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Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable, July 28, 2011
Welcome New Moderators, Samantha Chester and Grizzla Pixelmaid
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Kali Pizzaro: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable. We meet each Thursday at 2:30pm SLT for an hour.
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Kali Pizzaro: Tonight’s theme is “Welcome to New Moderators” Grizzla and Sam55 who will have part of the meeting each.
Kali Pizzaro: Grizzla’s topic – “What steps are you taking these days to put together your VW projects?” Sam will be discussing “What are the advantages /disadvantages of VWs outside of SL?”
Kali Pizzaro: Lets get started the way we always do by introducing ourselves. I am Evelyn McElhinney a RN, Nurse lecturer in Advanced Practice Nursing at Glasgow Caledonian University, Scotland
Grizzla: Chris Robinson, Virtual Assistant, Office of EdTech, Georgia Gwinnett College in metro Atlanta
Samantha Chester: I am Ashlyn Dugan. I am a Writing and Composition instructor at NPCC in Arkansas.
Geoff Lumley: Geoff Lumley is Geoff Barker-Read from the University of Leeds, UK
JeanClaude Vollmar: Hi everyone. I’m Jeff Le Blanc from the University of Northwestern Ohio. I’m their VP for IT.
Jewle Rae: I’m Barbara Tomlin, consultant
Olivia Hotshot: Ann Steckel – Cal State Chico – generic tech nerd and educator
Kali Pizzaro: going
Kali Pizzaro: going
Kali Pizzaro: gone to the very chilled Mister Lumley
Geoff Lumley: Merci!
Kali Pizzaro: ok so we are welcoming our two new Moderators
Grizzla: and the mysterious octopus
Kali Pizzaro: so Grizzla is talking about “What steps are you taking these days to put together your VW projects?”
Kali Pizzaro: so hit it Grizzla
Grizzla: Well, you know my question… The reason I thought of it is that so much of what we talk about is general, conceptual
Grizzla: and I confess that as my college is new in its VW project, I’m thinking thru practical steps.
Grizzla: So what are yours? What are you doing these days in your VW project/s?
Kali Pizzaro: mine is a little at a standstill as we have had lots of changes to staff but i plan to do more next semester and work on some stuff through this one. making new scenarios for our bots.
Kali Pizzaro: and hopefully recruiting new volunteers to let my students take their real life health history
Olivia Hotshot: i have another campus build on the burner – but it is in open sim.
Kali Pizzaro: which sim
Olivia Hotshot: ooh you want all my secrets now, don’t ya kali?
Kali Pizzaro: oh ok sorrryyyy
Olivia Hotshot: heh
Grizzla: Kali, do you folks use purchased bots, or do you make your own?
Graham Mills: Good evening
Kali Pizzaro: we made our own
Kali Pizzaro: AIML with voice and text
Kali Pizzaro: case based
Samantha Chester: what do you use them for Kali?
Kali Pizzaro: to let students take a health history – practise history taking
Olivia Hotshot: Building for a college in Eugene, OR for a class that teaches students how to write code for computer games
Olivia Hotshot: i have a region to play with – going to be very WoWesque in nature
Samantha Chester: well you plan your designs out on paper first don’t you Olivia?
Olivia Hotshot: i do Sam, i draw all the buildings first, make a map of where they are going to go, and then upload them and post them on the sim so all my collaborators know what is going to take place
Grizzla: How many collaborators are in your team?
Olivia Hotshot: this project will have 4 – but i am the lead and coordinating the project
Olivia Hotshot: collaborative building is an art i have learned after being inefficient on a few other projects
Samantha Chester: what caused those projects to be inefficient Olivia?
Olivia Hotshot: well for starters i wasn’t the lead… *just kidding*
Kali Pizzaro: hehe
Olivia Hotshot: but – there is a process that helps – one i have developed and can communicate easily to others – i didn’t have the process in place before
Grizzla: Is your process something you can share at some point?
Kali Pizzaro: how long did it take you to get it sorted
Olivia Hotshot: Grizz, i have serious thoughts about writing up for a chapter submission to a book
Olivia Hotshot: it took about 3 projects Kali
Kali Pizzaro: excellent Ann
Olivia Hotshot: then little by little i have it to where i can go with my team and commando like do a blitz build
Kali Pizzaro: that would be very interesting Olivia
Olivia Hotshot: thanks kali
Grizzla: And an Educause presentation
Olivia Hotshot: Olivia Hotshot goes back to sleep and listens
Kali Pizzaro: http://caledonianblogs.net/soh-secondlife/ here is the link to look at our blog where you can find a video of the bot
Olivia Hotshot: hehe possibly
Grizzla: Who else has some steps they’re taking these days?
Kali Pizzaro: yeah Geoff you usually have something on the go
Geoff Lumley: Well, to be honest Kali, it’s all looking rather quiet at the moment. The artificial life ecosystem is still up and running, but not much else I’m afraid
Kali Pizzaro: is that your time or others Geoff
Geoff Lumley: Not mine. The AI system is supported by a colleague from manchester Metropolitan University and an academic from somewhere in Italy
Samantha Chester: You are doing a project with Georgia TEch aren’t you Grizzla?
Grizzla: We’re not, but there are some possibilities for collaboration eventually.
Grizzla: In our situation, we have a brand-new VP for EdTech who is interested in VWs but admits to having no experience – so I’m getting info together to give him a basis to decide where it fits in current priorities
Grizzla: Another of my projects is to get a group together, something like this one, for educators in the Georgia University System to collaborate.
Grizzla: Geoff, what is your sim?
Kali Pizzaro: yeah takes a lot of organising Grizzla
Grizzla: Is it in SL?
Geoff Lumley: Education UK is the sim Grizzla
Geoff Lumley: Yes, it’s SL
Grizzla: Is it open for visits or restricted?
Geoff Lumley: Totally open. We welcome visitors – some of these good folk have seen the AI ‘zoo’ already
Sheila Yoshikawa: I’m hoping to get some students for my freshman students to interact with … last year I had someone lined up, but in the end it didn’t work out with her students
Olivia Hotshot: exciting stuff going on !
Geoff Lumley: Lots of strange critters. Some are now linked to web-based chatbots
Geoff Lumley: You can have a pseudo-intelligent conversation with one or two
Kali Pizzaro: are you collaborating with someone abroad Sheila
Graham Mills: Um, yes, Geoff — very interesting work
Grizzla: Welcome Eve! One of my buddies from Georgia.
Olivia Hotshot: welcome Eve
Kali Pizzaro: woo
Kali Pizzaro: Oron come on in
Eve Maven: hi, thanks
Samantha Chester: Hi Eve I used to be from Georgia
Olivia Hotshot: makes me hungry for peaches
Grizzla: Eve, click to sit on one of the seats, and another chair will appear
Sheila Yoshikawa: well, the person I was going to work with last year was in the US, but the main thing is (I think) to try and find people their age who will be spending a bit of time inworld
Grizzla: To the newcomers – we’re talking about practical steps we’re taking these days in our VW projects.
Grizzla: Feel free to chime in
Grizzla: Sheila, what age are your students?
Kali Pizzaro: no but i would like to Graham
Sheila Yoshikawa: 18-19 mostly
Kali Pizzaro: 12 on the sim for the transcripts
Sheila Yoshikawa: the ones next semester
Grizzla: IM me later, Sheila – we may be able to help
Kali Pizzaro: woop love it
Kali Pizzaro: providing a service
Kali Pizzaro: i can see a paper coming lol
Sheila Yoshikawa: oh thanks Grizzla, will follow that up
Grizzla: Almost time to move on to Sam. Hard to summarize everyone’s individual steps.
Oronoque Westland: OUCH!
Grizzla: Anyone have anything additional they’d like to share – sort of “show and tell” without the show?
Kali Pizzaro: add any links if you have
Sheila Yoshikawa: a bit low at the moment, I’m “on holiday” and have a rather rubbish connection from my mobile stick
Eve Maven: I have 28 students inworld to my project in a couple of weeks
Grizzla: Everyone should see Eve’s build. It’s beautiful!
Kali Pizzaro: ok folks lets move on then to Sam55 – Welcome Samm is going to discuss “What are the advantages /disadvantages VWs outside of SL?
Samantha Chester: thanks Kalli
Samantha Chester: How many of you have projects in a VW outside of Sl?
Olivia Hotshot: me
Graham Mills: Me
Olivia Hotshot: but you know that
Oronoque Westland: moi
Samantha Chester: yes I have seen Oro’s
Graham Mills: I’m on a French grid — you should join us, Oro
Oronoque Westland: half finished
Olivia Hotshot: i bet the food is great there Graham
Samantha Chester: You have made changes to your sim oro?
Oronoque Westland: my French is tres mal
Graham Mills: Yup, and the clothes
Samantha Chester: Which VW Graham?
Graham Mills: New World Grid
Samantha Chester: How is it different from Sl?
Graham Mills: But it isn’t just French — though it is a registered non-profit in France
Oronoque Westland: @Sam55, have not had time….a real pity
Graham Mills: Well, it’s a lot smaller than SL
Samantha Chester: One of the problems I have had when I visit some grids is there is no one around
Samantha Chester: No one to answer questions
Graham Mills: Some of the sims have much lower concurrency
Kali Pizzaro: does it still have similar communication
Graham Mills: We are having an Open Day in October
Kali Pizzaro: voice?
Kali Pizzaro: ah think i saw that will need to try to get to that
Graham Mills: There is not much use of voice — it is Freeswitch based at the moment if you want it
Graham Mills: Lower quality, non-spatial compared to SL
Kali Pizzaro: right
Samantha Chester: Oro you are in Jokaydia?
Oronoque Westland: Jokaydia and JokaydiaGrid
Oronoque Westland: the first is in SL
Kali Pizzaro: i need to get back on JokaydiaGrid
Kali Pizzaro: has it grown much in the last 3-4 months
Oronoque Westland: when Montclair closed the residential sim I moved my SL home to Jokaydia, but my regions are on JokaydiaGrid
Graham Mills: One of the issues is that the various grids are on different versions of the Hypergrid at the moment
Samantha Chester: In Jokaydia so you really need to be a good builder to create a sim?
Grizzla: @Sam – catching up on reading comments after taking pix – when I visit any VW or ed sim in SL, it’s rare to find anyone
Oronoque Westland: on JokaydiaGrid I have generous neighbors so we share a lot
Kali Pizzaro: timing is crucial
Kali Pizzaro: yes there is lots of sharing
Kali Pizzaro: WB Sheila
Oronoque Westland: I think picking the “right grid” is important
Graham Mills: I think outside ReactionGrid and jokaydiaGRID, one of the challenges is finding out what is going on
Oronoque Westland: for me JokaydiaGrid is right because it has a community of educators
Kali Pizzaro: yeah that is one of the disadvantages of having multiple grids
Kali Pizzaro: me thinks
Eve Maven: which one is the largest right now?
Samantha Chester: @Oro and you can make contact with them?
Graham Mills: There is a big community forming on OSGrid too now with John Rogate at the helm
Samantha Chester: Thats good to know Graham
Kali Pizzaro: yeah i see him tweet i think
Kali Pizzaro: a lot
Graham Mills: UEL has a sim there
Oronoque Westland: Jokay Wollongong (the “landlady”) is very active, has a website, etc., plus takes customer support very seriously…I think that makes a big difference
Grizzla: I love Jokay
Samantha Chester: Sure Grizzla
Oronoque Westland: I am not so concerned with overall population size as common interest group
Samantha Chester: nods
Eve Maven: yes, which ones seem to draw educators?
Oronoque Westland: that is the focus of Reaction Grid and Jokaydia Grid
Grizzla: I agree, Oro. It would be nice if we could all agree on one grid. Hypergridding exists but is problematic
Graham Mills: There are some educators on NWG but there is a strong cultural influence generally so it works well for me — it runs in the same time zone too which is good for support
TommyJW Ninetails: 3rd rock grid talked about supporting SL educators
Kali Pizzaro: good point Graham
Oronoque Westland: yes, I like NWG for the cultural aspects
Graham Mills: Hypergridding will be easier once we are all on 0.7.1.1
Kali Pizzaro: yes that will be a game changer. do you think?
Oronoque Westland: I used to have a 3RG sim but left
Grizzla: There is something called The VIEW which is being developed for education, but still too early to see whether it’ll be worth a shot
Samantha Chester: Why Oro?
TommyJW Ninetails: I would like to see a live boot hypergrid on startup CD created. Something which comes with all one would need to support a class and sandbox.
Oronoque Westland: 3RG is a diverse community and some of what I saw there was not appropriate (from my perspective) for impressionable students
Kali Pizzaro: can you not do that on a stick Tommy
Graham Mills: Yes, simonastick is awesome
Kali Pizzaro: interesting Oro
TommyJW Ninetails: that would be even better
Kali Pizzaro: it is possible now
TommyJW Ninetails: I’m a bit of an old timer
Samantha Chester: I have got to try simonastick
Kali Pizzaro: you got a link Graham
Grizzla: Yeah, CDs are so 20th century ;0)
TommyJW Ninetails: I would love to see lots of free lib of objects and tools.
Graham Mills: http://simonastick.com/
Oronoque Westland: @Kali, 3RG puts a lot of emphasis on community and I thought it better to relocate than to try to censor anyone on 3RG
Graham Mills: I’ve generated a Google Custom Search Engine that cross-searches some of the OpenSim web content sites
Graham Mills: That’s http://bit.ly/hyperfind
Grizzla: Yes, I have that bookmarked. It’s great!
Samantha Chester: Well we are about out of time for today
Samantha Chester: anyone have something they want to add?
Graham Mills: There’s a also the http://metaverseink.com/ search engine
Grizzla: Folks should take a look at Eve’s sim – Valdosta State University
Eve Maven: I’d be happy to show it to anyone
Samantha Chester: I would love to see it Eve
Grizzla: They have some amazing areas for role-playing for social work students. I showed some of it to our VP last week.
Samantha Chester: So what did we decide are the advantages to other VW’s?
Eve Maven: we can do it now or set up a time, Sam
Graham Mills: Cost, control
Samantha Chester: Yes we did not discuss cost did we?
Kali Pizzaro: control is big
Grizzla: My impression is that OpenSim is kinda “free like a puppy.”
Graham Mills: Backups
Graham Mills: OAR files
Samantha Chester: Yes very important Graham
Kali Pizzaro: what is yours is yours
Oronoque Westland: incentive to learn to create and not buy, buy, buy…heehee
JeanClaude Vollmar: Content that is really yours to keep.
Kali Pizzaro: Ok I would like to thank Grizzla and Sam55 for a great job at moderating woop
Graham Mills: Yes, many thanks — great meeting
JeanClaude Vollmar: WOOT!
Oronoque Westland: @ninetails…I luv the octopuddy
Samantha Chester: And Eve if you have time I would love to see your sim
TommyJW Ninetails: ty.
Kali Pizzaro: next week Chris Collins, CEO Tipodean.com will be interviewed by AJ
Kali Pizzaro: so join us for that