1/5/12: Possible, Probable, & Preferable Future of Education in Virtual Worlds

January 5th, 2012 | Posted by iggy in Transcripts

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Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable January 5, 2012

Topic: Annual Meeting on “Possible, Probable, and Preferable Future of Education in Virtual Worlds”

Photos by Grizzla and Wrenaria. Join our VWER groups at Flickr and Koinup to add your own pictures!

AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to a annual meeting of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable. “Possible, Probable, and Preferable Future of Education in Virtual Worlds”

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): maybe quick relog

Fleep Tuque: Ok Jon

Fleep Tuque: Think Ken did the same

AJ Brooks: ken, jon – if you want to relog, now is a good time to try

AJ Brooks: Our special guests today are: Anthony Fontana (AnthonyFontana Chevalier), Chris Collins (Fleep Tuque), Joanna Kay (JoKay), Jonathon Richter (Wainbrave Bernal), and Ken Hudson (Kenny Hubble)

Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): hola

AJ Brooks: The VWER meets each Thursday at 11:30am SLT for an hour and is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.

AJ Brooks: Our group has met every week for nearly four years and we get a wide variety of educators, from seasoned veterans to the newly rezzed.

Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): #woot

AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we will be keeping and publishing a transcript of what is said in local chat. If you’ve not seen our transcripts, you should check them out – they are an excellent information asset

jokay Wollongong: Woot Woot VWER!

AJ Brooks: and a great historical reference. Via our web site, they are also searchable. The transcripts can be found at http://www.vwer.org – select the LIBRARY tab at the top.

Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): that happens

AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable continues to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.

AJ Brooks: Please join the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable group here in SL. If you are on Facebook, please join our group there – Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable.

AJ Brooks: You can also find and post pictures to our Flickr group and follow us on Twitter @VWER. When you blog or tweet, please remember to include the tag #vwer

AJ Brooks: (its important not to forget to include the #)

AJ Brooks: One thing you will notice today is that we have transcribers who will capture the essences of what our guests and I are saying and post it into the public chat.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yep

AJ Brooks: This is for those who are not using voice chat as well as for our transcripts.

AJ Brooks: Occasionally we have a special meeting like this one, in voice chat. Normally, though, we all sit around a big round table and everyone can participate in the conversation.

jokay Wollongong: Yaaay Super transcribers! πŸ˜‰

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: /me bows low to Jokay “Super Land Lady!”

AJ Brooks: Although you are welcome to use the local chat as a back channel, know that the guests and I will not necessarily be monitoring it.

AJ Brooks: If you’d like to make sure your questions gets asked, please use Google Moderator.

AJ Brooks: Google Moderator is a online forum where you can post questions, or VOTE on questions that are already posted. Our URL for that is http://bit.ly/vwermod

AJ Brooks: If you forget the URL, you can find it by clicking on the sign behind me to the left and right.

AJ Brooks: So, let go ahead and get started. As you all know, my name is AJ Kelton, AJ Brooks here in SL, and I am the Director, Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 46 on sim, for transcript

AJ Brooks: at Montclair State University in New Jersey. I’m also the founder and chief moderator for the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable.

AJ Brooks: I’ll let each of the guests introduce themselves.


Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Anthony Fontana: Instructor of Art & Technologist at BGSU

Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): πŸ™‚

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: And co-manager of this virtual space

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): Fleep = Queen Bee


Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: Chris Collins of U Cincinnati, where I manage both SL and OpenSim projects. Seven years in SL!


Kali Pizzaro: JK: I am the owner & facilitator of the Islands of jokaydia. I am also the co-founder of Massively Minecraft.

Fleep Tuque: laugh yes, we’re old! πŸ™‚

AJ Brooks: do we have Ken with us?

Kali Pizzaro: JK: i support educators and am the gamemistress lol

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): no, Ken cannot hear or say

Kali Pizzaro: of massivley minecraft

Kenny Hubble: i am borked atm

Kenny Hubble: trying to resolve

AJ Brooks: ok

AJ Brooks: πŸ™


Kali Pizzaro: WB: i am the founder of ARVEL and work at the uni of idaho

Fleep Tuque: hehe

Kali Pizzaro: and i have a dog πŸ˜‰

Fletcher Pinion: w00f

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Ken, you do save Kali some typing :)D

Laural McCallen: Whoo Hoo!!!

jokay Wollongong: cats rule… lolza πŸ˜‰

Wrenaria Antiesse: WOO(f)

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: my cats rule me

Fleep Tuque: Nod he’s having some tech difficulties

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): ok – i have a cat TOO πŸ™‚

jokay Wollongong: hehehe j πŸ˜‰


Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Thanks guests, in our 4th year of this event

Bau Ur: Hello, good ZOtarah.

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): /me shuffles feet

Bau Ur: I hope I am not sitting on anyone. Very laggy.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: our focus is intentional “What is likely, what is probable, and what is possible”

Zotarah Shepherd: 49 people here

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): and what is preferable πŸ™‚

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): And feel free to heckle in text chat since AJ isn’t reading it. ;0)

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: use Google Moderator for your questions

Claudia13 Rossini: nods to Griz…

Bau Ur: πŸ™‚

Fletcher Pinion: I have no access to g-Mod (odd virus i think). Is someone willing to repost for me?

Kali Pizzaro: although be kind to the transcribers

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): like the fine print in a pharmaceutical ad

Fleep Tuque: Ken asking if you can hear now?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: http://bit.ly/vwermod for questions

Kenny Hubble: cannot hear at all – switching machines – continue as you are

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Perhaps Ken can carry on in text chat

Merlin Moonshadow: Woohoo! I finally got voice working!

Kenny Hubble: I’M GOOD!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Let’s get a condensed version of where we are NOW in VWs

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): zen moment

Bau Ur: Thank you, transcriptionists. It’s challenging and tiring to do.

Valiant Westland: Suggest the person without voice type their comments in Local Chat

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: State of the virtual world? Last year in SL really tough

Kali Pizzaro: remember we will be transcribing

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: dropping faculty interest at my uni, even in areas like Minecraft where student interest is high

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: Same for us, with budget problems, etc. BUT

Kali Pizzaro: yep in healthcare

Kali Pizzaro: πŸ˜‰

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: interest remains in simulations, not merely open-ended exploring

Valiant Westland: Virtual Prototyping and Simulation have huge ROI potential!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: interest has switched to mobile tech…a tough year

Kali Pizzaro: JK: em well i would echo that it has been a hard year

Fleep Tuque: /me nods.

Kali Pizzaro: there has been a lot less prof development and out work has been around health

Kali Pizzaro: in higher ed

Kali Pizzaro: but in the K12

AJ Brooks: Remember to post questions, or vote on questions that are posted, at http://bit.ly/vwermod

Kali Pizzaro: minecraft has taken off and

Kali Pizzaro: teachers are finding ways to do vw despite the problems and challenges

Bau Ur: Hmm. As long as virtual education is to be done *despite* costs, rather than *because* of costs, we’re in trouble.

Kali Pizzaro: there is more sustained teaching

Kali Pizzaro: JK: there is history projects etc and really interesting projects

Kali Pizzaro: WB: same as the rest but

Kali Pizzaro: WB: you know we are at an interesting point in VW

Kali Pizzaro: we are out of time as Sarh Robbins says

Fletcher Pinion: So you could say that in the places where the affordances of VWs make clear sense, there is growth. But less experimentation-for-its-own-sake.

Fleep Tuque: Are Virtual Worlds (still) Relevant in Education?

By Sarah Smith-Robbins / December 2011 http://elearnmag.acm.org/archive.cfm?aid=2078479

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: an abyss, not a trough, I fear πŸ™

Fleep Tuque: (for reference)

Kali Pizzaro: WB: there is a great need for community etc and we still

Kali Pizzaro: need to get up the slope of enlightenment

Kali Pizzaro: there is a futer in negative and positive virtual spaces

Kali Pizzaro: ways

Kali Pizzaro: for VWS

Fleep Tuque: Sounds good!

Kali Pizzaro: KH: Hi iam here woooo

jokay Wollongong: *cheers for ken* πŸ˜‰

Birdie Newcomb: and red lines

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: /me claps “Loud and clear”

Valiant Westland: And the crowd goes wild!…..


Kali Pizzaro: KH: thanks all I am the managing director at the Loyalist College in Canada

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): /me turns down Kenny’s personal volume

Kali Pizzaro: i echo the rest about the troth of disillusionment

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): /me<3 optimism

Kali Pizzaro: we always go through this

Kali Pizzaro: KH: but this is a good time in that we are going to use it the right way now

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): right on

Kali Pizzaro: and mybe limited but more focused

Kali Pizzaro: KH: there is still great outcomes achieved with VW that we

Kali Pizzaro: dont see elsewhere

Kenny Hubble: i love being heard!

Fleep Tuque: hehe

Fletcher Pinion: I remember back in the 1980s the computer game landscape was described as a “zero-billion dollar industry”

Fleep Tuque: hehe hiya Fletcher. πŸ™‚

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: thanks all! Though our title is long, it is hard to separate them. Did anyone have anything they really want to address?

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): what could happen, what will happen, what we want to happen

Fletcher Pinion: *waves @fleep*

Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): I’ve got two things

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): mixed

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: We had a terrible 6 months in 2011…but now are you positive, negative, or neutral about the next year for us?

Bluesky Larkham: Definitely positive

Merlin Moonshadow: I’m feeling positive; please don’t crush my dreams. πŸ˜‰

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: Three words: “gamification, mobile, and Web”

Claudia13 Rossini: lol

Kenny Hubble: NOOB!

Fleep Tuque: haha

Fleep Tuque: πŸ™‚

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): w00t!

AJ Brooks: lol

Xon Emoto: πŸ™‚

Fleep Tuque: ( HATE the word gamification even if I have an affinity for some of the concepts)

Claudia13 Rossini: (would never laugh at AJ….unless it’s funny)

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: Gamification is huge, with Will Wright on LL’s board

Valiant Westland: As long as the games are tailored to people with an IQ > 70 and graphics that don’t make you want to puke!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: Money is in mobile and

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: “The virtual world you can carry will be the one to win”

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: Positive that this will happen

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: I have a smile on my face when I talk about these three words in VWs

AJ Brooks: Remember to post questions, or vote on questions that are posted, at http://bit.ly/vwermod


Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: Hard to separate my personal experience from big picture, but I’d say I have a positive outlook

Kali Pizzaro: simulation

Kali Pizzaro: ;0

Kali Pizzaro: COUGHS

Kali Pizzaro: oops

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: projects I am now working on are more focused, using tech not just for its own sake

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: Faculty understand that they need to improve learning outcomes…they understand better what this tech does well

Kali Pizzaro: the pedagogy

Kali Pizzaro: πŸ˜‰

Fletcher Pinion: We’re moving beyond the fixed-camera-in-the-theater film into film-making as its own art form. Charlie Chaplin, Sergie Eisenstein days.

Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): gamification gamification gamification πŸ™‚

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: I dislike the term “gamification” but understand the need for goals, feedback, and other aspects of it

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: If you had one word for the next year? what would it be?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: focus

Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): oooo… good one

Claudia13 Rossini: (very slow progress)

Kali Pizzaro: JW: well i awould say really excited last year was tough but i think we have recovered from the move and tough times

Kali Pizzaro: i have seen a lot of developments of kids and parents

Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): nice

Kali Pizzaro: i am working with kids of 4-16

Kali Pizzaro: JW: i am really seeing how kids learn in communities

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: llllllove that term “culture of tinkering”

Fleep Tuque: (Love hearing the K-12 perspective)

Kali Pizzaro: and this interests me the kids are really amazing

Liana Hubbenfluff: ditto

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): Maker Culture comes to Virtual Learning

Kali Pizzaro: this week a UK kid set up his own server and got others to jjoin in and is now teaching them

Kali Pizzaro: JW: learner control lets get back to being hippies

Fleep Tuque: haha

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Your one word would be “excited?”

Kali Pizzaro: with and sleep is so last year

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): sleep is over rated

Fletcher Pinion: Educator David Warlick says, “We are the first generation in history who knows that we have to prepare our students or a world that we know er can’t imagine!”

Kali Pizzaro: plenty when you are dead

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you people are too young…just you wait πŸ˜€

Kali Pizzaro: does it matter

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Jon?


Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): AJ needs a second clock on his desk for Jo’s timezone.

Kali Pizzaro: WB: transition

AJ Brooks: Remember to post questions, or vote on questions that are posted, at http://bit.ly/vwermod

AJ Brooks: and there are now 5 questions! so be sure to vote

Kali Pizzaro: we are moving into the constant rapid change cycle

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: /me high fives Kali and whispers “Sleep rules”

Kali Pizzaro: WB: i love the idea of community driven but i also see a rpaid transtition of tech in the corporate side

Kali Pizzaro: which is aiming at K12

Kali Pizzaro: change

Kali Pizzaro: not sure it is +ve or _ve

Kali Pizzaro: it is just happpening

Kali Pizzaro: the volume is going to keep increasing and that will put pressure on teaching jobs

Kali Pizzaro: waht are you actually doing?

Kali Pizzaro: I am seeing more researching into practice – applied research

Kali Pizzaro: so you can not hide anymore

Kali Pizzaro: 3rd i think blended VW and games is confusing the issue

Kali Pizzaro: – Are VWs a game?

Kali Pizzaro: maybe that is irrelevant

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Interesting you bring up research

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: On the EDUCAUSE VW constituent group…that nare do well Iggy noted that Ken’s research was the only empirical study often noted

Xon Emoto: Mark Childs from Britain just published interesting results.

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): check out the ARVEL wiki for growing body of research in virtual worlds, augmented reality, and games – as well as emerging technology

Kali Pizzaro: There is quite a lot of research in health

Liana Hubbenfluff: http://jvwresearch.org/

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: It started a good discussion of journals and other research going on

Pathfinder Lester: don’t forget http://www.jvwe.org/


Kali Pizzaro: KH: as you know i am the optimist

Kali Pizzaro: i think my word is neutral

Kali Pizzaro: VWs are still fantastic

Kali Pizzaro: and are great to use to check proof of concept

Kali Pizzaro: K12 really excites me

Kali Pizzaro: and the collaboration

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Yow…54 on the sim for the transcript

AJ Brooks: Remember to post questions, or vote on questions that are posted, at http://bit.ly/vwermod

Kali Pizzaro: although SL can only take you so far

Kali Pizzaro: with community then you have to show outcomes

Kali Pizzaro: KH: my one word is unity3d

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): i was gonna say something about that too!

Fleep Tuque: Me too! πŸ˜‰

Liana Hubbenfluff: http://unity3d.com/support/

Fleep Tuque: Want to follow up if I can. πŸ™‚

Valiant Westland: Web content integration is extremely important…

Claudia13 Rossini: (thank heavens I added extra seats)

Kali Pizzaro: i think this allows us to to have web, etc an this is the way to go

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks for that, Claudia!

Liana Hubbenfluff: lol Claudia… someone can sit on my lap ^^

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: My Q about Unity 3D is about UGC…does this work against what educators are doing?

Kali Pizzaro: KH: it does not work against me

Valiant Westland: Ahhh… the wonder of bias…

Kali Pizzaro: if it works i dont think i would mind i just cant use unity 3d

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: <–my huge fear too.. I can’t code for Unity and have no incentive to learn

Kali Pizzaro: if someone wants to do it for me great

Kali Pizzaro: KH: i hear jibe is moving to content creation

Pathfinder Lester: yep. we’re working on inworld Jibe content creation tools. mesh-based ones.

Kali Pizzaro: so maybe this will move things

Valiant Westland: Hey Pathfinder!

Claudia13 Rossini: don’t look at me…i can’t code at all

Pathfinder Lester: more info about Jibe: http://bit.ly/AboutJibe

Pathfinder Lester: heya Claudia!

Kali Pizzaro: KH: i think the virtual world and games are becoming blended

Claudia13 Rossini: Hey Path!

Kali Pizzaro: and the transition is happening


Kali Pizzaro: KH: this arena allow us to test ideas

Valiant Westland: There has to be an ROI component….

Kali Pizzaro: with little money

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): don’t forget kinesthetic!

Liana Hubbenfluff: yesss!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: to the audience, I hope you know what a great panel we have

Valiant Westland: Six?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Some of the smartest folks I know

Zotarah Shepherd: 6 people – you too AJ

Birdie Newcomb: we do

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): movement of our bodies will be increasingly a big deal as an interface

Shailey Garfield: Yes indeed. Thank you, AJ

Kenny Hubble: we accept lindens

AJ Brooks: “Our students no longer bring desktops to campus. Soon some of them won’t even bring laptops. What future do virtual worlds with rich user-generated content have on mobile devices?”

Wrenaria Antiesse: include yourself in that list, AJ! <3

Kali Pizzaro: hey Shailey waves

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Iggy asks “”Our students no longer bring desktops to campus. Soon some of them won’t even bring laptops. What future do virtual worlds with rich user-generated content have on mobile devices?””

Kenny Hubble: I got a tip!

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): I like the question, but did they ever bring desktops to campus??

Claudia13 Rossini: (an excellent future…Moore’s Law)

Pathfinder Lester: Jibe works on tablets/phones now. Android for now. iOS coming. https://market.android.com/details?id=com.ReactionGrid.JibeAndroid

Bau Ur: Miami University in Oxford OH briefly required students to have laptops. It never worked well.

AJ Brooks: Make sure to add or, especially – VOTE for the questions that are posted. http://bit.ly/vwermod

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: Following Kenney’s remarks, we built an art gallery in Unity, and we’ll soon put it on a mobile device as an app

Delenn Daines: maybe they brought them to the dorms

Kali Pizzaro: tuts

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: tablet and phones are improving and we’ll see more

Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): We’re putting that art gallery on the web too, as a virtual space. (for the transcript)

Kali Pizzaro: I hope we dont move completely or we will never have this meeting again

Kavon Zenovka: I think maybe we have figured out the VW ed community doesn’t live and die with SL.

Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): Thanks Ignatius for doing the transcription!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: To follow up on Ken’s remarks, note how, so far, we have not talked much at all about SL. We do maintain a virtual campus, but our focus has moved to OpenSim for projects like the ones we noted and are looking at both Unity and Jibe

Kali Pizzaro: i will miss you all

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: but I don’t want to use VW tech richly on my mobile device

Claudia13 Rossini: i’ll never leave my sim Kali…so you’re at least stuck with me

Valiant Westland: Kinnect Rocks!

Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): #w00t Kinect

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: except to check in quickly. Our research is to look at the other direction..with devices such as Kinect

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): EEG controllers will be coming up soon too

Kali Pizzaro: psychomotor skills

AJ Brooks: “At he FCVW conference last May, David Smith voiced the conviction that the web – the current www with additional capabilities like WebGL, HTML5, Collada – would be the future of virtual worlds. Would you agree?”

Fleep Tuque: Federal consortium

Fleep Tuque: nod

Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): Agreed.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: Mobile is not the end-all. Some things about VWs do not work well on mobile

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): open source kits for EEG interface controllers are out

Pathfinder Lester: http://www.ndu.edu/iCollege/fcvw/

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Xon’s Q: “”At he FCVW conference last May, David Smith voiced the conviction that the web – the current www with additional capabilities like WebGL, HTML5, Collada – would be the future of virtual worlds. Would you agree?”


Kali Pizzaro: JW: i am going to say sometimes but not always

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: what do you think?

Kali Pizzaro: WB: mmm i would agree with Jo

Kali Pizzaro: KH: i can see html5 rocks but not always

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): html5 …. mmmm

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: I’ll pass on that

Fleep Tuque: (Sorry I confess I was catching up on backchat and missed the question. Hehe.) πŸ˜‰

Kali Pizzaro: ha

Kenny Hubble: you don’t now!

Xon Emoto: correct, that was the context.

AJ Brooks: We will NOT be able to get to all the questions, so please be sure to VOTE for your favorites! http://bit.ly/vwermod

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: The quote you mentioned, states that Web client will improve enough to jump from 2D to 3D smoothly.

Kali Pizzaro: yep i agree or maybe you won’t need the device ;0

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): the vision of the federated multiverse has been bandied around for at least as long as Neuromancer

AJ Brooks: “What role does the educational community see for private sector VARs (Value Added Resellers), to help move the use Virtual Worlds in Education forward?”

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Jon, so has cheap space travel. I wonder about plateaus here, too

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Valiant Westland asks “What role does the educational community see for private sector VARs (Value Added Resellers), to help move the use Virtual Worlds in Education forward?”

Paul Emery (casias.falta): he wants to know is there is a market

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Valiant says “not any embracing of VWs by the community of manufacturers I represent”

Ellie Brewster: Vushi System – Texas

Kali Pizzaro: JW: i am going to point at the minecraft community

Kali Pizzaro: this is where the tech resellers are

Larysa Nadolny (larysa.freenote): vushi is only SL right now, correct?

Kali Pizzaro: they are very successfully repackaging

Ellie Brewster: yes

Kali Pizzaro: JW: so i can buy my cheap server and set myself up

Fleep Tuque: Nod I guess the Opensim grids and the bits of content for sale is the closest comparison but.. it’s still very niche.

Kali Pizzaro: opensim is nearly there but still a bit hard to use

Kali Pizzaro: so the minecraft community is an area to aim at

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: When VWER had its own Sim, we had some great tenants

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Frank Ireton built a great space-themed build for us

Kali Pizzaro: I think the fact that many educators have no budget and are still trying to use VW with no money or set time

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: what if NASA had OARs to download for teachers who could load the International Space Station?

Fleep Tuque: heh

Kenny Hubble: lol

Fleep Tuque: (Don’t get me started on the glitches with clickers) ;p)

Valiant Westland: As a VAR, we would love to see OpenSim or something similar offered in the same way as SharePoint, Exchange, etc. Plus the “Packaged Content” just mentioned!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Why don’t we see more of this? Why not bungle VW tech with books and other edu materials?

AJ Brooks: “With 181 grids (other than SL) created and only 84 are sparsely populated, how does an educator (teachers) keep up with all of the hopping around to different grids due to the institute’s budget? Some have limited time to learn new technology?”

Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): but textbooks are moving to the mobile app format

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Praxislady asks “With 181 grids (other than SL) created and only 84 are sparsely populated, how does an educator (teachers) keep up with all of the hopping around to different grids due to the institute’s budget? Some have limited time to learn new technology?”

Kali Pizzaro: agree

Pathfinder Lester: lol

Pathfinder Lester: HEY!

Xon Emoto: πŸ™‚

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): ditto

Pathfinder Lester: ya!

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): oh yeah

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: I stopped jumping…I just read John Lester’s blog πŸ™‚

Kali Pizzaro: JW: i would say yeah to path for the hypergird

Pathfinder Lester: details about today’s meeting: http://becunningandfulloftricks.com/2012/01/04/the-hypergrid-adventurers-club-reloaded/

Kali Pizzaro: club

Jarrad Voom: raises his hand

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: FLeep: no cost associated with hypergrid

Valiant Westland: That’s another factor in the no-profit scenario for resellers… there is no real market force to aid in “natural selection” of Best Practices and Solutions…

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: you just have to find content by finding the best Web sites and blogs

Kali Pizzaro: I think time is the problem and the fact that you need to stick to one place to teach and teach your students one VW is more than enough

Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): I want to talk about second life for at least one minute AJ

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: Hypergrid is an open-source version of the SL server

Kenny Hubble: he doesn’t ;P

Paul Emery (casias.falta): dont forget osgrid which is different from opensim itself

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: for setting up your own grids on your own hardware

Larysa Nadolny (larysa.freenote): back to the ready made items issue (oars and such), I’m giving away the things we create from my NSF grant. Including the final oar file (later in spring)

Liana Hubbenfluff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperlinks_in_virtual_worlds

Fletcher Pinion: Sometimes less is more in terms of capabilities

Paul Emery (casias.falta): osgrid would be a place to start to try out opensim

Larysa Nadolny (larysa.freenote): http://www.drnadolny.com/opensim-inventory.html


Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: but it lacks the centralized tools that SL has

Liana Hubbenfluff: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Hypergrid

Kali Pizzaro: that still costs money though Fleep

Kali Pizzaro: πŸ˜‰

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: but we are moving from SL to OpenSim because it costs less, and has more control

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): for edu researchers, the ARVEL SuperNews might help goo.gl/XHo9f

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: cost no barrier to hypergrid

Thynka Little: but you do need to build all of your own content there.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: 2 minute warning. But I’ll do a wrap up

Delenn Daines: got to go hypergridding with path at4pm est

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: /me can stay a bit longer

Pathfinder Lester: Diva Canto (the creator of the Hypergrid protocols) recently wrote a great overview of “what is the hypergrid?” http://www.computer.org/portal/web/computingnow/1111/whatsnew/internetcomputing

Larysa Nadolny (larysa.freenote): opensim creations is another great place for free stuff for opensim

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): Let’s not get caught on the Wrong Side of the Transition, k?

Valiant Westland: Until I can take my Avatar (Identity) everywhere… neither OpenSim nor Hypergrid hold much interest for many professionals and those in the business sector.

Claudia13 Rossini: until i can take my entire inventory as well as my av from grid to grid…

Kali Pizzaro: sorry crashed there

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: I look forward to having you talk more next year, ken, about the Unity 3D work

Kali Pizzaro: WB: i think these are very exciting times

Kali Pizzaro: theresearch has informed the community

Kali Pizzaro: the mobile tech are great

Kali Pizzaro: and there is a lot going on in VWs

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Ken: We will be moving out of SL completely at Loyalist by December, and moving to Unity 3D

Kali Pizzaro: thanks Iggy

Kali Pizzaro: WB: the skilled brilliant people will

Kali Pizzaro: still create great work

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Ken: To our pessimists, always darkest before the dawn. This revolution only beginning

Kali Pizzaro: JW: I am feeling pretty positive

Kali Pizzaro: 2012 is going to be about the best tools for the job

Kali Pizzaro: including VW

Kali Pizzaro: SL is not the focus but we have freedom to explore lots of places and we are on the edge of the horizon!

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): — and i think 2012 will hold some new innovations that will ROCK our world even more

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: I’m also positive about the future…the focus will be less on a specific platform than on how we can bring together various technologies. My focus more on helping faculty and students learn

Kenny Hubble: kinect + VW + mobile + games = awesome

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): don’t forget the food and spirits!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: About SL…we’ll be at BGSU until at least April 2013.

Kenny Hubble: all voice chat problems today aside

Fleep Tuque: Hah!

Fleep Tuque: πŸ™‚

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): ahem

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: Linden Lab is working on new projects. Stability may be coming, at last. I remain excited to watch what LL does in future and to make a new product

Valiant Westland: Now if they would just give up Vivox and adopt Skype, I would be thrilled!

Kali Pizzaro: although i get problems with skype

Kali Pizzaro: πŸ˜‰

Fleep Tuque: Nope

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): no

Claudia13 Rossini: (we need the equivalent of Jobs, and Woz before VW’s really take off)

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AF: What they develop may not excite educators, but there is no other platform like Second Life

Fleep Tuque: Hadn’t heard that. That would be hilarious. πŸ˜‰

Kenny Hubble: godaddy?

Thynka Little: to promote vampire experiences?

Xon Emoto: lol πŸ˜‰

Pathfinder Lester: Thynka, lol

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): ha @Thynka

Kali Pizzaro: wooo

Fleep Tuque: rofl Thynka πŸ™‚

Valiant Westland: Anyone remember the WOW esque Coke Commercial at the Superbowl two years ago?

Liana Hubbenfluff: thank you sooooo much!!!!

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): awww

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): you too brother

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I can give you 15 more minutes (irony–I gamemaster on Th nights now!)

Kenny Hubble: <—-sheds a tear

Laural McCallen: Thank you so much!

Fleep Tuque: Aww thanks AJ, and the panel! πŸ™‚

Pathfinder Lester: i think the future is in vampire pets. take 2 popular things, combine, PROFIT

Xon Emoto: Thanks to everybody on the panel, sharing your insight, great talk! and thanks also to the people transcribing, this is so helpful!

Fleep Tuque: (And the audience!) πŸ™‚

jokay Wollongong: Awww AJ… right back at ya! πŸ˜‰ As our little miners would say, you’re awesum πŸ˜‰

Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks for the great panel and questions

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the nerds will kill me if I’m too late πŸ™‚

Fletcher Pinion: You guys r the wright bros, glen curtis, and charles Lockheed.


Shailey Garfield: Thanks very much to AJ and to the panel.

Kali Pizzaro: needs to stand my bum is sore

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): Go St. Iggy!

Kali Pizzaro: stretches

Anastasios Aurotharius: Thankyou everyone…this has been fascinating πŸ™‚

Tori Landau: Been very informative, ty so much

Claudia13 Rossini: lol…wear armor Iggy

Mojave Shepherd: Thank you very much! Outstanding conversation

Pathfinder Lester: great panel. sorry i missed the first half. you guys are doing brilliant work.

Kali Pizzaro: met each other here

Fleep Tuque: Yes of course, we all met each other here.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL Claudia. I’m the skinny guy in the fat-guy room. I’d need an M-1 Abrams

Pathfinder Lester: /me bites his tongue

Kali Pizzaro: beat me too it fleep

Valiant Westland: Were they invited specifically this time?

Fleep Tuque: Agree 100% Ken.

Ellie Brewster: hear hear

Mojave Shepherd: Good point

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: /me sings “where have all the Lindens gone?”

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): no one is listening, it’s ok

Xon Emoto: It was on the list.

Valiant Westland: Did the invite come as an email, in-world message, etc?

jokay Wollongong: good point Kenny

Kali Pizzaro: yep

Claudia13 Rossini: let me know if you need amo Iggy…i figure 2 prims per bullet plus a good script

Kali Pizzaro: facebook

Pathfinder Lester: Terrence left LL a while ago

Kali Pizzaro: etc

Thynka Little: Rodvik hangs in Twitter, and pays attention.

Pathfinder Lester: tell them it’s a panel about vampires and pets. maybe they’ll come then?

Valiant Westland: Truth Thynka

Claudia13 Rossini: lol Path

jokay Wollongong: Lolz Path πŸ˜‰

Xon Emoto: LOL

Thynka Little: well, that says a lot!

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): we all meet in a big hottub

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL Path! You forget the Gorean Kajirae

Pathfinder Lester: Iggy, good point

Claudia13 Rossini: omg. Gor…….

Kali Pizzaro: that is in the green room Jon

Kali Pizzaro: πŸ˜‰

Fletcher Pinion: We pose neither opportunity nor threat

Kenny Hubble: i totally miss GOR – i need to go hunting again

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Claudia, I bought good stuff from Trident. He keeps the doors open by selling to the Goreans

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: OpenSim can change things, but it helps if you are a programmer

Xon Emoto: Sad’s the word.

jokay Wollongong: Absolutely agrees

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): Second Life is where our careers and friendships were forged

Claudia13 Rossini: nods to Iggy….

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: had long lamentation about why Lindens do not come to meetings

Zotarah Shepherd: Yes it was

Valiant Westland: Fleep… would you agree that the technology needs to be mainstream for real adoption?

Kali Pizzaro: yep

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: edu community in SL is not strong now, as it was a few years ago

Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): @Valiant I don’t. Look at the adoption of Minecraft among students

L1Aura Loire: Luckily we don’t need to keep land or invest in resources in the same way in order to keep up with people πŸ™‚

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: LL had folks who worked hard, but it’s changed. Sad that this changed.

Kali Pizzaro: yep i am interested but need help form tech

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): everything that rises… must converge

Kali Pizzaro: frm

Post-Meeting Chat

Pathfinder Lester: beautiful summary, Fleep

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: SL and OpenSim cannot do everything. We look at Unity 3D for other possibilities and retain a focus on learning

Fleep Tuque: hehe

Kali Pizzaro: JW: i agree i have had all those emotions but all these

Fletcher Pinion: Focus on learning experience – absolutely

Fleep Tuque: Yes, the connections persist across the metaverse,. πŸ™‚

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Lalo Telling calls SL “the Old Country”

Paul Emery (casias.falta): i want to mention again that http://www.osgrid.org/ is part of a good way to get into opensimulator technology

Kenny Hubble: exactly Jo, it’s where we started

Claudia13 Rossini: education, unfortunately, tends to be last on most lists…howecer the great tech comes, usually, from universities

Kali Pizzaro: connections and work has allowed us to form these relationships

Kali Pizzaro: but lets just use what tools is best for the job

Claudia13 Rossini: (as in ignore edu at your own peril)

Fleep Tuque: laugh

Valiant Westland: AOHell !

Kali Pizzaro: with Claudia are you mad

Fletcher Pinion: YUP!

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): If SL is the VW version of AOL, then I’m waiting for the VW version of gmail

Kali Pizzaro: πŸ˜‰

Pathfinder Lester: perhaps SL is like the “old country”…where VW dreams and communities began, and then it all leaves to grow into something more somewhere else…

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: I was the first I think to say this, and I got into a fight with Claudia Linden but I said “SL will be the AOL of virtual worlds”

Fleep Tuque: laugh Grizzla, me too. πŸ˜‰

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: remember BBSes, anyone??

Fletcher Pinion: What about Compuserv? πŸ˜›

Claudia13 Rossini: <—diff Claudia…good person (though mean and evil)

Kali Pizzaro: oh yeah lol

Kali Pizzaro: hehe

Fleep Tuque: /me still BBSs with the same group every day, going on 20 years now). πŸ˜‰

Valiant Westland: My 1st Internet email address was on CompuServe ~ 75140,1147@compuserve.com

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: /me misses “Geopoliticks” on the local BBS

Fletcher Pinion: Iggy, that modem buzz still rings…

Pathfinder Lester: ATDT…

Kali Pizzaro: i love you alll

Kali Pizzaro: hehe

Fletcher Pinion: heh

Kali Pizzaro: hugs the group

Kali Pizzaro: woooooooo

Pathfinder Lester: NO CARRIER

Kenny Hubble: BUT dependant on what we did in SL

Fleep Tuque: hahah


Ignatius Onomatopoeia: that was the same group of nerds I gamemaster every week πŸ˜€

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): 2400 baud

Kali Pizzaro: ha

Fletcher Pinion: 2400 baud rocked

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: I think that LL could go along the same around at AOL

Valiant Westland: Still have a Hayes SmartModem in my collection…

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): got me out of Northern Montana and into the World

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: I will e-mail our panelists the other Qs and will post them to VWER

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Great idea

Claudia13 Rossini: is the VWER webpage fixed?

Kali Pizzaro: noope

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: VWs don’t do some things well (answering Paul) and virtual campuses were not a good use of the technology

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): not exactly

Kali Pizzaro: we need people

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: Not best as a 3D Web site to show off a virtual campus

Kali Pizzaro: folk dont want to be alone

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): situated contexts

Fletcher Pinion: standard techn adoption curve – first you replicate the fmamiliar

Claudia13 Rossini: exactly Kali

Kali Pizzaro: that s the way i have always used it

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: but we use a cardiac arrest simulation really well

Kali Pizzaro: and have folk diss me for it

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: it’s cheaper, focused, and has immediate use

Kali Pizzaro: simulation is not new

Kali Pizzaro: in healthcare

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep: ROI is excellent for these simulations

Kali Pizzaro: πŸ˜‰

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Kali, it is in literature πŸ™‚

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): procedural learning in context

Fleep Tuque: laugh! I remember that too. πŸ™‚

Kali Pizzaro: KH: i agree with Fleeop

ChrisG Techsan: application of knowledge

Praxislady Witt: Pivot is a great simulator technology

Fletcher Pinion: it’s always been bout the affordances

Kali Pizzaro: KH: how you use te tedch is the key

Fleep Tuque: Case Western

Fleep Tuque: nod

Fleep Tuque: Virtual campus tours, nod.

Kali Pizzaro: there was always someone in the areas that work

Kali Pizzaro: KH: you need to select the right project

Valiant Westland: Great session! Got to fly… Thank you for answering the questions!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Ken, those are the most important Qs…you need backup and rewards for faculty

Kali Pizzaro: in som many cases good ideas but no follow true

Fleep Tuque: Thanks os much Valiant great to see you. πŸ™‚

Kali Pizzaro: KH: we are going to have tutorial mode but the aim is the same

Anthony (anthonyfontana.chevalier): Thanks everyone!

Kali Pizzaro: the students still need to see the value

Kali Pizzaro: to engage

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: my pleasure…what a great panel even on “Nerd Night

Fleep Tuque: Thank so much to the audience for great questions and the transcripters. πŸ™‚

Merlin Moonshadow: Thanks, everyone!

Ellie Brewster: Good session, thanks!

Oronoque Westland: thanks so much to you all

Mojave Shepherd: Thank you all! Very interesting session.

Kenny Hubble: Thanks AJ, panelists, and audience members!

Paul Emery (casias.falta): how about a slurl

Pathfinder Lester: thank you for the kind words

Fleep Tuque: Great to see so many familiar faces too! πŸ™‚

Mojave Shepherd: and keep up the good works!!

Claird Loon: Thank you all!

Samantha Chester (sam55.chester): Great session guys

Kali Pizzaro: cheers

Kali Pizzaro: folks

Laural McCallen: Thank you so much!

D’lightful (delightful.doowangle): Terrific, thanks!

Jonathon Richter (wainbrave.bernal): thanks everyone – gotta head to the next meeting! Super to do this again!

Kali Pizzaro: yep

Samantha Chester (sam55.chester): thanks Iggy and Kali and Grixxla

Thynka Little: thank you!

jokay Wollongong: Thanks everyone… gotta dash off and put my HG backpack on! πŸ˜‰

Frankie Antonelli: Great panel, many thanks for the wonderful session!

Fletcher Pinion: thanks, all!

Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks AJ


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