thoughts?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL Buddy.

Fleep Tuque: Do they have any feet left? 😉

Kali Pizzaro: BS- Ll have shot themselves in both feet

Trudy Takacs: Buddy is very faint – can he turn up his mic?

Kathryn Pleides: There are a number of us who haven’t been renting edu land in SL who are still vitally interested in how LL treats the edus and nonprofits

Pathfinder Lester: 😉

Kali Pizzaro: pathfinder hypergrid club does not include sl

Wainbrave Bernal: Go Pathfinder!

Kali Pizzaro: that is sad

Pathfinder Lester: http://becunningandfulloftricks.com/hypergrid-adventurers-club/

AJ Brooks: Post questions or vote on questions at http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44

Fleep Tuque: Yes Ken tried to take away our pitchforks. 😉

Kali Pizzaro: KH- i think that it is interesting that i called for moderation of our expectations for sl

Kali Pizzaro: KH- we were like teenagers and we were innovative

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Ken didn’t call Philip a “traitor” at least (not that I’d do such a thing 🙂

Kali Pizzaro: and this is still a very exciting time for education in VWs

Wainbrave Bernal: agreed: this is a very exciting time for education in virtual worlds

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: I try not to put in my 2 cents BUT

Claudia13 Rossini: (coughs)

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: I put in a prediction for Iggy’s meeting last week. Path and I disagreed about it

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: I said that the way I’ve seen LL’s action is “oh oh we gotta fix this” but then shoot themselves in the foot doing the fix

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: he did

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: but I don’t think he meant vws

Kenny Hubble: I will expand on that remark

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: LL abandoned interoperability efforts but they have a big and unwieldy world so the portal will be very restricted if they try again

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: Probable:

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: SL will see a new CEO

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: Blue Mars will continue to be unavailable on a Mac and hence, a large portion of early adopters.

(Iggy’s note: Transcribing did not permit me to add this, but a Blue Mars “cloud client” for the Web is in closed Beta now; it will permit Mac OS users to access Blue Mars. I’m awaiting a correction or confirmation of that claim from Avatar Reality.)

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: LL will continue to market SL as an “escape.” (which, combined with browser functionality and new age policies may grab new teen users.)

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: OpenSim folks will likely say “nah.” Anthony, thoughts on probable futures?

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: Open Sim continues to attract talented developers and (other than browser functionality and developed content) rivals SL experience by the end of the year.

Trudy Takacs: Rod

Olivia Hotshot: Versus the last who was a Game Player

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hot Rod Lincoln

Lulworth Beaumont: rather than a single company, lots of different organizations can take different approaches with opensim

Trudy Takacs: hared to hear

Trudy Takacs: hard


stiofainx Rau: well their front page s now advertising sl as a dating site practically

Kali Pizzaro: turn anthony down a bit trudy

Profdan Netizen: AC: browser access possible to bring new users in.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Fleep?

Kali Pizzaro: FT- i disagree a bit.

AJ Brooks: Post questions or vote on questions at http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44

Kali Pizzaro: i think there is still a future for education in Vws

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: I meant that we will get to see HOW the new CEO steers the ship

Chimera Cosmos: me too Fleep – I think that’s a very good use case

Trudy Takacs: Open Sim right now has even more barriers for introducing to new classes

Chimera Cosmos: networking for educators

Kali Pizzaro: FT- i feel like i facilitate educators in VWs but we need to reduce the barriers

AJ Brooks: 50 on the sim, for the transcript

Trudy Takacs: SL is still easier, as difficult as it is for entry, etc.

Kali Pizzaro: FT_ that are used in sl and the web

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep read that post at SLED from the architecture prof–students rejecting VWs b/c of no connection to social media, web, etc.?

Kali Pizzaro: FT_ we need to integrate the web and virtual worlds

Kali Pizzaro: but on a positive note i think there is still mileage

Kali Pizzaro: and education and opensim

Lulworth Beaumont: I think virtual worlds are all about events, whilst social media is a lower bandwidth and sometimes async medium

Kali Pizzaro: is still growing

Kali Pizzaro: FT_ so it aint going away which is great

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Thanks, excellent points.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: So why did I start with “probable” and save others for later?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Qs in Moderator tend to slant toward that

Chimera Cosmos: You’re makin it hard to multitask AJ 😉

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: .

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: Possible:

Kenny Hubble: headrush!

Cooper Macbeth: Does opensim = OSgrid?

Profdan Netizen: WB: futurist caveat: paradox, as tech advances, more and more possibilities of the future.

Profdan Netizen: WB: gone out of vogue, because has become so unknowable, predictionwise.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia likes that, Jon. Hawisher and Selfe’s “Prefigurative” times. We cannot redict too well.

Decka Mah: Who would have thunk that Facebook would drive computer uptake in Africa?

Pathfinder Lester: OSgrid is a grid based on Opensim, Cooper.

Pathfinder Lester: one of many

Profdan Netizen: WB: greater sophistication, greater context for how to us VWs in broad learning outcomes.

Trudy Takacs: education doesn’t need virtual worlds to be the darling of media, the top, most popular platform

Trudy Takacs: maturity

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: yay Ann!

Pathfinder Lester: speaking of journals, there’s a new one now. The Journal of Virtual Worlds and Education. http://jvwe.org

Fleep Tuque: laugh

Kenny Hubble: omg

Kenny Hubble: jon

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: “All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” We’re in teh second…

Pathfinder Lester: searching for a new thing to build up and then tear down.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL at Sauron ref..how appropriate for mass media 😀

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: right on

Anthony: “All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” We’re in the second…

Profdan Netizen: WB: media spotlight has moved on, the searing eye of Sauron.

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: If the truth is “VWs are the future”

Profdan Netizen: WB: greater sophistication, greater context for how to us VWs in broad learning outcomes.

Profdan Netizen: WB: many creative developers, interesting 3D learning opportunities, starting this year, begin to enjoy a greater evidence base of learning in VWs.

Profdan Netizen: WB: Gartner report in August, VWs at bottom of trough of disillusionment.

Trudy Takacs: we just need it to be easier and faster to be more accepted

Profdan Netizen: WB: now it’s time to show results, slowly inching up the cycle.

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: thank you

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: don’t let Philip have the Ring

Ute Frenburg: woot

Olivia Hotshot: hehe \o/ Jon

Dabici Straulino: well synthesized

Profdan Netizen: WB: another critical juncture, predict by inventing it ourselves.

Buddy Sprocket: well said 🙂

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Ken, other thoughts?

Kali Pizzaro: KH- how do i follow that. so

AJ Brooks: Post questions or vote on questions at http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44

Kali Pizzaro: i want to clarify

Kali Pizzaro: i said there is no future for edu in sl

Kali Pizzaro: not edu in vws

Kali Pizzaro: but tech is enabling us to do thing we could not imagine a few years ago

Kali Pizzaro: i think we are tried to

Kali Pizzaro: shape sl to edu

Kali Pizzaro: and creating some fantastic ideas


Kali Pizzaro: but we need to move away that we will do edu in vws

Kali Pizzaro: there are other options for edu, gaming and vws will overlap

Kali Pizzaro: avatar connect looks fantastic

Kali Pizzaro: and merges these spaces

Kali Pizzaro: the unity 3d tool is great too

Pathfinder Lester: Unity3d has very interesting tools for game design, too.

Kali Pizzaro: however, the community that has built up is fantastic

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 47 on sim, for the transcript

Kali Pizzaro: KH- so we are moving to what do i want to do and where can i go to do it

Kali Pizzaro: KH – so islands may not be the future but it might be a

Scottmerrick Oh: One tool in the toolbox

Chimera Cosmos: Have to go to a baby shower for a colleague so I’ll check the transcript. Great group of panelists AJ. 🙂

Decka Mah: but that will splinter everyone

Kali Pizzaro: selection of what do we think serves our purpose better

Wainbrave Bernal: phhhhhb!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: you guys are so smart! You amaze me with the perspectives you bring here

Scottmerrick Oh: lol

Buddy Sprocket: 🙂

Wrenaria Antiesse: hahaha

Kali Pizzaro: FT- i agree with Ken but for me i have tried to write

Chimera Cosmos: Hope there is a voice recording

Kali Pizzaro: a blog about cityville and sl

Kali Pizzaro: FT- i put in a line ” i think i let sl fail”

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Chimera, we no longer tape the sessions….no one to do it 🙁

Kenny Hubble: for sure amazing crowd of familiars – hello all

Kali Pizzaro: FT- this audience and group truly inspired me

Wainbrave Bernal: the SLED Community was a powerful force then


Olivia Hotshot waggles her bear ears at Kenny

Kali Pizzaro: if we start to split up we may lose htat

stiofainx Rau: i would willingly do it iggy if u wanna im me after

Kali Pizzaro: which is a shame

Trudy Takacs: it’s been fab

Trudy Takacs: I see fewer and fewer postings on SLED these days

Scottmerrick Oh: Well, the fact that we’re all sitting here illustrates that SL may well still be that locus point

AJ Brooks: vote on questions at http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44

Decka Mah: Yep

Kali Pizzaro: FT- however, the other hypergirds are great

Olivia Hotshot: the pioneers have crossed the sea, Fleep.

Kali Pizzaro: but i am worried about losing the community. do you agree?

Scottmerrick Oh: haha

Pathfinder Lester: but something key has changed in the past few years since everyone has started in SL. we now have new social media tools to stay connected, regardless of which grid we use. (Twitter, Facebook, etc.)

Wainbrave Bernal: a plum?

Kali Pizzaro: KH- the challenge is to create a virtual community throughout the grids

Josain Zsun: There are Groups available to maintain contacts beyond SL.

Scottmerrick Oh: “Change is.”

Kali Pizzaro: and there is some great connections which i dont think will break

Olivia Hotshot: once we saw virtual Paris it was hard to keep up on the farm – so to speak.

Chimera Cosmos: (Gonna leave Chimera here, but human is departing…bye all!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: interesting point you bring up. I’ve mentioned this elsewhere but in this virtual world, you can do a search and quickly find content in a field of study

Trudy Takacs: @Pathfinder but the time of keeping up with it all – and different groups migrating to different channels

Scottmerrick Oh: byebye human 😉

Kenny Hubble: Nice one Chico

Decka Mah: is it like the pioneers who crossed the wild west….once towns sprang up and spread, those towns became their communities instead of everyone being a pioneer

Trudy Takacs: I tink fractured is a good way to put it

Pathfinder Lester: Hyperica index. http://hyperica.com

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: It’s not let happening to my satisfaction for other VWs

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: I’ve not looked at the link Path just posted

Dabici Straulino: the search engine is a core instrument to take advantage of the offering

Scottmerrick Oh: Search is key, right? In all sorts of ways. LL spent lots of development money on that if I understand correctly

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: I fear that we lose the community we have in SL when we disperse to other grids

Pathfinder Lester: But we need a Google-esque system. something that automatically indexes things across grids. Good business opportunity for someone clever.

Pathfinder Lester nods at Topher

Decka Mah: Gridhoppers might be useful http://gridhop.net/cgi/gridhop

AJ Brooks: GREAT questions added so far, please do go and vote for your favorites

Kali Pizzaro: 20 mins left Aj

Profdan Netizen: AC: googlesque: we’re creating a platform where an economy can exist, where a google can develop; something that cannot happen in SL, looking to SL.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: to audience….post those links and they’ll be featured in the transcript as live links

AJ Brooks: We will NOT get to ask all of them, so vote for the ones you want to see asked.

AJ Brooks: vote on questions at http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44

Profdan Netizen: AC: opensim effort will continue to attract dev. talent, pushing the boundaries of what can happen.

Fleep Tuque: ROFL

Trudy Takacs: ha

Kali Pizzaro: KH- i just had a idea. i am going to set up a rental island

Buddy Sprocket: 🙂

Scottmerrick Oh: lolol

Fleep Tuque: hahah

Angua Ashbourne: too funny

Olivia Hotshot: like a senior citizens’ rehab

Trudy Takacs: with golf carts

Kali Pizzaro: for old Sl folk

Scottmerrick Oh: must have a drug dispensary

Kali Pizzaro: sunshine club

Dabici Straulino: the place for Canadian

Dabici Straulino: InWorldz

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: How many of you have a presence in another VW? Which ones?

Kali Pizzaro: KH_ we are still in sl and will be for a cuple of years

Decka Mah: Can the audience also type an answer to that

Scottmerrick Oh: 2squared life

Kali Pizzaro: but we are also looking at unity 3d and other Vws

Josain Zsun: http://bit.ly/e7dWHJ

Decka Mah: University of Southern Queensland starting an inhouse managed OpenSim grid

Ignatius Onomatopoeia applauds for Jokaydia Grid

Kali Pizzaro: KH- so we are trying to tailor tech to what we need

Decka Mah: institution and grid platform

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Decka asked…post your world into the chat

Cooper Macbeth: no

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: John, and you?

Trudy Takacs: @Josain, lately the google group seems more active than SLED

Olivia Hotshot: VWERgrid, 3rd Rock, Heritage Key, Reaction Grid

Kali Pizzaro: Vwergrid and our uni sopensim GCU grid

Pathfinder Lester: I’m mostly on ReactionGrid, jokaydiagrid, osgrid, francogrid, vwergrid. but i also am using Unity3D now.

Scottmerrick Oh: many many via ISTE SIGVE but ReactionGrid, Second Life, and our own new OpenSim (as of today) grid

Grizzla Pixelmaid: Have spent a smidgen of time in ReactionGrid & VWER – but having lots of viewer problems. At this point, SL seems at least more stable for non-IT classes.

Profdan Netizen: WB: SL on Clive and Eduisland, also on VWERgrid, Oregon group, open Wonderland, Unity 3D.

Olivia Hotshot: Unity is hot

Decka Mah points at the geek

AJ Brooks: vote on questions at http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44

Kali Pizzaro: you can pay him later path

Ignatius Onomatopoeia owns sim in Jokaydia Grid, but covers non-SL grids for Prim Perfect…try to do one per month

Pathfinder Lester: thanks Wainbrave.

Profdan Netizen: WB: really like Pathfinder’s hypergrid club, an excellent community model of connecting people spread across grids, to collaborate and explore.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Chris?

Decka Mah: Jackie see http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/opensim-hosting-providers/

Profdan Netizen: WB: we still have the problem in SL of not having metadata to find stuff, LL struggled a long time, much more complex with more VWs.

Kali Pizzaro: FT- the uni of Cincinnati will be here for two years and we have internal opensim

Decka Mah: there is also a consortium in the Carolinas

Pathfinder Lester: Go Ohio!

Kali Pizzaro: the ohio state has looked at creating a grid for all ohio

Fleep Tuque: (yay Ohio) 🙂

Graham Mills: I have sims on a USB memory stick

Wrenaria Antiesse is mostly on SL on our oregon state university region, but also on vwergrid and occasionally hop on various others to explore

Profdan Netizen: AC: Bowling Green a part of Ohio initiatives, in SL for another 2 years, and working on an internal opensim.

Kali Pizzaro: agree

Profdan Netizen: AC: cannot afford time to do footwork to explore.

Fleep Tuque: I would definitely agree on that. 🙂

Grizzla Pixelmaid: Us too, Dan

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Daniel?


Buddy Sprocket: Institutionally, still just SL. Personally, a few opensim grids, Opensim-on-usb, PS3 Home, City of Heroes, Lego Universe…

Fleep Tuque: laugh

Kali Pizzaro: BS- in sl in the uni but i am on a number of opensim

AJ Brooks: vote on questions at http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44

Scottmerrick Oh: We’re trying to do footwork at http://sigve.iste.wikispaces.net but it’s hard because so many of our members are, like you were saying earlier, involved with their own work(s)

Wainbrave Bernal: if we can get folks to shoot machinima of virtual learning experiences and post them to a common (read: virtual safari site) then it would alleviate the time issue somewhat

AJ Brooks: only one or two more questions will get to be asked, make sure your favorites are included

Kali Pizzaro: BS- legouniverse

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: @scottmerrick thanks!

Scottmerrick Oh: ㋡

Kali Pizzaro: and have been in most but sl and opensim will be my serious work grids

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: We have a Q from about the advantages for staying in SL as compared to OpenSim

Scottmerrick Oh: I think the major offering SL has is community

Wainbrave Bernal: accessibility, stability, better known

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: Possible:

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: SL in a browser + $50 Chrome netbooks makes SL in education a reality.

Decka Mah: same here

Wainbrave Bernal: still a public marketplace

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: btw, this island in SL is closing. We’ll renew the rest for one more year and see what happens in OpenSim

Buddy Sprocket: Uni West of Scotland in SL will expire over the summer… renewal possible, but unlikely

Scottmerrick Oh: Maybe it takes that, Al, for LL to wake up to the value of the educational market they’ve largely dismissed.

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: Kinect Xbox allows for SL (thru a browser) on your TV and perhaps REAL virtual world dance parties.

Profdan Netizen: AC: if SL in beta in a browser, and google chrome netbook around fifty bucks, changes use of VW, SL in edu.

Wainbrave Bernal: lol

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: SL in a browser means SL in a window within Facebook… seamless connections with RL friends in VW spaces

Profdan Netizen: AC: recruiting throught a simpler experience.

Profdan Netizen: AC: SL will be the platform that will do such first.

Kali Pizzaro: KH- i am using unity 3d in a browser

Kali Pizzaro: i say get out of sl and figure out the other stuff

Wainbrave Bernal: I want to take the Radical Middle ground


Scottmerrick Oh: How many innovators are helping others figure it out and how many are holding their innovations close to the chest in hopes of profit, that elephant in the room?

Decka Mah: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/12/kataspace-browser-based-virtual-world-built-with-webgl-and-html5.ars

Kali Pizzaro: FT- i think there is still some benefits of sl. Os is still not for the faint hearted

Grizzla Pixelmaid: I agree, Fleep. We’re having a tough time w that.

Kali Pizzaro: you need a robust IT dept

Lulworth Beaumont: absolutely ft

Lulworth Beaumont: opensim is alpha code

Buddy Sprocket: thanks decka

Scottmerrick Oh: clap. clap. clap.

Kali Pizzaro: FT- it is easy to shout at ll but they set the agenda

Kali Pizzaro: so if you dot have a big IT dept then sl still offers a lot

Scottmerrick Oh: @Kali Robust and cooperative

Grizzla Pixelmaid: Yes so true.

Kali Pizzaro: esp for a non tech

Profdan Netizen: Agreed, we will not get many to follow into VWs unless it’s stable and easy to use.

Dabici Straulino: Wow, Fleep, this is a nice nuance you brought there

Kali Pizzaro: KH- train for success are using jibe and they are having some great results

Kali Pizzaro: Kenny how much is that

Kali Pizzaro: ?

Wainbrave Bernal: and/both – not either/or

Pathfinder Lester: more info on the Unity3d “Jibe” system Kenny mentioned: http://bit.ly/Jibe_Summary

Kali Pizzaro: indeed wainbrave

Scottmerrick Oh: It’s also _expensive_

Kenny Hubble: those are all relevant points anthony

Profdan Netizen: AC: content that’s already here in SL, the world that is here, vs an entirely new space, is really important.

Buddy Sprocket: The educators that are here (including the ones here on this sim!) are the biggest edu strength SL has

Kenny Hubble: look at JIBE

Fleep Tuque: (The marketplace is very compelling! Not having to build everything from scratch. At the same time, you don’t OWN anything you make here if you can’t save it) 😉

Kenny Hubble: cheaper than SL

Decka Mah: that’s me BTW

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: Preferable:

Decka Mah: Decka Mah = LindyMac

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Lindymac asked about the impact of tablets and smart phones by students as preferred devices

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: will have impact on use of VWs

AJ Brooks: vote on questions at http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44

Decka Mah: Someome on the SLED list said they stopped using SL because of netbooks kids have can’t run it

Profdan Netizen: AC: believe that many analysts wonder why they’re moving ahead with google chrome OS. With VW in browser, much more accessible.

Kali Pizzaro: BS- the graphics power is much greater so tablets etc

Fleep Tuque: We got a tablet for my gramma for Christmas and when SL for browser is widely available, I fully intend to drag her in here to “see” where I work.) 😉

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: @decka true… but I’m talking about SL in a browser + a $50 netbook

Kali Pizzaro: but interactive 3d screens are not great

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: good point, Buddy–Google/Verizon Stingray has an serious GPU

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: neither are here today… but soon

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: this year

Kali Pizzaro: BS- it can be very frustrating to be in sl on a small screen

Decka Mah: becasue students might only have one device

Kali Pizzaro: KH_ do we need sl to talk to someone

Decka Mah: and it may NOT be powerful enough

AJ Brooks: this is so awesome, wish we had another hour!

Wainbrave Bernal: augmented reality and virtual learning objects are on the near horizon too. Mobile devices will be great for that

Kali Pizzaro: KH- if i am using sl on my iphone i am just talking

Kali Pizzaro: avatar connect will push things on

Scottmerrick Oh: A phone, for some at least, is not as “F”

Scottmerrick Oh: Fun

Kali Pizzaro: we will use a variety of areas to connect

Fleep Tuque: I’m pessimistic about Augmented Reality, though, at least in current implementations, it feels like I’m in NEITHER place to the degree I need/want to be.

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: i agree with fleep there

Profdan Netizen: WB: mobile devices are just starting, going to get more powerful and ubiquotious, augmented reality is on the near horizon, interfacing with VWs.

Trudy Takacs: is LL still running that bata with the web based browser?

Scottmerrick Oh: thank you for this, Al-man

Fleep Tuque: (I can stay a bit)

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: @trudy yes

Kali Pizzaro: Aj can you paste them in

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: We are running out of time but we’ll run on a bit if you can stay

Trudy Takacs: @thanks Anthony

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Oronoque asked about the future of all-age grids?

Graham Mills: I think we have to remember the hype curve as far as AR is concerned

Wainbrave Bernal: @Fleep – i see that…. but the use case and interface will improve

Decka Mah: Porn-free grids

Profdan Netizen: “What does the panel think is the future of “all age” grids?”

Ute Frenburg agrees.

Kali Pizzaro: FT- it frustrates me that i can not bring some of my minors in to show

Kali Pizzaro: the great things in sl

Buddy Sprocket missed chance to weigh in on AR/Kinect…

Kali Pizzaro: something about pixelated bodies in virtual worlds as if it is worse than the rest of the web

AJ Brooks: i am going to come back to it Buddy


AnthonyFontana Chevalier: @buddy I think the AR/Kinect and this question are tied in

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: together

Kali Pizzaro: FT- opensim might get rid of some of that

Dabici Straulino: now newbies have all skin-underware one fit

Wainbrave Bernal: yes – doh! – I should have said that too – and the Nintendo 3ds

Scottmerrick Oh: That’s the track we’re on in Nashville with our OpenSim

Kali Pizzaro: as i will have control – fleep

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: I want to follow up with one point

Scottmerrick Oh: What we really mean is that it’s more fun

Dabici Straulino: felt real

Pathfinder Lester: embodiment

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: We talk about how VWs are better than video or web conferences, but that’s also a danger for youth–that sense of presence

Lulworth Beaumont: very interesting aj

Profdan Netizen: AJ: sense of presence makes stronger connections and more of a sense of danger.

Fleep Tuque: ROFL

Pathfinder Lester: lol

Scottmerrick Oh: hahaha

Wainbrave Bernal: lol

Grizzla Pixelmaid: LOL

Olivia Hotshot: excellent point Kenny

Decka Mah: LOL

Decka Mah: KIdz rule

Fleep Tuque: No I still use all those tools constantly. 😉

Profdan Netizen: I use skype with students in SL.

Olivia Hotshot: VW are just another tool

Kenny Hubble: Exactly – our relationships are not virtual

Kali Pizzaro: BS – we dont always need to be immersed and i still se skype

Kali Pizzaro: BS- avatar connect will be like 3d skype

Grizzla Pixelmaid: Who is doing the Christmas greeting? Please stop 🙁

Wainbrave Bernal: virtual worlds as walled gardens to protect kids will be easier to sell to parents and school districts

Kali Pizzaro: BS- i think kinect will have more impact on vdeo conferencing

Wainbrave Bernal: yup

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: I think smart parents make smart kids

Kali Pizzaro: and microsoft doesn’t own the kinect so it will come to pc

Kenny Hubble: I hope there will be a kinect book, so I can read a 3D book (finally!)

Profdan Netizen: “What does the panel think about the future of augmented reality and how such advances might relate to virtual worlds?”

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: having problems with SL and getting a picture posted

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Path asks about future of augmented reality and future of VWs

Kali Pizzaro: FT- i remain skeptical of Augmented reality

Buddy Sprocket: (MS own kinect but not the technology… Asus have announced a system for PCs based on same tech…)

Pathfinder Lester: i dream of glasses. and then contact lenses. 😉

Kali Pizzaro: thanks Buddy

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: I have to run soon so I’m going to give my Preferable when I get a chance

Wainbrave Bernal: @Augmented Reality is still in its infancy

Pooky Amsterdam: but do you dream with your contacts on?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Path you are scaring neo-Luddite Iggy

Kali Pizzaro: FT- i think Ar will push our brains to far

Ignatius Onomatopoeia dreams of organic farming and checking ground-water levels with my smart phone

Buddy Sprocket: Good novel with vision of possible future for VW & AR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_State

Scottmerrick Oh: Attention is the new currency

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Part of my dissertation is about cognitive load and how much our wetware can process

Angua Ashbourne: good point, scott

Wainbrave Bernal: yay Brian Nelson!

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: My preferables are not predictions but rather what I’d like to see

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Scott what a great quote!

Scottmerrick Oh: Absolute attention is the new aphrodisiac (not my original thought)


Pathfinder Lester: we already have a fair amount of augmented reality. look around you. see all the signs and monitors, the symbols of language. all human-made meta-data, overlaid on the physical world.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: We reduce the amount of precognitive resources available with all this stuff coming in…can hamper learning

Wainbrave Bernal: @Pathfinder – yes! It’s a matter of UX design

Dabici Straulino: does exploring other options augment the demand for cognitive resources

Scottmerrick Oh: Tom Hayes, “Jump Point”

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: We can develop resources for dealing with it….easier for younger folks and may be a generational change

Profdan Netizen: AJ: cognitive load a big impact on learning for students. Younger people will develop schema to handle more infor.

Kali Pizzaro: Kh- skype 3d with kinnect might integrate augmented reality

Decka Mah: Lots of educational classes could do with some cognitive load especially inquiry and creation

Scottmerrick Oh: No you

Fleep Tuque: (Ken reminded me of Rainbows End)

Kali Pizzaro: ha

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: Preferable:

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: Mesh brings in wave of professional 3D modelers: animators, architects, etc… who see the potential of VW economies.

Profdan Netizen: AC: every movie a 3D world.

Kenny Hubble: @fleep Yes!

Scottmerrick Oh: bye all, I’m off to check on my 3D rl family ㋡

Fleep Tuque: My employees too

Buddy Sprocket: (Having this meeting just after CES starts is neat cos it allows us to refer to announcements like avatar kinect 😀 )

Kali Pizzaro: cheers Scott

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: LL splits the SL experience: browser for consumers, client for producers.

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: LL aims to recruit professional producers, who in turn pay for their own advertising to bring in consumers.

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: LL changes it’s policy to allow for content developed in SL to be ported to Open Sim

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: LL$ becomes the currency of Open Sim

Fleep Tuque: Horrible, really, to send our faculty “Come be a vampire” emails. 🙁 🙁 🙁

Kali Pizzaro: BS- iam gong to my bed

Fleep Tuque: Bye Dan so great to see you. 🙂

Dabici Straulino: if LL promotes escape, is it what education is doing escaping

Lulworth Beaumont: imo, currency will be separate from virtual worlds – much like it’s separate from the web

Decka Mah: Thanks Buddy

Fleep Tuque: laugh!

Kenny Hubble: lol

Olivia Hotshot: Thanks Buddy!

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: lol

Fleep Tuque: Thanks Buddy!

Kali Pizzaro: thanks all for great panel and here is my prediction see you all next year not here

Buddy Sprocket waves

Grizzla Pixelmaid applauds!

Kali Pizzaro: cheers Buddy

Lulworth Beaumont: thanks 🙂

Olivia Hotshot: Thanks to the Panel! Great meeting today.


Wrenaria Antiesse: thanks Buddy 😀

Decka Mah: thanks all

Pooky Amsterdam: Applauds – great panel and should be more I hope

Profdan Netizen: AJ: questions will be responded after on a blog post.

Profdan Netizen: AC: disagree with Daniel, we’ll be here next year.

Olivia Hotshot: lets hope Anthony thinks more after that last thought

Kali Pizzaro: CT- i think we will be back and i think if the new ceo understands

Kali Pizzaro: that they need to be involved in the metaqverse

Graham Mills: i must get back to my usb key

Graham Mills: bye everyone 😉

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: haha – I mean we’ll be in SL not at Montclair


Dabici Straulino: very smart Fleep

Angua Ashbourne: I agree with that, Fleep.

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: and a BIG BIG thank you to Montclair State U for supporting VWER!

Fleep Tuque: laugh!

Cooper Macbeth: LOL

Profdan Netizen: AJ: Daniel is right, Montclair will not be in SL next year.

Dabici Straulino: so sad

Fleep Tuque laughs.

Cooper Macbeth: Maybe Josain can host this on his sim? Hint, hint.

Pathfinder Lester: Topher, you can already export anything you’ve created yourself to other grids. built-in function of many 3rd party viewers.

Olivia Hotshot: Don’t forget Folks, if you want to moderate next week’s meeting in the lightning round, please let me know!

Decka Mah: thnaks all gotta go bye

Profdan Netizen: WB: augmented reality and other mixed reality type experiences are difficult because of the mix.

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: @pathfinder but there’s a risk there

Fleep Tuque: Yay multiverse

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: @pathfinder it’s still against the TOS to use a client that does that. Am I wrong?

Profdan Netizen: WB: but the user experience will get a lot better in 2 years, with things like Nintendo 3DS and Kinect.

Profdan Netizen: WB: VWER meeting across a multiverse.

Pathfinder Lester: Anthony, risk of content “floating around” without appropriate DRM?

Kali Pizzaro: i would prefer at the bar in rl

Wrenaria Antiesse: lol kali

Pathfinder Lester: Anthony, no. not at all.

Olivia Hotshot: hehehe

Profdan Netizen: Agreed, Kali!

Fleep Tuque: No it is perfectly legal to export your own content

Fleep Tuque: We’re doing it every day. 🙂

Angua Ashbourne: lol

Cooper Macbeth: lol

Kali Pizzaro: KH- we can hold next meeting at k hubble sunshine home

Profdan Netizen: And a stability.

Pathfinder Lester: LL allows you to export your own content. as long as you are the Creator of all the components. all prims and textures.

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: @pathfinder so why are some accounts banned for exporting content using Meerkat?

Fleep Tuque: Meerkat is no longer being developed and it’s not on the TPV list

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: So you’re saying it wasn’t their content?

Fleep Tuque: so my guess is they aren’t compliant with the policy

Pathfinder Lester: Anthony, probably because they are trying to export content they did not create. when you buy something in SL, you are not the Creator. you don’t own the rights to bring it to other grids.

Fleep Tuque: But there are compliant viewers that you can legally export content

Wainbrave Bernal: I love when Ken gets to wrap things up

Kali Pizzaro: KH- we will use the tech that we need

Dabici Straulino: Thanks you all truly great panel and exchange!

Profdan Netizen: AJ: since year one, I’ve said that the people sitting up here are some of the smartest I have ever met.

Pathfinder Lester: I use Imprudence to bring my creations from SL into other grids. And I bring content I create in other grids into SL, too.

(Iggy’s Note: I have done exactly this, within LL’s TOS, to rebuild the House of Usher at Jokaydia Grid. Sometimes I have to upload the textures I made again. If you try to export an object you made but that has textures you did not make, you may find that it rezzes with a default texture when being imported to an OpenSim grid. Since uploads there are free, it’s easy to bring your textures to the new grid and make things work again).

Fleep Tuque: Great conversation again this year, I wish we had hours to debate these things. 🙂

Profdan Netizen: AJ: thanks, panelists!

Fleep Tuque: Thanks so much AJ for hosting. 🙂

Olivia Hotshot claps vigorously

Kenny Hubble: Thanks AJ for your commitment to VW ED!

AnthonyFontana Chevalier: Thanks AJ!

Angua Ashbourne: thanks for a great discussion

Wainbrave Bernal: AJ rawks

Fleep Tuque: And to all our transcriptionists and moderators, and the audience for great questions! 🙂

JeanClaude Vollmar: Thank you all!

Cooper Macbeth: Thanks everyone. This was awesome.

Profdan Netizen: AJ: moderator’s panel, contact Olivia Hotshot.


Kali Pizzaro: phew

Olivia Hotshot waves – contact me please!!

Jerod Bagley: Great meeting, thanks for sharing all these perspectives.

Kenny Hubble: it’s ME!

Kali Pizzaro: cheers all the folks on the panel

Anthony: @pathfinder back to our discussion… collaborator builds? not exportable correct?

Profdan Netizen: AJ: Feb special meeting, someone working at a major aerospace firm.

Kali Pizzaro: woooop

Olivia Hotshot: woo hoo!

JeanClaude Vollmar: Woohoo!

Fleep Tuque waves!

Anthony: @pathfinder builds with freebie textures?

Pathfinder Lester: Anthony, correct

Kali Pizzaro: me

Wainbrave Bernal: yay!!! (yay!)

Profdan Netizen: AJ: third anniversary, VWER guests AJ, Iggy, Olivia and Kali.

Wainbrave Bernal: wow

Wainbrave Bernal: sounds great

Fleep Tuque: It will be fun! 🙂

Profdan Netizen: AJ: Fleep as moderator.

Pathfinder Lester: I build with textures I legally buy outside of SL. or textures I make myself with GIMP.

Jackie Rexen: Thanks all!

Pathfinder Lester: thanks everyone!

Profdan Netizen: Excellent discussion!

Pathfinder Lester: wow, great panel

Olivia Hotshot: Bye Everyone!!

Fleep Tuque APPLAUDS!!!

Kali Pizzaro: take care all bed time

Wrenaria Antiesse: thank you guys – great panel 🙂

Anthony: Yea, see I have had over 9 students build for me. I own the content

Dashing: ty (Company)

lis Ruby: thanks. this has been really great.

Pathfinder Lester: could have a day long conference around the panelists. 🙂

Oronoque Westland: thanks AJ and everybody

Cooper Macbeth: Thanks everyone. This was awesome.

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