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Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable January 5, 2012
Topic: Annual Meeting on “Possible, Probable, and Preferable Future of Education in Virtual Worlds”
Photos by Grizzla and Wrenaria. Join our VWER groups at Flickr and Koinup to add your own pictures!
AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to a annual meeting of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable. “Possible, Probable, and Preferable Future of Education in Virtual Worlds”
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): maybe quick relog
Fleep Tuque: Ok Jon
Fleep Tuque: Think Ken did the same
AJ Brooks: ken, jon – if you want to relog, now is a good time to try
AJ Brooks: Our special guests today are: Anthony Fontana (AnthonyFontana Chevalier), Chris Collins (Fleep Tuque), Joanna Kay (JoKay), Jonathon Richter (Wainbrave Bernal), and Ken Hudson (Kenny Hubble)
Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): hola
AJ Brooks: The VWER meets each Thursday at 11:30am SLT for an hour and is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.
AJ Brooks: Our group has met every week for nearly four years and we get a wide variety of educators, from seasoned veterans to the newly rezzed.
Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): #woot
AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we will be keeping and publishing a transcript of what is said in local chat. If you’ve not seen our transcripts, you should check them out – they are an excellent information asset
jokay Wollongong: Woot Woot VWER!
AJ Brooks: and a great historical reference. Via our web site, they are also searchable. The transcripts can be found at http://www.vwer.org – select the LIBRARY tab at the top.
Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): that happens
AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable continues to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
AJ Brooks: Please join the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable group here in SL. If you are on Facebook, please join our group there – Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable.
AJ Brooks: You can also find and post pictures to our Flickr group and follow us on Twitter @VWER. When you blog or tweet, please remember to include the tag #vwer
AJ Brooks: (its important not to forget to include the #)
AJ Brooks: One thing you will notice today is that we have transcribers who will capture the essences of what our guests and I are saying and post it into the public chat.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yep
AJ Brooks: This is for those who are not using voice chat as well as for our transcripts.
AJ Brooks: Occasionally we have a special meeting like this one, in voice chat. Normally, though, we all sit around a big round table and everyone can participate in the conversation.
jokay Wollongong: Yaaay Super transcribers! 
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: /me bows low to Jokay “Super Land Lady!”
AJ Brooks: Although you are welcome to use the local chat as a back channel, know that the guests and I will not necessarily be monitoring it.
AJ Brooks: If you’d like to make sure your questions gets asked, please use Google Moderator.
AJ Brooks: Google Moderator is a online forum where you can post questions, or VOTE on questions that are already posted. Our URL for that is http://bit.ly/vwermod
AJ Brooks: If you forget the URL, you can find it by clicking on the sign behind me to the left and right.
AJ Brooks: So, let go ahead and get started. As you all know, my name is AJ Kelton, AJ Brooks here in SL, and I am the Director, Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 46 on sim, for transcript
AJ Brooks: at Montclair State University in New Jersey. I’m also the founder and chief moderator for the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable.
AJ Brooks: I’ll let each of the guests introduce themselves.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Anthony Fontana: Instructor of Art & Technologist at BGSU
Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): 
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: And co-manager of this virtual space
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): Fleep = Queen Bee
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: Chris Collins of U Cincinnati, where I manage both SL and OpenSim projects. Seven years in SL!
Kali Pizzaro: JK: I am the owner & facilitator of the Islands of jokaydia. I am also the co-founder of Massively Minecraft.
Fleep Tuque: laugh yes, we’re old!
AJ Brooks: do we have Ken with us?
Kali Pizzaro: JK: i support educators and am the gamemistress lol
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): no, Ken cannot hear or say
Kali Pizzaro: of massivley minecraft
Kenny Hubble: i am borked atm
Kenny Hubble: trying to resolve
AJ Brooks: ok
AJ Brooks: 
Kali Pizzaro: WB: i am the founder of ARVEL and work at the uni of idaho
Fleep Tuque: hehe
Kali Pizzaro: and i have a dog
Fletcher Pinion: w00f
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Ken, you do save Kali some typing D
Laural McCallen: Whoo Hoo!!!
jokay Wollongong: cats rule… lolza
Wrenaria Antiesse: WOO(f)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: my cats rule me
Fleep Tuque: Nod he’s having some tech difficulties
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): ok – i have a cat TOO
jokay Wollongong: hehehe j
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Thanks guests, in our 4th year of this event
Bau Ur: Hello, good ZOtarah.
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): /me shuffles feet
Bau Ur: I hope I am not sitting on anyone. Very laggy.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: our focus is intentional “What is likely, what is probable, and what is possible”
Zotarah Shepherd: 49 people here
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): and what is preferable
Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): And feel free to heckle in text chat since AJ isn’t reading it. ;0)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: use Google Moderator for your questions
Claudia13 Rossini: nods to Griz…
Bau Ur:
Fletcher Pinion: I have no access to g-Mod (odd virus i think). Is someone willing to repost for me?
Kali Pizzaro: although be kind to the transcribers
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): like the fine print in a pharmaceutical ad
Fleep Tuque: Ken asking if you can hear now?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: http://bit.ly/vwermod for questions
Kenny Hubble: cannot hear at all – switching machines – continue as you are
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Perhaps Ken can carry on in text chat
Merlin Moonshadow: Woohoo! I finally got voice working!
Kenny Hubble: I’M GOOD!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Let’s get a condensed version of where we are NOW in VWs
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): zen moment
Bau Ur: Thank you, transcriptionists. It’s challenging and tiring to do.
Valiant Westland: Suggest the person without voice type their comments in Local Chat
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: State of the virtual world? Last year in SL really tough
Kali Pizzaro: remember we will be transcribing
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: dropping faculty interest at my uni, even in areas like Minecraft where student interest is high
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: Same for us, with budget problems, etc. BUT
Kali Pizzaro: yep in healthcare
Kali Pizzaro:
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: interest remains in simulations, not merely open-ended exploring
Valiant Westland: Virtual Prototyping and Simulation have huge ROI potential!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: interest has switched to mobile tech…a tough year
Kali Pizzaro: JK: em well i would echo that it has been a hard year
Fleep Tuque: /me nods.
Kali Pizzaro: there has been a lot less prof development and out work has been around health
Kali Pizzaro: in higher ed
Kali Pizzaro: but in the K12
AJ Brooks: Remember to post questions, or vote on questions that are posted, at http://bit.ly/vwermod
Kali Pizzaro: minecraft has taken off and
Kali Pizzaro: teachers are finding ways to do vw despite the problems and challenges
Bau Ur: Hmm. As long as virtual education is to be done *despite* costs, rather than *because* of costs, we’re in trouble.
Kali Pizzaro: there is more sustained teaching
Kali Pizzaro: JK: there is history projects etc and really interesting projects
Kali Pizzaro: WB: same as the rest but
Kali Pizzaro: WB: you know we are at an interesting point in VW
Kali Pizzaro: we are out of time as Sarh Robbins says
Fletcher Pinion: So you could say that in the places where the affordances of VWs make clear sense, there is growth. But less experimentation-for-its-own-sake.
Fleep Tuque: Are Virtual Worlds (still) Relevant in Education?
By Sarah Smith-Robbins / December 2011 http://elearnmag.acm.org/archive.cfm?aid=2078479
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: an abyss, not a trough, I fear
Fleep Tuque: (for reference)
Kali Pizzaro: WB: there is a great need for community etc and we still
Kali Pizzaro: need to get up the slope of enlightenment
Kali Pizzaro: there is a futer in negative and positive virtual spaces
Kali Pizzaro: ways
Kali Pizzaro: for VWS
Fleep Tuque: Sounds good!
Kali Pizzaro: KH: Hi iam here woooo
jokay Wollongong: *cheers for ken*
Birdie Newcomb: and red lines
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: /me claps “Loud and clear”
Valiant Westland: And the crowd goes wild!…..
Kali Pizzaro: KH: thanks all I am the managing director at the Loyalist College in Canada
Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): /me turns down Kenny’s personal volume
Kali Pizzaro: i echo the rest about the troth of disillusionment
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): /me<3 optimism
Kali Pizzaro: we always go through this
Kali Pizzaro: KH: but this is a good time in that we are going to use it the right way now
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): right on
Kali Pizzaro: and mybe limited but more focused
Kali Pizzaro: KH: there is still great outcomes achieved with VW that we
Kali Pizzaro: dont see elsewhere
Kenny Hubble: i love being heard!
Fleep Tuque: hehe
Fletcher Pinion: I remember back in the 1980s the computer game landscape was described as a “zero-billion dollar industry”
Fleep Tuque: hehe hiya Fletcher.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: thanks all! Though our title is long, it is hard to separate them. Did anyone have anything they really want to address?
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): what could happen, what will happen, what we want to happen
Fletcher Pinion: *waves @fleep*
Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): I’ve got two things
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): mixed
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: We had a terrible 6 months in 2011…but now are you positive, negative, or neutral about the next year for us?
Bluesky Larkham: Definitely positive
Merlin Moonshadow: I’m feeling positive; please don’t crush my dreams.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: Three words: “gamification, mobile, and Web”
Claudia13 Rossini: lol
Kenny Hubble: NOOB!
Fleep Tuque: haha
Fleep Tuque:
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): w00t!
AJ Brooks: lol
Xon Emoto:
Fleep Tuque: ( HATE the word gamification even if I have an affinity for some of the concepts)
Claudia13 Rossini: (would never laugh at AJ….unless it’s funny)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: Gamification is huge, with Will Wright on LL’s board
Valiant Westland: As long as the games are tailored to people with an IQ > 70 and graphics that don’t make you want to puke!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: Money is in mobile and
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: “The virtual world you can carry will be the one to win”
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: Positive that this will happen
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: I have a smile on my face when I talk about these three words in VWs
AJ Brooks: Remember to post questions, or vote on questions that are posted, at http://bit.ly/vwermod
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: Hard to separate my personal experience from big picture, but I’d say I have a positive outlook
Kali Pizzaro: simulation
Kali Pizzaro: ;0
Kali Pizzaro: COUGHS
Kali Pizzaro: oops
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: projects I am now working on are more focused, using tech not just for its own sake
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: Faculty understand that they need to improve learning outcomes…they understand better what this tech does well
Kali Pizzaro: the pedagogy
Kali Pizzaro:
Fletcher Pinion: We’re moving beyond the fixed-camera-in-the-theater film into film-making as its own art form. Charlie Chaplin, Sergie Eisenstein days.
Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): gamification gamification gamification
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: I dislike the term “gamification” but understand the need for goals, feedback, and other aspects of it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: If you had one word for the next year? what would it be?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: focus
Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): oooo… good one
Claudia13 Rossini: (very slow progress)
Kali Pizzaro: JW: well i awould say really excited last year was tough but i think we have recovered from the move and tough times
Kali Pizzaro: i have seen a lot of developments of kids and parents
Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): nice
Kali Pizzaro: i am working with kids of 4-16
Kali Pizzaro: JW: i am really seeing how kids learn in communities
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: llllllove that term “culture of tinkering”
Fleep Tuque: (Love hearing the K-12 perspective)
Kali Pizzaro: and this interests me the kids are really amazing
Liana Hubbenfluff: ditto
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): Maker Culture comes to Virtual Learning
Kali Pizzaro: this week a UK kid set up his own server and got others to jjoin in and is now teaching them
Kali Pizzaro: JW: learner control lets get back to being hippies
Fleep Tuque: haha
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Your one word would be “excited?”
Kali Pizzaro: with and sleep is so last year
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): sleep is over rated
Fletcher Pinion: Educator David Warlick says, “We are the first generation in history who knows that we have to prepare our students or a world that we know er can’t imagine!”
Kali Pizzaro: plenty when you are dead
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you people are too young…just you wait 
Kali Pizzaro: does it matter
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Jon?
Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): AJ needs a second clock on his desk for Jo’s timezone.
Kali Pizzaro: WB: transition
AJ Brooks: Remember to post questions, or vote on questions that are posted, at http://bit.ly/vwermod
AJ Brooks: and there are now 5 questions! so be sure to vote
Kali Pizzaro: we are moving into the constant rapid change cycle
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: /me high fives Kali and whispers “Sleep rules”
Kali Pizzaro: WB: i love the idea of community driven but i also see a rpaid transtition of tech in the corporate side
Kali Pizzaro: which is aiming at K12
Kali Pizzaro: change
Kali Pizzaro: not sure it is +ve or _ve
Kali Pizzaro: it is just happpening
Kali Pizzaro: the volume is going to keep increasing and that will put pressure on teaching jobs
Kali Pizzaro: waht are you actually doing?
Kali Pizzaro: I am seeing more researching into practice – applied research
Kali Pizzaro: so you can not hide anymore
Kali Pizzaro: 3rd i think blended VW and games is confusing the issue
Kali Pizzaro: – Are VWs a game?
Kali Pizzaro: maybe that is irrelevant
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Interesting you bring up research
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: On the EDUCAUSE VW constituent group…that nare do well Iggy noted that Ken’s research was the only empirical study often noted
Xon Emoto: Mark Childs from Britain just published interesting results.
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): check out the ARVEL wiki for growing body of research in virtual worlds, augmented reality, and games – as well as emerging technology
Kali Pizzaro: There is quite a lot of research in health
Liana Hubbenfluff: http://jvwresearch.org/
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: It started a good discussion of journals and other research going on
Pathfinder Lester: don’t forget http://www.jvwe.org/
Kali Pizzaro: KH: as you know i am the optimist
Kali Pizzaro: i think my word is neutral
Kali Pizzaro: VWs are still fantastic
Kali Pizzaro: and are great to use to check proof of concept
Kali Pizzaro: K12 really excites me
Kali Pizzaro: and the collaboration
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Yow…54 on the sim for the transcript
AJ Brooks: Remember to post questions, or vote on questions that are posted, at http://bit.ly/vwermod
Kali Pizzaro: although SL can only take you so far
Kali Pizzaro: with community then you have to show outcomes
Kali Pizzaro: KH: my one word is unity3d
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): i was gonna say something about that too!
Fleep Tuque: Me too!
Liana Hubbenfluff: http://unity3d.com/support/
Fleep Tuque: Want to follow up if I can.
Valiant Westland: Web content integration is extremely important…
Claudia13 Rossini: (thank heavens I added extra seats)
Kali Pizzaro: i think this allows us to to have web, etc an this is the way to go
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks for that, Claudia!
Liana Hubbenfluff: lol Claudia… someone can sit on my lap ^^
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: My Q about Unity 3D is about UGC…does this work against what educators are doing?
Kali Pizzaro: KH: it does not work against me
Valiant Westland: Ahhh… the wonder of bias…
Kali Pizzaro: if it works i dont think i would mind i just cant use unity 3d
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: <–my huge fear too.. I can’t code for Unity and have no incentive to learn
Kali Pizzaro: if someone wants to do it for me great
Kali Pizzaro: KH: i hear jibe is moving to content creation
Pathfinder Lester: yep. we’re working on inworld Jibe content creation tools. mesh-based ones.
Kali Pizzaro: so maybe this will move things
Valiant Westland: Hey Pathfinder!
Claudia13 Rossini: don’t look at me…i can’t code at all
Pathfinder Lester: more info about Jibe: http://bit.ly/AboutJibe
Pathfinder Lester: heya Claudia!
Kali Pizzaro: KH: i think the virtual world and games are becoming blended
Claudia13 Rossini: Hey Path!
Kali Pizzaro: and the transition is happening
Kali Pizzaro: KH: this arena allow us to test ideas
Valiant Westland: There has to be an ROI component….
Kali Pizzaro: with little money
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): don’t forget kinesthetic!
Liana Hubbenfluff: yesss!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: to the audience, I hope you know what a great panel we have
Valiant Westland: Six?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Some of the smartest folks I know
Zotarah Shepherd: 6 people – you too AJ
Birdie Newcomb: we do
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): movement of our bodies will be increasingly a big deal as an interface
Shailey Garfield: Yes indeed. Thank you, AJ
Kenny Hubble: we accept lindens
AJ Brooks: “Our students no longer bring desktops to campus. Soon some of them won’t even bring laptops. What future do virtual worlds with rich user-generated content have on mobile devices?”
Wrenaria Antiesse: include yourself in that list, AJ! <3
Kali Pizzaro: hey Shailey waves
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Iggy asks “”Our students no longer bring desktops to campus. Soon some of them won’t even bring laptops. What future do virtual worlds with rich user-generated content have on mobile devices?”"
Kenny Hubble: I got a tip!
Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): I like the question, but did they ever bring desktops to campus??
Claudia13 Rossini: (an excellent future…Moore’s Law)
Pathfinder Lester: Jibe works on tablets/phones now. Android for now. iOS coming. https://market.android.com/details?id=com.ReactionGrid.JibeAndroid
Bau Ur: Miami University in Oxford OH briefly required students to have laptops. It never worked well.
AJ Brooks: Make sure to add or, especially – VOTE for the questions that are posted. http://bit.ly/vwermod
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: Following Kenney’s remarks, we built an art gallery in Unity, and we’ll soon put it on a mobile device as an app
Delenn Daines: maybe they brought them to the dorms
Kali Pizzaro: tuts
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: tablet and phones are improving and we’ll see more
Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): We’re putting that art gallery on the web too, as a virtual space. (for the transcript)
Kali Pizzaro: I hope we dont move completely or we will never have this meeting again
Kavon Zenovka: I think maybe we have figured out the VW ed community doesn’t live and die with SL.
Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): Thanks Ignatius for doing the transcription!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: To follow up on Ken’s remarks, note how, so far, we have not talked much at all about SL. We do maintain a virtual campus, but our focus has moved to OpenSim for projects like the ones we noted and are looking at both Unity and Jibe
Kali Pizzaro: i will miss you all
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: but I don’t want to use VW tech richly on my mobile device
Claudia13 Rossini: i’ll never leave my sim Kali…so you’re at least stuck with me
Valiant Westland: Kinnect Rocks!
Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): #w00t Kinect
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: except to check in quickly. Our research is to look at the other direction..with devices such as Kinect
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): EEG controllers will be coming up soon too
Kali Pizzaro: psychomotor skills
AJ Brooks: “At he FCVW conference last May, David Smith voiced the conviction that the web – the current www with additional capabilities like WebGL, HTML5, Collada – would be the future of virtual worlds. Would you agree?”
Fleep Tuque: Federal consortium
Fleep Tuque: nod
Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): Agreed.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: Mobile is not the end-all. Some things about VWs do not work well on mobile
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): open source kits for EEG interface controllers are out
Pathfinder Lester: http://www.ndu.edu/iCollege/fcvw/
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Xon’s Q: “”At he FCVW conference last May, David Smith voiced the conviction that the web – the current www with additional capabilities like WebGL, HTML5, Collada – would be the future of virtual worlds. Would you agree?”
Kali Pizzaro: JW: i am going to say sometimes but not always
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: what do you think?
Kali Pizzaro: WB: mmm i would agree with Jo
Kali Pizzaro: KH: i can see html5 rocks but not always
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): html5 …. mmmm
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: I’ll pass on that
Fleep Tuque: (Sorry I confess I was catching up on backchat and missed the question. Hehe.)
Kali Pizzaro: ha
Kenny Hubble: you don’t now!
Xon Emoto: correct, that was the context.
AJ Brooks: We will NOT be able to get to all the questions, so please be sure to VOTE for your favorites! http://bit.ly/vwermod
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: The quote you mentioned, states that Web client will improve enough to jump from 2D to 3D smoothly.
Kali Pizzaro: yep i agree or maybe you won’t need the device ;0
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): the vision of the federated multiverse has been bandied around for at least as long as Neuromancer
AJ Brooks: “What role does the educational community see for private sector VARs (Value Added Resellers), to help move the use Virtual Worlds in Education forward?”
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Jon, so has cheap space travel. I wonder about plateaus here, too
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Valiant Westland asks “What role does the educational community see for private sector VARs (Value Added Resellers), to help move the use Virtual Worlds in Education forward?”
Paul Emery (casias.falta): he wants to know is there is a market
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Valiant says “not any embracing of VWs by the community of manufacturers I represent”
Ellie Brewster: Vushi System – Texas
Kali Pizzaro: JW: i am going to point at the minecraft community
Kali Pizzaro: this is where the tech resellers are
Larysa Nadolny (larysa.freenote): vushi is only SL right now, correct?
Kali Pizzaro: they are very successfully repackaging
Ellie Brewster: yes
Kali Pizzaro: JW: so i can buy my cheap server and set myself up
Fleep Tuque: Nod I guess the Opensim grids and the bits of content for sale is the closest comparison but.. it’s still very niche.
Kali Pizzaro: opensim is nearly there but still a bit hard to use
Kali Pizzaro: so the minecraft community is an area to aim at
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: When VWER had its own Sim, we had some great tenants
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Frank Ireton built a great space-themed build for us
Kali Pizzaro: I think the fact that many educators have no budget and are still trying to use VW with no money or set time
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: what if NASA had OARs to download for teachers who could load the International Space Station?
Fleep Tuque: heh
Kenny Hubble: lol
Fleep Tuque: (Don’t get me started on the glitches with clickers) ;p)
Valiant Westland: As a VAR, we would love to see OpenSim or something similar offered in the same way as SharePoint, Exchange, etc. Plus the “Packaged Content” just mentioned!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Why don’t we see more of this? Why not bungle VW tech with books and other edu materials?
AJ Brooks: “With 181 grids (other than SL) created and only 84 are sparsely populated, how does an educator (teachers) keep up with all of the hopping around to different grids due to the institute’s budget? Some have limited time to learn new technology?”
Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): but textbooks are moving to the mobile app format
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Praxislady asks “With 181 grids (other than SL) created and only 84 are sparsely populated, how does an educator (teachers) keep up with all of the hopping around to different grids due to the institute’s budget? Some have limited time to learn new technology?”
Kali Pizzaro: agree
Pathfinder Lester: lol
Pathfinder Lester: HEY!
Xon Emoto:
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): ditto
Pathfinder Lester: ya!
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): oh yeah
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: I stopped jumping…I just read John Lester’s blog
Kali Pizzaro: JW: i would say yeah to path for the hypergird
Pathfinder Lester: details about today’s meeting: http://becunningandfulloftricks.com/2012/01/04/the-hypergrid-adventurers-club-reloaded/
Kali Pizzaro: club
Jarrad Voom: raises his hand
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: FLeep: no cost associated with hypergrid
Valiant Westland: That’s another factor in the no-profit scenario for resellers… there is no real market force to aid in “natural selection” of Best Practices and Solutions…
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: you just have to find content by finding the best Web sites and blogs
Kali Pizzaro: I think time is the problem and the fact that you need to stick to one place to teach and teach your students one VW is more than enough
Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): I want to talk about second life for at least one minute AJ
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: Hypergrid is an open-source version of the SL server
Kenny Hubble: he doesn’t ;P
Paul Emery (casias.falta): dont forget osgrid which is different from opensim itself
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: for setting up your own grids on your own hardware
Larysa Nadolny (larysa.freenote): back to the ready made items issue (oars and such), I’m giving away the things we create from my NSF grant. Including the final oar file (later in spring)
Liana Hubbenfluff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperlinks_in_virtual_worlds
Fletcher Pinion: Sometimes less is more in terms of capabilities
Paul Emery (casias.falta): osgrid would be a place to start to try out opensim
Larysa Nadolny (larysa.freenote): http://www.drnadolny.com/opensim-inventory.html
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: but it lacks the centralized tools that SL has
Liana Hubbenfluff: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Hypergrid
Kali Pizzaro: that still costs money though Fleep
Kali Pizzaro:
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: but we are moving from SL to OpenSim because it costs less, and has more control
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): for edu researchers, the ARVEL SuperNews might help goo.gl/XHo9f
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: cost no barrier to hypergrid
Thynka Little: but you do need to build all of your own content there.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: 2 minute warning. But I’ll do a wrap up
Delenn Daines: got to go hypergridding with path at4pm est
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: /me can stay a bit longer
Pathfinder Lester: Diva Canto (the creator of the Hypergrid protocols) recently wrote a great overview of “what is the hypergrid?” http://www.computer.org/portal/web/computingnow/1111/whatsnew/internetcomputing
Larysa Nadolny (larysa.freenote): opensim creations is another great place for free stuff for opensim
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): Let’s not get caught on the Wrong Side of the Transition, k?
Valiant Westland: Until I can take my Avatar (Identity) everywhere… neither OpenSim nor Hypergrid hold much interest for many professionals and those in the business sector.
Claudia13 Rossini: until i can take my entire inventory as well as my av from grid to grid…
Kali Pizzaro: sorry crashed there
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: I look forward to having you talk more next year, ken, about the Unity 3D work
Kali Pizzaro: WB: i think these are very exciting times
Kali Pizzaro: theresearch has informed the community
Kali Pizzaro: the mobile tech are great
Kali Pizzaro: and there is a lot going on in VWs
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Ken: We will be moving out of SL completely at Loyalist by December, and moving to Unity 3D
Kali Pizzaro: thanks Iggy
Kali Pizzaro: WB: the skilled brilliant people will
Kali Pizzaro: still create great work
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Ken: To our pessimists, always darkest before the dawn. This revolution only beginning
Kali Pizzaro: JW: I am feeling pretty positive
Kali Pizzaro: 2012 is going to be about the best tools for the job
Kali Pizzaro: including VW
Kali Pizzaro: SL is not the focus but we have freedom to explore lots of places and we are on the edge of the horizon!
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): — and i think 2012 will hold some new innovations that will ROCK our world even more
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: I’m also positive about the future…the focus will be less on a specific platform than on how we can bring together various technologies. My focus more on helping faculty and students learn
Kenny Hubble: kinect + VW + mobile + games = awesome
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): don’t forget the food and spirits!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: About SL…we’ll be at BGSU until at least April 2013.
Kenny Hubble: all voice chat problems today aside
Fleep Tuque: Hah!
Fleep Tuque:
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): ahem
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: Linden Lab is working on new projects. Stability may be coming, at last. I remain excited to watch what LL does in future and to make a new product
Valiant Westland: Now if they would just give up Vivox and adopt Skype, I would be thrilled!
Kali Pizzaro: although i get problems with skype
Kali Pizzaro:
Fleep Tuque: Nope
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): no
Claudia13 Rossini: (we need the equivalent of Jobs, and Woz before VW’s really take off)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: What they develop may not excite educators, but there is no other platform like Second Life
Fleep Tuque: Hadn’t heard that. That would be hilarious.
Kenny Hubble: godaddy?
Thynka Little: to promote vampire experiences?
Xon Emoto: lol
Pathfinder Lester: Thynka, lol
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): ha @Thynka
Kali Pizzaro: wooo
Fleep Tuque: rofl Thynka
Valiant Westland: Anyone remember the WOW esque Coke Commercial at the Superbowl two years ago?
Liana Hubbenfluff: thank you sooooo much!!!!
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): awww
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): you too brother
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I can give you 15 more minutes (irony–I gamemaster on Th nights now!)
Kenny Hubble: <—-sheds a tear
Laural McCallen: Thank you so much!
Fleep Tuque: Aww thanks AJ, and the panel!
Pathfinder Lester: i think the future is in vampire pets. take 2 popular things, combine, PROFIT
Xon Emoto: Thanks to everybody on the panel, sharing your insight, great talk! and thanks also to the people transcribing, this is so helpful!
Fleep Tuque: (And the audience!)
jokay Wollongong: Awww AJ… right back at ya! As our little miners would say, you’re awesum
Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks for the great panel and questions
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the nerds will kill me if I’m too late
Fletcher Pinion: You guys r the wright bros, glen curtis, and charles Lockheed.
Shailey Garfield: Thanks very much to AJ and to the panel.
Kali Pizzaro: needs to stand my bum is sore
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): Go St. Iggy!
Kali Pizzaro: stretches
Anastasios Aurotharius: Thankyou everyone…this has been fascinating
Tori Landau: Been very informative, ty so much
Claudia13 Rossini: lol…wear armor Iggy
Mojave Shepherd: Thank you very much! Outstanding conversation
Pathfinder Lester: great panel. sorry i missed the first half. you guys are doing brilliant work.
Kali Pizzaro: met each other here
Fleep Tuque: Yes of course, we all met each other here.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL Claudia. I’m the skinny guy in the fat-guy room. I’d need an M-1 Abrams
Pathfinder Lester: /me bites his tongue
Kali Pizzaro: beat me too it fleep
Valiant Westland: Were they invited specifically this time?
Fleep Tuque: Agree 100% Ken.
Ellie Brewster: hear hear
Mojave Shepherd: Good point
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: /me sings “where have all the Lindens gone?”
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): no one is listening, it’s ok
Xon Emoto: It was on the list.
Valiant Westland: Did the invite come as an email, in-world message, etc?
jokay Wollongong: good point Kenny
Kali Pizzaro: yep
Claudia13 Rossini: let me know if you need amo Iggy…i figure 2 prims per bullet plus a good script
Kali Pizzaro: facebook
Pathfinder Lester: Terrence left LL a while ago
Kali Pizzaro: etc
Thynka Little: Rodvik hangs in Twitter, and pays attention.
Pathfinder Lester: tell them it’s a panel about vampires and pets. maybe they’ll come then?
Valiant Westland: Truth Thynka
Claudia13 Rossini: lol Path
jokay Wollongong: Lolz Path
Xon Emoto: LOL
Thynka Little: well, that says a lot!
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): we all meet in a big hottub
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL Path! You forget the Gorean Kajirae
Pathfinder Lester: Iggy, good point
Claudia13 Rossini: omg. Gor…….
Kali Pizzaro: that is in the green room Jon
Kali Pizzaro:
Fletcher Pinion: We pose neither opportunity nor threat
Kenny Hubble: i totally miss GOR – i need to go hunting again
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Claudia, I bought good stuff from Trident. He keeps the doors open by selling to the Goreans
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: OpenSim can change things, but it helps if you are a programmer
Xon Emoto: Sad’s the word.
jokay Wollongong: Absolutely agrees
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): Second Life is where our careers and friendships were forged
Claudia13 Rossini: nods to Iggy….
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: had long lamentation about why Lindens do not come to meetings
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes it was
Valiant Westland: Fleep… would you agree that the technology needs to be mainstream for real adoption?
Kali Pizzaro: yep
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: edu community in SL is not strong now, as it was a few years ago
Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): @Valiant I don’t. Look at the adoption of Minecraft among students
L1Aura Loire: Luckily we don’t need to keep land or invest in resources in the same way in order to keep up with people
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: LL had folks who worked hard, but it’s changed. Sad that this changed.
Kali Pizzaro: yep i am interested but need help form tech
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): everything that rises… must converge
Kali Pizzaro: frm
Pathfinder Lester: beautiful summary, Fleep
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: SL and OpenSim cannot do everything. We look at Unity 3D for other possibilities and retain a focus on learning
Fleep Tuque: hehe
Kali Pizzaro: JW: i agree i have had all those emotions but all these
Fletcher Pinion: Focus on learning experience – absolutely
Fleep Tuque: Yes, the connections persist across the metaverse,.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Lalo Telling calls SL “the Old Country”
Paul Emery (casias.falta): i want to mention again that http://www.osgrid.org/ is part of a good way to get into opensimulator technology
Kenny Hubble: exactly Jo, it’s where we started
Claudia13 Rossini: education, unfortunately, tends to be last on most lists…howecer the great tech comes, usually, from universities
Kali Pizzaro: connections and work has allowed us to form these relationships
Kali Pizzaro: but lets just use what tools is best for the job
Claudia13 Rossini: (as in ignore edu at your own peril)
Fleep Tuque: laugh
Valiant Westland: AOHell !
Kali Pizzaro: with Claudia are you mad
Fletcher Pinion: YUP!
Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): If SL is the VW version of AOL, then I’m waiting for the VW version of gmail
Kali Pizzaro:
Pathfinder Lester: perhaps SL is like the “old country”…where VW dreams and communities began, and then it all leaves to grow into something more somewhere else…
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: I was the first I think to say this, and I got into a fight with Claudia Linden but I said “SL will be the AOL of virtual worlds”
Fleep Tuque: laugh Grizzla, me too.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: remember BBSes, anyone??
Fletcher Pinion: What about Compuserv? 
Claudia13 Rossini: <—diff Claudia…good person (though mean and evil)
Kali Pizzaro: oh yeah lol
Kali Pizzaro: hehe
Fleep Tuque: /me still BBSs with the same group every day, going on 20 years now).
Valiant Westland: My 1st Internet email address was on CompuServe ~ 75140,1147@compuserve.com
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: /me misses “Geopoliticks” on the local BBS
Fletcher Pinion: Iggy, that modem buzz still rings…
Pathfinder Lester: ATDT…
Kali Pizzaro: i love you alll
Kali Pizzaro: hehe
Fletcher Pinion: heh
Kali Pizzaro: hugs the group
Kali Pizzaro: woooooooo
Pathfinder Lester: NO CARRIER
Kenny Hubble: BUT dependant on what we did in SL
Fleep Tuque: hahah
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: that was the same group of nerds I gamemaster every week
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): 2400 baud
Kali Pizzaro: ha
Fletcher Pinion: 2400 baud rocked
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: I think that LL could go along the same around at AOL
Valiant Westland: Still have a Hayes SmartModem in my collection…
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): got me out of Northern Montana and into the World
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: I will e-mail our panelists the other Qs and will post them to VWER
Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Great idea
Claudia13 Rossini: is the VWER webpage fixed?
Kali Pizzaro: noope
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: VWs don’t do some things well (answering Paul) and virtual campuses were not a good use of the technology
Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): not exactly
Kali Pizzaro: we need people
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: Not best as a 3D Web site to show off a virtual campus
Kali Pizzaro: folk dont want to be alone
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): situated contexts
Fletcher Pinion: standard techn adoption curve – first you replicate the fmamiliar
Claudia13 Rossini: exactly Kali
Kali Pizzaro: that s the way i have always used it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: but we use a cardiac arrest simulation really well
Kali Pizzaro: and have folk diss me for it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: it’s cheaper, focused, and has immediate use
Kali Pizzaro: simulation is not new
Kali Pizzaro: in healthcare
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: ROI is excellent for these simulations
Kali Pizzaro:
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Kali, it is in literature
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): procedural learning in context
Fleep Tuque: laugh! I remember that too.
Kali Pizzaro: KH: i agree with Fleeop
ChrisG Techsan: application of knowledge
Praxislady Witt: Pivot is a great simulator technology
Fletcher Pinion: it’s always been bout the affordances
Kali Pizzaro: KH: how you use te tedch is the key
Fleep Tuque: Case Western
Fleep Tuque: nod
Fleep Tuque: Virtual campus tours, nod.
Kali Pizzaro: there was always someone in the areas that work
Kali Pizzaro: KH: you need to select the right project
Valiant Westland: Great session! Got to fly… Thank you for answering the questions!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Ken, those are the most important Qs…you need backup and rewards for faculty
Kali Pizzaro: in som many cases good ideas but no follow true
Fleep Tuque: Thanks os much Valiant great to see you.
Kali Pizzaro: KH: we are going to have tutorial mode but the aim is the same
Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): Thanks everyone!
Kali Pizzaro: the students still need to see the value
Kali Pizzaro: to engage
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: my pleasure…what a great panel even on “Nerd Night
Fleep Tuque: Thank so much to the audience for great questions and the transcripters.
Merlin Moonshadow: Thanks, everyone!
Ellie Brewster: Good session, thanks!
Oronoque Westland: thanks so much to you all
Mojave Shepherd: Thank you all! Very interesting session.
Kenny Hubble: Thanks AJ, panelists, and audience members!
Paul Emery (casias.falta): how about a slurl
Pathfinder Lester: thank you for the kind words
Fleep Tuque: Great to see so many familiar faces too!
Mojave Shepherd: and keep up the good works!!
Claird Loon: Thank you all!
Samantha Chester (sam55.chester): Great session guys
Kali Pizzaro: cheers
Kali Pizzaro: folks
Laural McCallen: Thank you so much!
D’lightful (delightful.doowangle): Terrific, thanks!
Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): thanks everyone – gotta head to the next meeting! Super to do this again!
Kali Pizzaro: yep
Samantha Chester (sam55.chester): thanks Iggy and Kali and Grixxla
Thynka Little: thank you!
jokay Wollongong: Thanks everyone… gotta dash off and put my HG backpack on!
Frankie Antonelli: Great panel, many thanks for the wonderful session!
Fletcher Pinion: thanks, all!
Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks AJ
