Feb. 2, 2012: STEM In Second Life for Students with Disabilities

February 2nd, 2012 | Posted by iggy in Transcripts

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VWER 2nd Feb 2012: panel

Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable February 2, 2012

Topic: “STEM In Second Life for Students with Disabilities.” Special Guests, Robert Todd and Chris Langston of Georgia Tech

Photos by Sheila. Join our VWER groups at Flickr and Koinup to add your own pictures!

Grizzla Pixelmaid: Hi everyone and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable!

Pawlus Twine: sure

Grizzla Pixelmaid: Our topic today is “STEM In Second Life for Students with Disabilities.”

Grizzla Pixelmaid: Our special guests today are Second Life residents, Robert, and Renton Sixpence.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: People at the Georgia Institute of Technology only think their real names are Robert Todd and Chris Langston,

Grizzla Pixelmaid: and at Georgia Gwinnett College, where I work, people call me Chris Robinson.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: A little about these meetings, for any newcomers:

Grizzla Pixelmaid: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable (VWER) is a forum to educate and brainstorm about virtual worlds issues that are relevant to education.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: We meet here each Thursday on the virtual campus of Bowling Green State University, from 11:30-12:30 pm SLT.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: (SLT = β€œSecond Life Time,” which is the same as U.S. Pacific time).

Grizzla Pixelmaid: We’ve met every week since March 2008,

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Chris, I want your speaking voice…I sound like I always have a cold πŸ˜€

Grizzla Pixelmaid: and we welcome a wide variety of educators,

Grizzla Pixelmaid: from seasoned veterans to the newly-rezzed,

Grizzla Pixelmaid: who bring a wide variety of opinions and needs.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: This is a public meeting, so we keep and publish a transcript of what is said in local text chat.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: Transcripts from all previous meetings are at our website: vwer.org – select the LIBRARY tab at the top – and these are searchable.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: We have some groups you are welcome to join!

Grizzla Pixelmaid: VWER has groups on both Flickr and Koinup.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: When we public the transcript each week, we include photos from members,

Grizzla Pixelmaid: so please summon your “inner photographer” today and then post your photos.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: Also check out our group in Second Life and our group on Facebook.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: Follow us on Twitter @VWER:

Grizzla Pixelmaid: When you blog or tweet, please remember to include the hashtag #VWER.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: So – about today…

Grizzla Pixelmaid: Normally, we all sit around a big round table and everyone can discuss the topic in text chat.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: Sometimes we have special meetings like this one, with an interview in voice chat.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: Audience members use the local text chat as a back channel, but be aware that the guests and I will not necessarily be following it.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: We know that some of you might not be able to hear the voice chat,

AJ Brooks: lol

Grizzla Pixelmaid: so we have transcribers to capture the essence of the interview and post it into the public chat,

Grizzla Pixelmaid: so everyone can follow along.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: I hope you have all come with questions for our guests!

Rhiannon Chatnoir: sorry all and hi πŸ™‚

Grizzla Pixelmaid: To submit a question, click on one of these signs, behind me to the right and left,

Grizzla Pixelmaid: and it will take you to a Google Moderator site where you can POST questions,

Grizzla Pixelmaid: and also VOTE on questions that others have posted.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: That is enough from me!

Grizzla Pixelmaid: I’ll let each of the guests introduce themselves.

AJ Brooks: http://bit.ly/vwermod is also the URL for the Google Moderator

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: Robert Todd, principle investigator for GA STEM accessibility project

Frans Charming: http://georgiabreakthru.org/

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: also know as “Breakthrough”

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: STEM stands for “Science, Tech, Engineering, and Mathematics”

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I got interested because I was curious about why interfaces were not working for those with disabilities

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I’ve been at Tech since ’93, and this work takes up my professional efforts these days

Kali Pizzaro: RS: I am Chris Langston I am a research scientist

Kali Pizzaro: we are part of the Georgia tech arm

Kali Pizzaro: My interest started in grad school so I am loving working in

Vulcan Viper: whispers: See? πŸ˜‰

Kali Pizzaro: a project which builds on that

Kali Pizzaro: one of my projects is building tools which help the project

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: CATEA is a research center at GA Tech

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: focusing on accessibility issues. Breakthrough is a major project there.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Chris: Give us a bit of background about this project

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Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: I’ve been working on the Web since the early days

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and interested in those with cognitive and physical limitations

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we take for granted the audio and visual feedback our software gives us

Claudia13 Rossini: (is not aging….is oldddd)

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): me too

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and that can change for those with disabilities and those aging (Iggy adjusts his bifocals IRL)

Claudia13 Rossini: (trifocal are clean and resting on my nose)

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We wanted to have an impact in the educational process to help those in the future

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Don’t forget to post your questions at http://bit.ly/vwermod

Kali Pizzaro: 38 for the transcript

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Breakthrough was designed to help those separated geographically

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: to help them enter STEM fields as researchers and educators

Kali Pizzaro: RS: What I wanted to add is the interest for me is that we are seeing the emerging behavior of those in the project

Kali Pizzaro: we have been offering training but the students have worked out how to use it for themselves and integrate it with other tools

Kali Pizzaro: and the amount of connection with the mentors ahs been fantastic and more than we thought

Kali Pizzaro: i am really excited about that

Kali Pizzaro: and how it will turn out

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Chris: before this project, how had you used Second Life?

Kali Pizzaro: RS: intially we have been trying to learn it ourselves

Kali Pizzaro: but the content creation is not something I am great at

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: I had used SL personally, and seen what colleagues in disability studies had been doing

Kali Pizzaro: lol

Geddy Ghost: georgia tech have closed their sim

Rhiannon Chatnoir: /me waves

Frans Charming: /me waves

Geddy Ghost: hiii

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Beautiful job, Vesuvius folks!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Our friends from U Georgia are here…wanted to say hello and we collaborate with them except over football

Kali Pizzaro: that will be American football not soccer uk folk πŸ˜‰

Kali Pizzaro: hehe

Kali Pizzaro: sorry

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: Because of age issues, we have split up High School students from others. We have a Welcome Area for our participants and two islands

AJ Brooks: Be sure to post your questions or vote for questions that are already posted at http://bit.ly/vwermod

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Chris: Why SL and not other worlds?

Kali Pizzaro: RS: Part of my early work was about how accessible was all the different

Kali Pizzaro: worlds

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: We looked first at which were most accessible

Kali Pizzaro: oops sorry Iggy

Claudia13 Rossini: available product

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: πŸ™‚

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: We found that SL offered the most tools but we are looking at the use of OpenSim

Kali Pizzaro: RS: i would like to add that SL offered us the advantage of getting the island up and

Kali Pizzaro: running quickly

Kali Pizzaro: and we would have needed more staff to start from scratch

Kali Pizzaro: WOoo Gentle

Kali Pizzaro: that was me

Kali Pizzaro: πŸ˜‰

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: getting started fast was key for us, and we had communities like Virtual Ability Island already here

Svea Morane: Woot Gentle Heron and VAI

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: alternatives like Olive did not have SL’s community…a key for us

Kali Pizzaro: RS: i think so

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Chris: So SL as long it’s the best option?

Kali Pizzaro: RS: OS would be more a back up plan for us

Kali Pizzaro: this was first choice

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: We are here but consider OpenSim an option in the distant future

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Geddy Ghost: Do you think that Second Life is dying and that it may not last?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: We have two islands in SL

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: gives us options for “gamification” to engage students, but the emphasis has been on communications tools

AJ Brooks: Please be sure to post questions to http://bit.ly/vwermod

AJ Brooks: also – vote on the questions that are already there

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: We offer group mentoring areas and have private areas as well

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Renton is working on a ning for us

Kali Pizzaro: RS: Ning is one we are using we have a variety of Social network tools to hybrid

Kali Pizzaro: these but still protect teachers and students

Kali Pizzaro: so we are building it out and we want to push the website

Kali Pizzaro: and are building a repository of

Kali Pizzaro: different resources

Kali Pizzaro: for the students and teachers etc to

Kali Pizzaro: tap into and also to direct folk to our SL area

Kali Pizzaro: we are evaluating this as we go

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: We have spent a great deal of our time so far doing training. The interface takes time to learn

Al Supercharge: how do u think mentoring can be private here?

AJ Brooks: Please make sure to post questions to Moderator – http://bit.ly/vwermod

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: creating polices and ways to train…we were surprised at the lack of computer skills among our educators and students

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): …and don’t forget to vote on others’ questions! I’ll ask the most popular ones.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We are working with Vesuvius to provide public and private mentoring

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Chris: Any surprises so far?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Chris: anything good or difficult you did not expect?

Al Supercharge: good luck w that πŸ™‚

Kali Pizzaro: RS: they can be boring

AJ Brooks: Thereare alo 7 questions already posted, so be sure to go and vote for your favorites to make sure they get asked.

Kali Pizzaro: the ilsand is much more engaging

Kali Pizzaro: RS: the SL client is still

Kali Pizzaro: suprising to folk

Al Supercharge: let me kno if u need a solution

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: I got a “wow” response from observers when I showed Web on a prim

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: students can master WoW or Eve Online, but SL surprised us…students had trouble with the UI here

Kali Pizzaro: RS: a lot of the mentors had to be convinced it was not a

Kali Pizzaro: game

Kali Pizzaro: and that was a banned word to get folk to see it as

Kali Pizzaro: a communication tool

Kali Pizzaro: and has been a challenge

Kali Pizzaro: but we are getting there

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Chris: hard to get past assumption that SL is a game

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Chris: some of the questions from Moderator now

Bathsheba Vizenor (bathsheba.darkfold): is there a link to that page?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: “So after skimming the website a bit, is SL a place for mentors and learners to meet up only or is there STEM content delivered somehow in the VW too?”

Al Supercharge: are u really getting that many Qs?

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Kali Pizzaro: RS: you can access the content from webs on prims

Kali Pizzaro: but it is the connections between mentors and students that are the main focus

Kali Pizzaro: and we are going on field trips

Kali Pizzaro: we would like to

Kali Pizzaro: but that is not the main focus at the moment

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: Vesuvius created a sandbox for student projects

Bedordia Bedrosian: grizzla just crashed

Zotarah Shepherd: I crashed too

Bedordia Bedrosian: AJ or Iggy, can you take over until she gets back?

Zotarah Shepherd: Maybe

Vulcan Viper: So did I.

Claudia13 Rossini: i think the sim crashed briefly

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: pop goes the Raven

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we’ll press on

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: soon as Grizzla returns

Claudia13 Rossini: oops

Claudia13 Rossini: stole AJ’s chair

Kali Pizzaro: sorry got kicked oot

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL Claudia

Claudia13 Rossini: yup

Vulcan Viper: I can.

Oddprofessor Snoodle: What happened?

Zotarah Shepherd: Yes

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: loud and clear

Kali Pizzaro: looks like i was not the only one

AJ Brooks: did thesim crash or was it just me?

D’lightful (delightful.doowangle): that was exciting

Wrenaria Antiesse: lol did everyone get botted?

Claudia13 Rossini: probably give it a minute

Zotarah Shepherd: Anyone NOT crash?

Claudia13 Rossini: naw.i think we all got popped out

Kali Pizzaro: oh the bonnie

Wrenaria Antiesse: booted*

Wrenaria Antiesse: haha oops

Geddy Ghost: sorry I crashed

Claudia13 Rossini: we had i think 50 some the last voice

AJ Brooks: we should be good up to 60 or more

Wrenaria Antiesse: fascinating

Kali Pizzaro: yep mass eviction

LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: Possibly time for everybody to Detach All?

D’lightful (delightful.doowangle): we are resilient!

Zotarah Shepherd: 28 now

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: in response to the question: AJ had asked “Do you have data as a result of your work? In other words, comparing STEM issues pre and post SL experience?”

Geddy Ghost: you were answering the first question

Kali Pizzaro: lol

Claudia13 Rossini: we all got bored at the same time

Oddprofessor Snoodle: Yes, EVeryone take off their scripted attachments.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: we should have data to share after two years

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Christ; another Q

AJ Brooks: and put things like Mystitools sleep

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ asked “With the virtual worlds options growing, how would you deal with a move given that all of your content is, in ways, trapped in SL.”

Kali Pizzaro: RS: at this point we have no plan to move

Kali Pizzaro: and we would only move it SL was not an option

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: ((Iggy’s note—if you build it yourself))

Claudia13 Rossini: (or if i build it for you)

Kali Pizzaro: RS: what do you mean shifted focus

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Chris: Linden Lab has shifted focus, but they are not going away anytime soon

Zotarah Shepherd: (A few folks have a red ARC here)

AJ Brooks: only creaters can export items, and if you use textures that are not yours, they don’t export, etc…

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: ((and if Imprudence continues))

Kali Pizzaro: RS: we have purchased of the long term

Al Supercharge: can only transfer out of SL objects with CREATOR permission

Vulcan Viper: /me would love to see that.

Kali Pizzaro: thinks

Kali Pizzaro: mmm

Al Supercharge: ud better check all the CREATORs of ur builds

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Chris: Q about creating avatars that can sign (bloody GOOGLE froze on me now…sorry)

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Chris: Any idea if your students are using SL outside of classes?

Gentle Heron: /me can direct folks to places to obtain a few sign animations in SL… more in Japanese than in ASL.

Kali Pizzaro: RS: A couple of folks have been in beyond school but

Kali Pizzaro: some can

Kali Pizzaro: not because

AJ Brooks: vote for the remaining questions – http://bit.ly/vwermod

Kali Pizzaro: .. but we want them to engage

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Chris (earlier): LL shifted away from the edu market with the loss of edu-focused employees

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Chris: another Q: bout tools

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: We are working with several tools, including Max the virtual Guide Dog

Zotarah Shepherd: (36 on sim)

Kali Pizzaro: cheers Zo

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Were using an IBM tool now abandoned as IBM pulls back rom SL

Bathsheba Vizenor (bathsheba.darkfold): I might be able to connect you with some research organizations that would be interested in bvi issue collaboration

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Text SL is another one we have tried

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Chris: AJ asks about problems with design affordances you have encountered

Claudia13 Rossini: looks at AJ..say what?

RobertT Deluxe: I would like very much to hear information on that topic

RobertT Deluxe: my email: robert.todd@coa.gatech.edu

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: diferent tools bring different opportunities and challengees

RobertT Deluxe: Would love to discuss access for those with low vision, blindness

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: you have done work in the actual world on this…what did you encounter with the transition to SL?

Kali Pizzaro: RS: Well a big one is the SL interface

Kali Pizzaro: who have dexterity or heard of hearing

Kali Pizzaro: and it is a bit frustrating

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Kali Pizzaro: but we try to offer alternatives but SL is the

Kali Pizzaro: main focus and the others are backups if we can not get them to comfortable

Kali Pizzaro: use

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: one affordance for those with low vision, but not blindness

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: SL permits increasing chat-font size,

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: for example, helps those with visual impairments

AJ Brooks: TY!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Chris: give some examples of STEM activities planned or done in SL?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: We focused on issues such as time management, test anxiety

Kali Pizzaro: arrr

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: effective study skills a focus the first semester, not so much STEM

Kali Pizzaro: gamification sorry

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We are moving to more STEM content now

Kali Pizzaro: RS: our focus is

Kali Pizzaro: on mentoring not

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we hope that organizations such as NASA with content here, will provide our students and mentors with content

Kali Pizzaro: we want them to learn communication skills more soft skills

Kali Pizzaro: that they can take out

Kali Pizzaro: to the rl

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: we also want to lead the students to online and RL tools, such a graphing calculators

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: that provide haptic feedback..or web sites that provide transcripts

Claudia13 Rossini: lol

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Chris: Any other examples of “gamification”?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: FISHING!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: to provide a gamlike experience in world

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: but also story telling to get students active here

Kali Pizzaro: RS: we cant always offer them rewards but

Kali Pizzaro: we are offering small ll

Kali Pizzaro: to encourage

Claudia13 Rossini: lol

Kali Pizzaro: participation

Sheila Yoshikawa: lol

Claudia13 Rossini: snowballs

Nik Revnik: cow tossers?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: /me ducks as the idea of “exploding taco guns”

Vulcan Viper: Snowballs! WOOT!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: we are looking at mobility enhancements

Gentle Heron: /me can show you sports wheelchairs for free!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: students have asked for cool wheelchairs

Claudia13 Rossini: oh.i saw a cool jet powered wheel chair at a vwer meeting

Vulcan Viper: /me wonders if RobertT caught what Gentle can do.

RobertT Deluxe: Free sport wheelchairs! I like it!

Kali Pizzaro: RS: the sort of gamification is a more social

Kali Pizzaro: game

Kali Pizzaro: community building

Kali Pizzaro: not single player

Zotarah Shepherd: /me nods

Rhiannon Chatnoir: yay for D&D

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert: we call this “narrative gaming” so it’s not the quick reward model

Ti Mosienko: /me applauds

Kali Pizzaro: RS; thanks for inviting us

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes…Iggy is a gamer geek IRL and loves that remark about RPG

Claudia13 Rossini: come back again!

Kali Pizzaro: woooooooooo

Kali Pizzaro: Gentle you are up

Gentle Heron: OK cabbage coming up

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Chris: thanks for being here!

Kali Pizzaro: come on up to the front for a poic

D’lightful (delightful.doowangle): thanks, this was terrific!

Kali Pizzaro: pic

Rhiannon Chatnoir: wooo dancing cabbage

Shailey Garfield: Thanks. Very interesting and inspiring.

Ti Mosienko: thank you

Frans Charming: /me applauds

Kali Pizzaro: lol

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robert wants to see the famous dancing cabbage

VWER 2nd Feb 2012: Dancing cabbage

Gentle Heron: This is a risk, as I change avies in public, you know.

Kali Pizzaro: hahahhahahahhahah

RobertT Deluxe: LOL

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: what would an observer think

RobertT Deluxe: Show us your cabbage

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: /me replies “there goes my grant!”

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Sheila Yoshikawa: rofl

Claudia13 Rossini: lol

Ti Mosienko: wooot

Gann McGann: hahah

Kali Pizzaro: i was thinking don’t add to the transcript

Gentle Heron: about half changed

Kali Pizzaro: lol

Frans Charming: /me applauds

Gentle Heron: I feel like cole slaw now

Wrenaria Antiesse: YAY Grizzla!

Frans Charming: /me applauds

Kali Pizzaro: well done girl

Zotarah Shepherd: Yay Grizzzzzzz!!!!

Frankie Antonelli: yeah, Grizzla, thanks for a great session!

Claudia13 Rossini: lol

Bathsheba Vizenor (bathsheba.darkfold): Thanks so much!

RobertT Deluxe: Cheers, Grizzla!

Vulcan Viper: /me applauds Grizzla

Ti Mosienko: /me applauds


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