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Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable, June 30, 2011
Topic: The Future of Education in Virtual Worlds
- VWER Library of Transcripts
- VWER Flickr group
- VWER on Twitter
- What is a hashtag and why should I use one?
- Vushi website
- Article 1: Avatar Kinect
- Article 2: Avatar Kinect
- Craig Kapp’s blog
- Article: online course accessibility lawsuit
- Article: Virtual Reality as future teacher
- Article: LMS for Virtual Worlds (Vushi)
- TED talk: Steve Keil, A Manifesto for play
- Learning Analytics
- Health Haptics
Kali Pizzaro: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable. We meet each Thursday at 2:30pm SLT for an hour.
Kali Pizzaro: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.
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Kali Pizzaro: At the end of the meeting I will be asking for some suggestions for future meetings so get you thinking caps on for that.
Kali Pizzaro: Tonight’s theme is ‘What is the future for education in 3D Virtual Worlds?’ – you can be as imaginative as you wish or back up with links to research or new technology which you think could change education in VWs.
Kali Pizzaro: oh and Happy Social Media day. Lets get started the way we always do by introducing ourselves. I am Evelyn McElhinney an RN, Nurse lecturer in Advanced Practice Nursing at Glasgow Caledonian University, Scotland
AJ Brooks: I’m AJ Kelton, Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University. I’m also the Founder and Chief Moderator for the VWER
Samantha Chester: I am Ashlyn Dugan.I teach Writing and Composition at NPCC.
JeanClaude Vollmar: I’m Jeff Le Blanc, VP for IT at the University of Northwestern Ohio. I support the faculty and students in their use of SL.
Profesora Farigoule: LC Weaverling – USA Delaware, Delaware Tech , Architecture & Integrated Arts
Maggie Quinote: I’m Rita Mulholland, Assoc Prof at Richard Stockton College, NJ (Special education)
Geoff Lumley: Geoff Barker-Read from the University of Leeds, UK. I lead the Academic Quality and Standards Team
Zola Zsun: Linda Lindsey utsa
Ridvan-Researcher: I’m Ridvan phD student at the university of shefffield , doing research about teaching in SL
Salty Saenz: University English Prof, Morelia, Mexico. Tecnologico de Monterrey
Grizzla: Chris Robinson, Virtual Assistant, Georgia Gwinnett College
Kali Pizzaro: anyone else
AquilaDellaNotte Kondor: G.Ferrigno IBM Italy, expert in Project Management
Tab Scott: I’m Terry Beaubois, Director of the Creative Research Lab, College of Arts & Architecture, Montana State University
Shanti Suntzu: I’m Lucie Johnson, Psych Prof at Bethel U, MN
Widget Whiteberry: Sherry Reson, Co-Producer of Virtually Speaking in SL and on the web. Podcasts on btr.com. Public affairs and current events,
Exosius Woolley: Edward Howell, artist, designer and inventor… looking for work actually
Kali Pizzaro: 😉
barbarathelibrarian Magic: I’m Barbara Janson, reference librarian Johnson & wales university second year doctoral student
Kali Pizzaro: going
Kali Pizzaro: going
Kali Pizzaro: gone to Prof Farigoule’s tophat
Exosius Woolley: so yeah… looking for a job. 🙂 cough
Kali Pizzaro: 20 for the transcript
AJ Brooks: for the summer, that’s good
AquilaDellaNotte Kondor: how many in USA?
Kali Pizzaro: ok so this weeks meeting is about what you see is the future for Education in VWs
barbarathelibrarian Magic: Rhode Island here
JeanClaude Vollmar: I’m US, Ohio
Samantha Chester: me
Profesora Farigoule: Delaware – East coast
Maggie Quinote: NJ
Exosius Woolley: Orlando 🙂
Widget Whiteberry: San Francisco
Kali Pizzaro: as I said at the start you can be as imaginative as you wish
Kali Pizzaro: or give us some links to tech you think can change things or research
Samantha Chester: Has anyone seen the Anatomy build over in Jokaydia I think?
Kali Pizzaro: tell us about it Sam
Profesora Farigoule: not yet but wanting to see it
Samantha Chester: well it is really a great example of what you can do in VW
Kali Pizzaro: and what has impressed you
Samantha Chester: three dimensional models of the anatomical systems like circulatory
Samantha Chester: and it’s interactive
Widget Whiteberry: I thought the study room that Ran & Janice Heinrich are looking at is promising
Profesora Farigoule: can you send / put in chat the slurl info ?
Zola Zsun: but those models can be made in other programs better.. it is only HERE in the virtual that we can feel like we walk thru them
AJ Brooks: IF it’s on Jokaydia, its open sim
Profesora Farigoule: okay- good enough
Exosius Woolley: question… how do educational institutions usually get their designs completed – outsourcing or in-house production?
Samantha Chester: Well if you go over to the Reaction Grid it is in the directory
Grizzla: Exosius, it depends on whether they have more money to outsource or more people who know how
Kali Pizzaro: so is it the build or the idea that caught your interest
Samantha Chester: The build
Widget Whiteberry: Sam, can you walk through it?
Samantha Chester: it is an excellent example of how to use a VW in Education
AJ Brooks: i think – whatever the future – it has to be open, and not a walled garden
Kali Pizzaro: good point Aj
Samantha Chester: well there are several areas there
JeanClaude Vollmar: I was just reading about this one: http://www.vushi.org/. They’re creating an LMS that works around SL. We need more integration tools like this to make it easier interface to for teaching and learning.
Samantha Chester: the Garden area where the models are
Samantha Chester: a sandbox for students to build models of molecules like glucose
Kali Pizzaro: yes Jeanclaude i say that we will come back to that in a minute
AJ Brooks: and by walled gardens, I mean like SL, which won’t let us take our content out – unless we were the one to actually create it
Kali Pizzaro: but sam that has been done elsewhere
Kali Pizzaro: in sl
AJ Brooks: genome island, right?
JeanClaude Vollmar: Or build more doorways in that wall, as it were.
Claudia13 Rossini: AJ, the problem with that is creator rights…
AJ Brooks nods at JC
AJ Brooks: there are ways around that – have the option for the creator to give the rights to the buyer
Claudia13 Rossini: nods
AJ Brooks: if I pay for something, I want to have it here, or in open sim, or on my own instance – work for hire
AJ Brooks: i respect creators, and don’t want to rip them off
Samantha Chester: Yes some people I have talked to are really opposed to Open Sim just for that reason
AJ Brooks: educators understand IP all too well
Kali Pizzaro: yes, acknowledgement of the creator can still be done
Samantha Chester: I was just using the build as an example of a good use of VWs Kali
Kali Pizzaro: NP Sam just playing devils advocate
Kali Pizzaro: 😉
Samantha Chester: NP
Profesora Farigoule: it seems we are now in the VW equivalent of copyright-IP issues ca 1990 in real world – different ideas in different “lands” – no uniform approach –
Profesora Farigoule smiles
JeanClaude Vollmar: Like a digital repository that can be used across the many simulators. We have stuff like that already with pictures, music, course content, textbooks, etc.
Kali Pizzaro: yes Aj if i buy a toshiba Tv i can take it anywhere but it still says toshiba on it
Kali Pizzaro: but it’s mine
AJ Brooks: Yes – Jon Richter has been working on something like that with Merlot
Samantha Chester: You mean Clive Aj?
AJ Brooks was responding to JC
Kali Pizzaro: yes that will change things if we can buy and move across
AJ Brooks: well – CLiVE is a part of that
AJ Brooks: the safaris
Samantha Chester: Yes I lead a team
Shanti Suntzu: Could something be set up like a common creative license, and builders who wish could assign their rights to that, and then this material could be exported?
Kali Pizzaro: or be put under open educational resources
Shanti Suntzu: right
AJ Brooks: yes – that would be very simple – all LL would need to do is add a (take from grid) box to the create field and let creators check it off – just like copy/mod/trans
AJ Brooks: it has been proposed – for many years – LL has chosen not to do it – for some reason
AJ Brooks: I believe the JIRA is still open, even
AJ Brooks: I think Pathfinder was working on this when he was here
Profesora Farigoule: because LL likes their TOS *just* the way it is, AJ
Exosius Woolley: their reply is, Creative Commons and copyright law already covers it
AJ Brooks: Yes – Prof – what’s mine is mine and what’s yours is mine
Claudia13 Rossini: because LL does not play well with others and does not want other grids in competition
Samantha Chester: I don’t build but someone who does how do you feel about Open Sim and creative License?
AJ Brooks looks at Claudia and winces
Salty Saenz: of course competition is what drives innovation and lowers costs
Kali Pizzaro: Good Q Sam
Kali Pizzaro: any takers
Samantha Chester: Well SpotOn 3d is closed also
Zola Zsun: i build a lot… i so not worry about being ripped off. i offer my things in all worlds.. i believe in collaboration on all levels
Chimera Cosmos: I don’t build enough or well enough to worry about it 😉
Kali Pizzaro: Thanks Zola
Claudia13 Rossini: i build. i’d be ok about moving a piece of furniture or a building to other grids. just not being able to ‘copy’ them ad nauseum
barbarathelibrarian Magic: i build a little and make all my creations copy mod. I have property in Jokaydia, SL and OS Grid
Salty Saenz: I’m with you Chimera .. I buy
barbarathelibrarian Magic: but i respect those who feel their creations are theirs alone
Chimera Cosmos: I buy, or else I try to learn to build simple things by taking apart full-perms items
Samantha Chester: Yes I don’t understand why we can’t move what we buy
Widget Whiteberry: Claudia, I imagine, if you have an economic interest in selling your creations, that there are cost and price considerations
Zola Zsun: it is a shame tho that the things we purchase are now ours.. as they are in rl.. they are only leased it seems
Salty Saenz: If I could buy most objects as copy/mod, I would buy more actually … as I could create lots of holodecks
Zola Zsun: indeed 🙂
Zola Zsun: i hate to buy anything that is not copy/mod
Shanti Suntzu: Well, the things we buy are ours in SL
Kali Pizzaro: JC can you tell us again what Vushi is and why you think it might change things in the future
JeanClaude Vollmar: They’re building an interface that is like a LMS that will integrate with SL.
Chimera Cosmos: What do you say from the architect point of view Tab?
Claudia13 Rossini: actually they are only ‘ours’ if we have them on our hard drives. right now any grid can shut you out
JeanClaude Vollmar: http://www.vushi.org/
JeanClaude Vollmar: They have a free version even. Gotta love that.
Profesora Farigoule’s eyes open wide at JeanClaude’s comment
Kali Pizzaro: what is the difference to sloodle
JeanClaude Vollmar: But I haven’t messed with it yet since I just read about it this afternoon.
Claudia13 Rossini: in a way, ‘we’ don’t really exist like we do in r/l
Kali Pizzaro: 😉
Kali Pizzaro: CLAUDIA what do you mean lol
JeanClaude Vollmar: It’s an LMS, not an just an interface to an LMS like Sloodle is.
Profesora Farigoule bookmarks furiously
Zola Zsun: like we don’t really exist when we are on the phone? :))
Kali Pizzaro: sure
Claudia13 Rossini: lol… and there is no Santa Claus either Kali
Kali Pizzaro: cries
Profesora Farigoule: vushi looks like one more thing I have to learn about this summer lol
Grizzla reminds everyone that the urls will be on the transcript – just so no one drives themselves crazy
Profesora Farigoule: who says there is no Santa?
Claudia13 Rossini: hands Kali a tissue
Profesora Farigoule bangs fist on table
Salty Saenz: vushi sounds like Indian sushi
Zola Zsun bangs fist on own head
Kali Pizzaro: So JC you can use it to create class lists etc
JeanClaude Vollmar: I’m going to take a closer look at it to see what all it can do.
Profesora Farigoule: JC – is it *free*?
Profesora Farigoule salivates
Kali Pizzaro: that all talk to your student systems
Chimera Cosmos: hahaha computers create class lists, people don’t
Kali Pizzaro: there is a paid version also
JeanClaude Vollmar: Yes, you can Kali.
Kali Pizzaro: the free version is limited
Profesora Farigoule: ah – like the free version of Blackboard years (and I mean YEARS) ago
JeanClaude Vollmar: They even have an en masse TP function. Sounds great for touring and the like.
Salty Saenz: I wish my univ would unblock SL … if anyone has any academic justification materials that have been successfully presented to admins .. please let me know
barbarathelibrarian Magic sighs
Zola Zsun: your university BLOCKS sl?
Profesora Farigoule: IM me Salty – I had to do this myself
Salty Saenz: yes
AJ Brooks: Salty – there are piles of research – peer reviewed – check the journals – but none of it will open the eyes of those who wish to remain blind
Profesora Farigoule: and got SL squeezed in – even into open labs
Marc Rexen: wow, that’s surprising…censorship in this day and age.
Profesora Farigoule: true, AJ true
Grizzla: I would like to see some collaboration on that – academic justification materials. We would all have good ideas to contribute, and save each other time
Zola Zsun: censorship in higher ed? its bad enough in pub school
AquilaDellaNotte Kondor: most companies firewalls block SL and streaming
Salty Saenz: And the word TECHNOLOGY is part of my univ’s name
Salty Saenz: hahaa
Zola Zsun: sad
AJ Brooks: most places block it for network traffic reasons
Profesora Farigoule: lol – so is ours
Chimera Cosmos: I think it’s been discussed on the listserv a number of times since 2006 or so
Zola Zsun: our university attempts to USE it :))
Grizzla: Yes, when I did a presentation on SL for our IT faculty, that was a huge concern – the drain on the network
Profesora Farigoule: Salty – they want technology – as long as they don’t have to foot the bandwidth bill LOL
Maggie Quinote: My college does not block it!
Chimera Cosmos: the uni justification that is
barbarathelibrarian Magic: …had to make written request to have it on her office PC …IT won’t put it on my LAN
AJ Brooks: and it is a valid concern – no more so than video conferencing
Samantha Chester: Yes certain times during the day you cannot access it at my school
Zola Zsun: universities are going to have to realize that more bandwidth is just a need … add to running costs
Maggie Quinote: We have SL shortcut icon sitting on about 30 computers at the college.
barbarathelibrarian Magic: most PC’s cant handle the graphics at my univ.
JeanClaude Vollmar: YouTube is a drain on the network too, but is it blocked? 50% of our bandwidth goes directly out to YT.
AquilaDellaNotte Kondor: the future to reach is a VW on the web, easy to use
Kali Pizzaro: ok so lets go back the the theme a little – does anyone see avatar kinect changing education in SD VWs
Zola Zsun: more important than new football uniforms … more bandwidth!
AJ Brooks: ah – augmented reality – now we’re talking
Kali Pizzaro: that is meant to be 3D
AJ Brooks: wow – really bad chat lag
Zola Zsun: yes.. soon it will be a normal part of the web.. VWs
Grizzla: So we need to organize bake sales: “Buy a brownie for bandwidth!”
AJ Brooks: yes – AR will change VW – no doubt
barbarathelibrarian Magic: ahhhh sports sells …big time
Widget Whiteberry wonders if the growing bandwidth need is an argument for solar and wind installations
Zola Zsun: damn.. and no PTA at your school?
Zola Zsun: lol
Profesora Farigoule: my head feels like exploding like the avatar kinect writer too –
Widget Whiteberry: what is kinect?
AJ Brooks: when we can bring the 3d world into our classrooms – and our avatars via AR into the 3d world – thats a game changer
Profesora Farigoule: but it does prove a point I made (I think) that VW and avatars *will* be the future in communication…
Profesora Farigoule: and ergo education in near future
Zola Zsun: yayyyy
AJ Brooks: and it will happen
Profesora Farigoule gets off soapbox
AquilaDellaNotte Kondor: Avatar Kinect, a service through which you and your friends can interact via your Xbox Live avatars in virtual chatrooms, will launch within a few weeks, GeekWire reports.
Zola Zsun: chat lag.. my yayys dont fit
Samantha Chester: Aj What do you mean by AR
JeanClaude Vollmar: It gets us off the couch too instead of fingers dancing on the keyboard.
AJ Brooks: Augmented Reality
Samantha Chester: okay
Kali Pizzaro: Yes AJ and it will not be the AR we see now on our phones
Samantha Chester: thanks
AJ Brooks: no
Profesora Farigoule: will help obesity epidemic – if xboxing has to be done with whole body YAY
AJ Brooks: or TVs (vis a vis football lines)
Profesora Farigoule: or avatar kinect – or Wii-ing
AJ Brooks: Check out Craig Kapp’s work
Claudia13 Rossini: with, what about those that can’t physically do that…
AJ Brooks: http://blog.craigkapp.com/
Profesora Farigoule: good question Claudia – this has been one of the strengths of VWs
Claudia13 Rossini: exactly Fari
Profesora Farigoule: equal ability to all users
AJ Brooks: did you see that lawsuit because a blind students couldn’t access a online class
Kali Pizzaro: Claudia maybe there will be a way to move the avatar in another way
Kali Pizzaro: yeah saw that AJ
Profesora Farigoule: interesting AJ – will have to look at that one
Kali Pizzaro: eye tracking etc
AJ Brooks: a Japanese company already has a skull cap where people can move avatars in world just with thought
Claudia13 Rossini: there needs to be. i certainly can’t stand while building
Profesora Farigoule: the moneymaker will be the person who figures out how to integrate AR avatars and VW avatars – then playing field is still level
Zola Zsun: profesora i agreed with you about something so much that i crashed
Profesora Farigoule: lol
Kali Pizzaro: how about this “Pupils could be downloading their own teacher hologram in the classroom of the future, as technology changes how they learn”
AJ Brooks: we need to build on functionality without taking any of the existing functionality away
Claudia13 Rossini: exactly AJ
Profesora Farigoule: like the medical doctor on Star Trek Voyager lol
Kali Pizzaro: yep
Marc Rexen: I can see the quick-tips card now…hop on your left leg to fly up…hop on your right leg to fly down.
Claudia13 Rossini: lol
Kali Pizzaro: 😉
Samantha Chester: LOL Marc
Kali Pizzaro: so this tech is apparently available at Microsoft offices – holograms
Profesora Farigoule: you could replicate master teachers – okay now I know why I completed my masters…
Kali Pizzaro: already so maybe we will have the hologram room which integrates with the 3D virtual world
Profesora Farigoule: going to become Teacher-in-a-Box
Kali Pizzaro: that would be cool
AquilaDellaNotte Kondor: hologram mean to get an avatar in RL, VW mean to get a human in a VW
Profesora Farigoule: so I don’t even have to log on to teach
Zola Zsun: like the rolling robo doctors?
Claudia13 Rossini: (get dressed for meetings, comb my hair, what a drag….too much reality)
JeanClaude Vollmar: I don’t do that Claudia. 😉 My avatar hasn’t had a bath since he was rezzed. LOL
AJ Brooks: wouldn’t that be as boring as as recorded lectures tho
AJ Brooks: very bad pedagogy, if so
Zola Zsun: really claudia .. i agree
Marc Rexen: The mouse, keyboard, and screen have been remarkably durable through time. I will guess the next step needs to be a gesture-based interface to bring Android and iPhones into VW’s.
Profesora Farigoule: bad pedagogy always follows tech innovation, I fear, AJ
Zola Zsun: yesss marc yesss :))
Zola Zsun: lol
Marc Rexen: Meaning ipads and tablets.
Profesora Farigoule: until the brilliant geniuses like those present set it on a new path
Zola Zsun: i think that bad pedagogy follows bad educators 🙂
Samantha Chester: Oh Bb had a webinar yesterday just on that sort of thing
AJ Brooks: YES
Zola Zsun: yayy
AJ Brooks: Zola
Marc Rexen: 500,000 Androids a day…that is a lot of phones, soon to be tablets.
Claudia13 Rossini: LOL Jean
Widget Whiteberry pulls out her pheromone detector
Zola Zsun: i love my android 🙂
Kali Pizzaro: yes Prof the pedagogy should drive to an extent but maybe we need to create new pedagogy
Claudia13 Rossini: (note to self sell Jean a bathtub in SL)
Samantha Chester: loves my iphone
AJ Brooks: loves my iphone too
Claudia13 Rossini: loves my iPod
Zola Zsun: yes new pedagogy based in play.. there is a TED talk all must see 🙂
barbarathelibrarian Magic: loves my ipad
Grizzla: loves my Android
Samantha Chester: LOl maybe soon can teach from it
Kali Pizzaro: can now
AJ Brooks: yup
Salty Saenz: loves my iPod Touch, iPad, and MacBook
Kali Pizzaro: 😉
Profesora Farigoule: when I bought a bathtub in SL, it provoked a huge amount of thinking – why I thought I needed it – but I digress further
Kali Pizzaro: show off
Kali Pizzaro: Salty lol
Profesora Farigoule: yes Zola – it is a must see for me now too
AJ Brooks: hey – I wanted to ask if anyone other than me has seen this message when signing into a non-SL vW – let me rez the board
Grizzla’s note: This is what the board in the picture says:
Attention: The Second Life Terms of Service require that all viewers, including the Imprudence viewer, send a “statistics packet” to Linden Lab every 5 minutes while you are connected to Second Life.
The Packet is sent only to Linden Lab; the Imprudence Project does not receive or collect any data of this kind.
The Second Life Terms of Service do not allow you to opt out. By logging in to Second Life, you are consenting to this data collection.
[Then there a choice to click Log In or Cancel]
Salty Saenz: I don’t have an iPhone .. boo hoo
Profesora Farigoule: I can already say I haven’t – as I haven’t rezzed since VWBPE as this avatar
Profesora Farigoule: anyway
Zola Zsun: found it.. here.. the ted talk i love http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/steve_keil_a_manifesto_for_play_for_bulgaria_and_beyond.html
Claudia13 Rossini: you didn’t know that SL collected that data?
Grizzla: I only use Imprudence for OpenSim – so haven’t seen that message.
AJ Brooks: I knew they collect data on their servers
JeanClaude Vollmar: I did see that, maybe when I first logged in using Imprudence?
AJ Brooks: I didn’t know they collect data on who I am with, where I am going, specifically
barbarathelibrarian Magic: uses imprudence for OS
Grizzla: Reminds me of the monolith in 2001: A Space Odyssey
AJ Brooks: lol
Claudia13 Rossini: honestly, the second you connect to the internet everyone who can is collecting your data..there is no real privacy on the net
Zola Zsun: lol.. i have accepted for a long time that people know more about me than i may like.. but.. they won’t find too much very interesting
Widget Whiteberry: ‘non personally identifying data’
Grizzla: Yeah, it’s like living in a small town – everybody knows what you’re doing – only in this case, you don’t know who everybody is.
Kali Pizzaro: although this happens everywhere. when i went to one of the pages about the hologram teacher there was an advert for bean to cup coffee machines at the top (i bought one yesterday from Amazon)
Zola Zsun: lol
Kali Pizzaro: 😉
Zola Zsun: yep
barbarathelibrarian Magic: I have accepted that if I want to offer “public service” that the public will learn about me….and it is a conscious choice I make to “serve”
Kali Pizzaro: analytics – may change how we teach
Widget Whiteberry: me too, Barbara
Zola Zsun: right barbara
Profesora Farigoule: now that is something I need – bean to cup coffeemaker
Profesora Farigoule: lol
Claudia13 Rossini: the thing is no one really has time to read all that data
Zola Zsun: i need one too
Kali Pizzaro: love it prof
Profesora Farigoule: true claudia true
Zola Zsun: can we get a group discount ?
Samantha Chester does not drink coffee
Profesora Farigoule: who has time to read
barbarathelibrarian Magic uses analytics but sometimes does not like to pause to input data
Widget Whiteberry: I imagine a bot aggregates it
Claudia13 Rossini: i do… about 3-5 books a week
barbarathelibrarian Magic: would like voice command analytics
Profesora Farigoule: I mean read anything other than essentials – which are voluminous
Widget Whiteberry reads New Yorker mag
Widget Whiteberry: and blogs, lots of blogs
Samantha Chester reads bad student essays
Zola Zsun: i read hundreds of web pages hahaha
Profesora Farigoule sighs with Sam55
Claudia13 Rossini: algorithms (so)…most are just looking to sell…lord knows what gov. look for
Widget Whiteberry offers sympathy to Sam
Samantha Chester: thanks Widget
barbarathelibrarian Magic: reads too many dissertations that make me feel like i will never finish
Widget Whiteberry: hopefully they improve under your care, Sam
Zola Zsun: 🙂
Samantha Chester: nods Widget
Kali Pizzaro: “Learning analytics refers to the interpretation of a wide range of data produced by and gathered on behalf of students in order to assess academic progress, predict future performance, and spot potential issues. Data are collected from explicit student actions, such as completing assignments and taking exams, and from tacit actions, including online social interactions, extracurricular activities, posts on discussion forums, and other activities that are not directly assessed as part of the student‚Äôs educational progress.” Horizon Report
Kali Pizzaro: 2011
Claudia13 Rossini: 1984
Kali Pizzaro: 😉
Kali Pizzaro: does anyone see any ethical issues here
Widget Whiteberry: in SL? noooooooo
Kali Pizzaro: no with learning analytics sorry
Widget Whiteberry laughs
Profesora Farigoule: not any different than ethical issues in data collection through other information technologies… kali
Samantha Chester: keeps my students pretty isolated
Profesora Farigoule: but even if there are issues – how could one possibly limit this
Samantha Chester: from most of SL
barbarathelibrarian Magic: this is what i am writing about
Claudia13 Rossini: remember, you can’t ride a bus or walk a street (in larger cities) without being recorded doing so
Zola Zsun: i know and now the computers
Zola Zsun: will recognize you EVERY where
Profesora Farigoule: exactly what I mean Claudia – what I do is being recorded “out there” whether on internet, street or VW
Kali Pizzaro: And we are talking about developing a smart campus
Claudia13 Rossini: exactly. privacy in todays world is an illusion
Kali Pizzaro: walk by and a message says you should be in class haha
Zola Zsun: yes, claudia.. it is in our heads.. well for the moment that is safe
Zola Zsun: 🙂
Claudia13 Rossini: thank god Zola
Zola Zsun: hahaahahhaha.
Kali Pizzaro: ok so we have ten minutes left
Claudia13 Rossini: (you do not want to know what goes on in mine)
Profesora Farigoule: lol Kali – that is what I want – smart campus that gives “push” information on what they are missing to class cutters
Kali Pizzaro: this is what they are saying we already have an automated system which tracks there attendance and texts them
Kali Pizzaro: to remind them where they should be
Profesora Farigoule: well to get back to topic – the non-SL grids are the biggest development in VWEd where I work – creating another level of dilemma we have yet to resolve – do what-where issues
AJ Brooks: exactly
Samantha Chester: agrees
barbarathelibrarian Magic: costs less…that’s for sure
Claudia13 Rossini: we are still in early days with VW’s though
Profesora Farigoule: and increased costs to Ed-Non Profits now in SL
Samantha Chester: yes but the ones I have visited make me love Sl lag
Profesora Farigoule: we were set to “buy land” – now we are back to dithering
Claudia13 Rossini: try ‘inworldz’ Sam
Profesora Farigoule: buy in SL I mean
AJ Brooks: Inworldz is just another walled garden
Samantha Chester: I have Claudia
Claudia13 Rossini: it may be different for me.since i’m more of a creater then a teacher
barbarathelibrarian Magic: my Jokaydia sim is only $22 a month
barbarathelibrarian Magic: my OS Grid one is only #10 a month
Grizzla: It’s still my humble opinion that SL is the best place to start – unless you have lots of people & money to dedicate to developing OpenSim
Profesora Farigoule: appreciates your humble opinion Grizzla
Marc Rexen: Agree Grizzla.
Samantha Chester: agrees
Kali Pizzaro: yeah Grizzla i tend to agree or if you already have space and builds why give it up
Zola Zsun: the best thing about sl is that it is the big city of VWs – for now
Kali Pizzaro: explore other areas if you have time and a team, but…
Claudia13 Rossini: and export your builds as soon as you finish them…..by the way i’m almost finished setting up the class you guys wanted on exports/imports
Profesora Farigoule: cool claudia
Samantha Chester: Yay Claudia
Kali Pizzaro: ok so what about haptics – any thoughts on how they might change education – here is an example form health http://www.ukhaptics.co.uk/
Profesora Farigoule: I believe is going to be BIG in areas that require expensive hands-on training
Kali Pizzaro: not VW specifically
Profesora Farigoule is thinking about Anatomy 101 – how it might change that
Profesora Farigoule: for med students for example
Zola Zsun: hahhaah
barbarathelibrarian Magic wishes they had this when she took Anatomy 101
Profesora Farigoule: or where I work – HazMat and Emergency Response
Claudia13 Rossini: Fari, i think if you look back you’ll see all changes brought expense to get everyone up to speed..i saw it with the arrival of PC’s and the internet
Widget Whiteberry nods
Kali Pizzaro: or does anyone think that haptic devices will not be as interesting now that we have kinect and don’t need a handset. will folk tolerate
Profesora Farigoule: good question
Zola Zsun: haptics.. turn the whole thing into the holodeck
Zola Zsun: yayy
Samantha Chester has not seen kinect
Kali Pizzaro: or is it the integration of many of the tech we have discussed with the correct pedagogy
Kali Pizzaro: at the right time
Marc Rexen: Getting people together as a group to talk has worked for tens of thousands of years…this won’t change and VW’s are a good method to get people together to discuss.
Samantha Chester: yes Kali these are all tools
Kali Pizzaro: oh times up would you believe
Zola Zsun: right marc it is just an added way of communication
Kali Pizzaro: so any suggestions for future meetings
JeanClaude Vollmar: When you talk about immersion, the more senses that can be incorporated into the learning experience the better. But I think that still a ways out.
Samantha Chester: agrees
JeanClaude Vollmar: Haptics will certainly add to that.
Samantha Chester: I would still like a program on hypergridding
barbarathelibrarian Magic: …has hypergridded and loved it
Grizzla: About future meetings – I’ve asked AJ to see if Rhett Linden would come as a guest. Rhett has posted a few things in the SLED list recently.
Zola Zsun: well i think that kitely has potential myself
Kali Pizzaro: is that a suggestion Sam
barbarathelibrarian Magic: have a little portal at my library in jokaydia
Kali Pizzaro: thanks Grizzla
Samantha Chester: Yes Kali
Kali Pizzaro: thanks Sam
Kali Pizzaro: anyone else
Kali Pizzaro: 😉
Grizzla: I like the hypergridding idea too. I’m not good at it.
Kali Pizzaro: come on you have had a whole hour to come up with suggestions ;-P
barbarathelibrarian Magic: It’s fun …addictive
Claudia13 Rossini: has never hypergridded
Samantha Chester: well then guess I win
Samantha Chester: do i get a prize?
Claudia13 Rossini: no
Zola Zsun: i hypergridded into a grid in which i already had a zola.. what did this do to the space time continuum?
Grizzla: Yes Sam you should get a prize
Samantha Chester: same thing as having you and your alt in the same place
Kali Pizzaro: ok thanks folks again for a great conversation
Zola Zsun: these meetings are getting more fun all the time 🙂
Kali Pizzaro: now next week Aj?
AJ Brooks: Andrew Hughes
AJ Brooks: my one-on-one interview
AJ Brooks: he just got that big army contract
Kali Pizzaro: great same time. around the corner at our one on one interview area
AJ Brooks: The Formal Amphitheater – newly redesigned by Claudia
AJ Brooks: Andy actually has a connection to BGSU, our hosts
AJ Brooks: he hires a LOT of Anthony’s students after they get done with school
AJ Brooks: doing virtual world work
Kali Pizzaro: fab ok folks i got to go sleepy time here
Claudia13 Rossini: and aren’t we all gratefully to Anthony for the use of BGSU