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Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable February 16, 2012
Topic: Open Forum
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Kali Pizzaro: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable. We meet each Thursday at 11:30am SLT for an hour. 7:30pm In UK, 2:30pm est
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Kali Pizzaro: Tonight’s Theme is an Open Forum so let rip please Let’s start as we always do by introducing ourselves. I am Evelyn McElhinney RN, Lecturer, Doctoral student at Glasgow Caledonian University
Birdie Newcomb: Birdie Newborn, newborn publisher
Claudia13 Rossini: Claudia in both worlds, builder….
barbarathelibrarian Magic: Hello, I am Barbara Janson, chief librarian of Johnson & Wales University and a third year doctoral student researching education and virtual worlds
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: /me is Joe Essid, U Richmond Writing Center & English Dept. I run Nevermore, a sim based on the work of Edgar Allan Poe, located in Jokaydia Grid, an OpenSim Grid for educators and soon, in Second Life at Glasgow Caledonian’s campus!
Sheila Yoshikawa: I teach in the iSchool at Sheffield University UK
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: actually…open now in SL 
Zotarah Shepherd: I am working on an MA in Education Technology at Sonoma State University in northern California. I finished all my classes. My Thesis project: Teaching and Learning Life Awareness & Success Skills in Virtual Worlds.
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): I am Evalyn Gossett, RN Lecturer at IU Northwest School of Nursing
Anastasios Aurotharius: Ben Linson, Boston, engineer, educator, entrepreneur
Kali Pizzaro: Woop to the RN
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): smile
Tori Landau: student at the Open University, previous to that did computer based learning and passionate about the potential that vws have for education
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): I agree Tori
Kali Pizzaro: anyone else
Kali Pizzaro: going
Paul Emery (casias.falta): Paul Emery work with opensim and SL and alliedmedial.org. I would like to pass anote to you all if that is ok
Tori Landau: ok with me
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): and me
Birdie Newcomb: sure
Kali Pizzaro: going
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Pass me a $100 note, please
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): of course
Kali Pizzaro: gone to the broad in the hat at the back
Claudia13 Rossini: make mine $1000
barbarathelibrarian Magic: sure
Duncan Ramer: hey everyone
Zotarah Shepherd: Ok
Kali Pizzaro: HI Duncan
Anastasios Aurotharius: hello Duncan
Kali Pizzaro: yeah
Ignatius Onomatopoeia:
MarlboroDrezno: hej
MarlboroDrezno Resident: hey
Paul Emery (casias.falta): should have said it is re the alliedmedia.org conference coming this summer and it an invitation to participate
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): hello Ducan
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): Thank you Paul
Kali Pizzaro: great pass that round then Casais
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: sure, Paul. Thanks.
Claudia13 Rossini: (damn, i was hoping it was a mash note)
Anastasios Aurotharius: did people see the news that the number of opensim regions has surpassed SL?
Kali Pizzaro: ok so before we started Claudia you had a question
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Pappy Enoch will send you one, Claudia.
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): i did not see that
Kali Pizzaro: oh sorry Ana
Duncan Ramer: really?
Tori Landau: nooo
Kali Pizzaro: lets go with that first
Kali Pizzaro: yes i saw that
barbarathelibrarian Magic: wow awesome!
Claudia13 Rossini: i was just wondering if anyone had seen ‘Life 2.0′…
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): i cannot get open sim to work for me
Claudia13 Rossini: lol, thanks Iggy
barbarathelibrarian Magic: not yet…
Birdie Newcomb: no
Duncan Ramer: I have had the same trouble with open sim
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes, heard this…about OS Regions. From Hypergrid Business News perhaps?
Birdie Newcomb: wuzzat?
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): no
Paul Emery (casias.falta): easiest access to opensim is probably osgrid.org
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: You need to have the right client…It works well for me with Imprudence but I need a newer viewer
Zotarah Shepherd: How many OS grids are there now? Anyone know?
Kali Pizzaro: ok so cat herding in order lol already
Kali Pizzaro: lol
Duncan Ramer: I’ve loaded the hippo viewer a few times and I can’t get in
barbarathelibrarian Magic: Yes I use Imprudence for mine
Kali Pizzaro: i can get in with hippo
Birdie Newcomb: Hippo works for me
Zotarah Shepherd: Imprudence works for me in OS
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): thanksPaul
Claudia13 Rossini: Boy Lane does a viewer designed for other grids.though Windows only
Giorgio Lepe (photoshopguy): I’m using the Firestorm viewer
Giorgio Lepe (photoshopguy): It seems pretty good
Anastasios Aurotharius: http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2012/02/opensim-exceeds-second-life-private-regions/
Birdie Newcomb: havent’ tried Firestorm yet
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We cannot underestimate this problem…one of our SL educators just gave up…putting in the grid info for an OS grid was too much to handle for a Type B personality
Kali Pizzaro: thanks Aanstasios
Giorgio Lepe (photoshopguy): Better than the original Phoenix
Kali Pizzaro: lol
Kali Pizzaro: yeah i do like just tp about easily
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks, Anastasios…you are faster with the clipboard than I am
Giorgio Lepe (photoshopguy): Do educators get any special considerations on SL? Like premium accounts.
Duncan Ramer: they used to
Duncan Ramer: but not really any more
Kali Pizzaro: nope nowt now me thinks is that right folks
Giorgio Lepe (photoshopguy): too bad
MarlboroDrezno Resident: interesting thought, but if education is not on the side of education
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Well, GIorgio…let me tell you something: I pay $300 a YEAR to Jokay. After the Linden discount ended, I’d have paid that in tier here, every month
Kali Pizzaro: explain Marlboro
Giorgio Lepe (photoshopguy): I read that immersive education is getting stronger on the more dedicated software level
Giorgio Lepe (photoshopguy): There’s a company called EON Reality
MarlboroDrezno Resident: I might also depend on man’s education in the important matter of educating the young man
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so no going back to SL for this educator, unless I have a white knight like Kali to sponsor me
Duncan Ramer: I have a sim for my school and the annual tier is 3500.00 usd
MarlboroDrezno Resident: “a lot”,[["adverb","much","a lot","many"]]
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: ouch…this is why the International Spaceflight Museum almost closed
Giorgio Lepe (photoshopguy): sounds like it’s gotten out of hand
barbarathelibrarian Magic: yes, that is THE problem
Duncan Ramer: yeah the only way I am keeping my sim for next year is to either cut the price in half or share my some with another educator
Kali Pizzaro: we need to share the cost between a few places me thinks
Kali Pizzaro: in the future
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): that is expensive
Kali Pizzaro: yes Duncan
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but if you can make do with a mainland parcel, SL can still be decent. You have the community.
Tori Landau: the OU just closed an entire region due to funding
Kali Pizzaro: ah Tori that is a shame
Zotarah Shepherd: I still have mainland parcels
Giorgio Lepe (photoshopguy): I’ve been thinking of going to a premium account.
barbarathelibrarian Magic: Yes, my little plot in Cybrary City is only $350 per year.
Giorgio Lepe (photoshopguy): What do others think?
Kali Pizzaro: but you know is it funding really or is it because it is not used enough
Tori Landau: yes, still have dept of computing sims but sad
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): my university finally got an island, but i am under constraints to do what i want to do
Claudia13 Rossini: Don;t you guys think this is pretty normal, considering we are still on the cusp of the developing VW’s thing?
Giorgio Lepe (photoshopguy): What about private instructing
Giorgio Lepe (photoshopguy): Adobe training, etc
Zotarah Shepherd: I have had a premium account from the beginning of my time here Feb 2007.
Duncan Ramer: What I think would be ideal would be to share my island with 2 or three other schools that are in different time zones then we would all have use of the whole sim
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: It’s a good bargain, Giorgio. I like the 300L stipend and use it to by props for our build at Kali’s Uni. AT $72 US/ Year it’s a good deal.
Kali Pizzaro: yes Duncan that is what we are thinking
Kali Pizza: we should maybe talk for the future
roMarlboroDrezno Resident: the future is important
Duncan Ramer: I would like to!
Zotarah Shepherd: I like sharing resources
Tori Landau: i’ve a premium account too, useful for when there is a problem
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): so i need funding for my nursing course outside the university then
barbarathelibrarian Magic: Had premium since 2008
Tori Landau: agree with Duncan
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): ?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: BTW, if you are interested in the latest on SL’s two Spaceports, or have sent your students there…
Kali Pizzaro: we have a nursing ward etc Shawnta
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2012/02/international-spaceflight-museum-will-return-to-sl-spaceport-alpha.html
barbarathelibrarian Magic: Thank you!
Duncan Ramer: cool!
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): Kali could we work with you then?
Kali Pizzaro: of course
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): kk
Kali Pizzaro: friend me and lets talk
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): yes
Zotarah Shepherd: “Insufficient permissions to read notecard.” Did you change the permissions, Casias?
Sheila Yoshikawa: i gotit ok
Giorgio Lepe (photoshopguy): I know they offer a home with a premium acct.
Paul Emery (casias.falta): oh crap
Kali Pizzaro: me too
Tori Landau: mine is ok
Duncan Ramer: yeah but there is not much you can do with it
Giorgio Lepe (photoshopguy): but what about a training facility instead
Tori Landau: note card that is
Zotarah Shepherd: Ok maybe just my screen thanks
Claudia13 Rossini: i’m premium.but i’m not destitute enough to live in a linden house……
Giorgio Lepe (photoshopguy): yeah, I agree
Zotarah Shepherd: I agree too
Giorgio Lepe (photoshopguy): I would like to share work and display work
Sheila Yoshikawa: I di get one once (linden house) but I got bored pretty quickly
Giorgio Lepe (photoshopguy): since I’m a graphic designer
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Claudia asked about Life 2.0…here’s the URL for the film: http://life2movie.com/
Duncan Ramer: I have an island and I prefer yacht living to a house
Claudia13 Rossini: (next life i’m learning to spell and type)
Kali Pizzaro: ha
MarlboroDrezno Resident: I also had a house, but I got bored in high maintenance costs
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: My office is just a floaty cube you can fall out of. I dislike having to abide by the metaphors of RL here
Zotarah Shepherd: I had built my own low prim house laready and saw no Linden houses that were better than mine.
Claudia13 Rossini: i expect i’m going to get really pissed watching it
Duncan Ramer: brb
Kali Pizzaro: has anyone seen it
Tori Landau: hadn’t even head of it (blushes)
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): will watch movie when done here
Claudia13 Rossini: i only just found it the other day on itunes
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Yes, Claudia…will be typical “sex and divorce fare” I reckon..just as in 2008
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): thanks for link
Birdie Newcomb: what is this, an affair?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: well, maybe true love after SL..that would be nice
Birdie Newcomb: addiction 2.0?
Birdie Newcomb: Hmm, maybe that’s me
Claudia13 Rossini: another skewed view of VW’s i expect………though it’s not suprising.a lot of people i meet have no idea there is an educational foundation in SL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we cannot deny that it happens here…consider the usage patterns among social users…a small % makes up a large % of hours logged
Kali Pizzaro: yes or even just the great communities of practice
Tori Landau: agree, the wrecked marriages tend to make the headlines
Kali Pizzaro: about many many
Kali Pizzaro: good support groups
Loren Restless: Hi everybody!!! 
Claudia13 Rossini: sex sells……pity about that
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I’d be addicted if I could drive my fake ’67 GTO well on the fake roads.
Claudia13 Rossini: LOL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I keep using “fake” to give this a sense of perspective
Kali Pizzaro: yeah i am fed up hearing that there is something wrong with being in SL from the facebook group
Kali Pizzaro: lol
Kali Pizzaro: Hi Loren
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): got excited about the movie,
barbarathelibrarian Magic: Second Life makes networking possible for many people who cannot affort to attend meetings or conferences
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): hehehehe
Kali Pizzaro: but it is hard to motivate educators when times are tough
Kali Pizzaro: yes Barb
Claudia13 Rossini: Kali.your Scottish friend……..he talked about VW’s being an ‘extension’ or life
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: FB is “fake” too…it’s a pimped version of us…Castronova calls FB profiles “avatars” in his book Synthetic Worlds
barbarathelibrarian Magic: Or, are unable to travel because of physical impairment
Tori Landau: agree barbara, I’m one of them
Kali Pizzaro: who Mark he is English
Kali Pizzaro: lol
Kali Pizzaro: GAnn
Claudia13 Rossini: yes, Gann
Claudia13 Rossini: english scottish…ok, sorry about that, laughs
Kali Pizzaro: English but i am sure he will appreciate the compliment
Kali Pizzaro: compliment
Kali Pizzaro: lol
Kali Pizzaro: sorry Sheila Tori
Kali Pizzaro: 
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but some content is just not possible IRL, though it’s fake here…my kids rode to orbit from the International Space Museum on that Gemini rocket. They loved it.
Sheila Yoshikawa: no, one will always be inferior
Sheila Yoshikawa: lol
Claudia13 Rossini: but computer addiction just because we are exploring new technology…..i think not
Kali Pizzaro: good that you have insight
Kali Pizzaro: indeed
Kali Pizzaro: CLaudia
Sheila Yoshikawa: what does “fake” mean anyway in a digital context?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I agree, Claudia. There are many “addictions” and I’ve seen car fanatics neglect their spouses.
Claudia13 Rossini: do i have an addiction to books just because i read several a week?
Kali Pizzaro: indeed is this not real?
Tori Landau: i’ll use Claudia’s line next time I’m told that I’ve been on the computer too long °͜°
Kali Pizzaro: is there a virtual and real?
Sheila Yoshikawa: I have an addiction to sitting down
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: No, if Socrates is correct. All we do IRL is a shadow.
Birdie Newcomb: lol
barbarathelibrarian Magic: I think addiction is when the activity interferes with vital elements of life such as work, family, and health
Claudia13 Rossini: i don’t think so Kali………you all are certainly real to me
Sheila Yoshikawa: @barbara yes there are some classic signs
Birdie Newcomb: or which is the vital element
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): sounds like projection,
Sheila Yoshikawa: a couple of my students have just done searches on “internet addiction” for an assignment lol
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): projection to cover their insecurity and lack of creativitiy
CLEOPATRA Xigalia: continued use despite adverse consequences
Loren Restless: sorry that I interfere, certain dependence comes into being, only this we, then our decisions are really important
Tori Landau: difference between virtual and real, could be when people role play in here – have different personalities to their real one, we had a few problems students who treated sl as a game
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): what is the name of the FB group
Zotarah Shepherd: Or Descartes We are all thinking here so we “ARE” real.
Tori Landau: had come in from using WoW
Kali Pizzaro: most of the people I have interviewed have not spoken of offline and online lives this is just another part of their life
Birdie Newcomb: The different personalities — freed from our physical bodies, I don’t consider those unreal, but they work better in virtual worlds
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: You know, I see something IRL among the young that REALLY disturbs me: texting together, in crowds, instead of talking in restaurants
Kali Pizzaro: oh spelling
Kali Pizzaro: lol
Claudia13 Rossini: nods to Iggy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: They are RL avatars…using their bodies to socialize and pimping their lives online
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): lol
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: My gamer students ALWAYS point this out
Kali Pizzaro: Oh my we are getting deep
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Piled Higher and Deeper = PhD ma’am
Kali Pizzaro: lol
Kali Pizzaro: feel like it
Paul Emery (casias.falta): the whole discussion of identity and etc could be a long one
Kali Pizzaro: so who else wants to chip in
MarlboroDrezno Resident: very long
Tori Landau: a very long one Zotarah Shepherd: I have not heard that in ages Iggy
Kali Pizzaro: but interesting
Claudia13 Rossini: but look at us…we are a bunch of fairly intelligent people…using SL to communicate ideas…………that’s not an addictive behavior
Kali Pizzaro:
barbarathelibrarian Magic: sometimes I think texting is their way of dealing with social awkwardness of their teen years – bypassing the face-to-face conversations because they feel shy or vulnerable
Tori Landau: interesting point
Birdie Newcomb: that works
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: true, Claudia. I would race IRL but it’s too expensive if more fun
Birdie Newcomb: I find myself saying things I might not say in RL
Kali Pizzaro: or it is just a way of life for them the way it has always been
Kali Pizzaro: sure Birdie
Paul Emery (casias.falta): seems like the power of vw for ed comes from users hookin up emotionally with their avatars
Claudia13 Rossini: and i can have all the expensive antiques i want in SL……
Kali Pizzaro: yes Casias
Sheila Yoshikawa: Is it also just – that it’s what you do? texting? Sort of like passing notes in class when I was a girl….
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: /me nods at Paul…last week I made that case about why VWs work better than teleconferences. My audience agreed, and only 2 had tried SL
Kali Pizzaro: i am really interested in how fok still follow social norms
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it’s the embodiment
barbarathelibrarian Magic: Ah yes, can i even remember that far back Sheila?
Kali Pizzaro: yes
CLEOPATRA Xigalia: the danger is that texting will remove a tone of voice , or facial expressoin or a body language element .. this is like what ?
Kali Pizzaro: sheila you rememeber wehn that poor girl tp right in front of your tal and everyone was telling her to sit down
Claudia13 Rossini: i know i generally follow (r/l) social norms .i just do it in my pajamas these days
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we could use better facial expressions in SL..more social cues
Kali Pizzaro: but their use of emoticons is rather amazing
Kali Pizzaro: lol
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes Kali
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 
Sheila Yoshikawa: whatever tal is
Tori Landau: agree Paul, until I had attachment with my av here felt quite strange being in SL
Loren Restless: certain dependence of the virtual world exists, we set in in him, but it is sometimes hard is to go away, we get to know people, their problems, distresses, there are for the moments of delight and pain certain dependence of the virtual world exists, we set in in him, but it is sometimes hard is to go away, we get to know people, their problems, distresses, there are for the moments of delight and pain
Birdie Newcomb: you betcha
Duncan Ramer: we do?
barbarathelibrarian Magic: yes, we had two librarians pass away and we had memorials for them in SL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: SL is “real enough” to get folks deeply involved. Imagine what future VWs with do, with the sort of graphics in contemporary video games.
Duncan Ramer: Nutz!
MarlboroDrezno Resident: Here are just real people, you’re right
Claudia13 Rossini: i don’t find it hard to go away.i’ll leave my av in my workshop…go lay down, read…….take a soak in the tub…even go out for groceries
Sheila Yoshikawa: Nutz to what?
Kali Pizzaro: yes i was at a memorial for someone Barb
Tori Landau: Yes, we did for staff members, was very moving
Kali Pizzaro: very touching
Duncan Ramer: I was just assigning more reading and math assignments
Birdie Newcomb: I know probably as many people/avatars in vws as i RL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Beer Nutz? I would enjoy a beer right now, Duncan.
Tori Landau: agree Birdie
Paul Emery (casias.falta): interesting discussion folks but i got to go maybe see you next week
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: see you soon, Paul!
Sheila Yoshikawa: bye
Kali Pizzaro: ok Casia thanks for the notecard
MarlboroDrezno Resident: “See you”,[["interjection","See you"]]
Duncan Ramer: later
Tori Landau: bye Paul and ty
Birdie Newcomb: bye Paul
Kali Pizzaro: so do you think our students get that feeling of embodiment
Kali Pizzaro: or are they not in VWs long enough
Birdie Newcomb: maybe not if they are newbies
barbarathelibrarian Magic: I could never afford the air fares to visit my SL friends, but I value them as colleagues in my work
Birdie Newcomb: Takes a while to invest oneself.
Duncan Ramer: and Yes I do agree with you . . . I just try to keep the hs drama to a minimum in sl
Kali Pizzaro: agree Barb and see them as friends
Anastasios Aurotharius: people are different…I think some do and some don’t
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: mine…no way. It’s a thing done or an assignment at best. At least, it’s “creepy” even as they send and receive 100 texts daily.
Birdie Newcomb: Or even to be comfortable with the appearance
Kali Pizzaro: but do they change their avi
Tori Landau: took me about 3 months before stopped feeling I was playing with a doll and happened when spent a few hours continuously in sl at a uni beach party
Claudia13 Rossini: i think some do Kali.but i expect it’s like your friends study….there are levels of immersion and comfort depending on personalities
Kali Pizzaro:
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it’s fair to say mine have detested SL..period. They are better with a closed simulation with premade avis. But maybe that is just my campus demographic.
Duncan Ramer: I have had more people tell me I need to get in touch with my inner avie . . . I’m not sure I know what that means
Birdie Newcomb: Part of the comfort comes when others recognize your avatar,
barbarathelibrarian Magic: •´¨*•.¸. Lo0oL .¸.•*¨`•
Claudia13 Rossini: nope Iggy.i see exactly the same thing with both univ of penn students and teachers
Birdie Newcomb: and are glad to see you…(Cheers)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Pappy Enoch<–Iggy’s Inner Avie
Duncan Ramer: recognize My name is over my head . . just like yours
Anastasios Aurotharius: you have to be willing to suspend your disbelief and some people aren’t even comfortable about talking about their emotions….never mind emotional bandwidth
Kali Pizzaro: interesting because Zelda one of the VWER folks made premade avis and has decided to let students make their own next time as they said they would feel more attached to one they made themselves
Sheila Yoshikawa: “in touch with my inner avie ” hmm I think that means zilch
Tori Landau: i’ve heard that too Ignatius, so one staff member is now using OS instead of SL, to have that closed space
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Seriously, Sheila, not if Yee is right: Proteus Effect
Claudia13 Rossini: grins……..i’ve no idea where Zelda got that idea
Sheila Yoshikawa: I think in terms of interacting with people in premade avis – it is more alienating
Sheila Yoshikawa: i mean for the person not in a premade avi
Birdie Newcomb: Hi Ruth, I’m Ruth.
Kali Pizzaro: ;p;
Kali Pizzaro: Hi Ruth
Tori Landau: agree Sheila – the clone of a clone effect
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: The kids want to finish an assignment. Only a few wanted to customize their premades
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: VWs are not how they socialize. For some of us, they are.
Claudia13 Rossini: the studies show that in customizing your av.you make the connection with it
Kali Pizzaro: interesting mine all change to look like RL self
Kali Pizzaro: as soon as they can
barbarathelibrarian Magic: I think in some instances it is helpful to teach in 3D
Kali Pizzaro: yes Claudia
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): my nursing students love creating their own avatars
barbarathelibrarian Magic: Look at Bloom’s Taxonomy
barbarathelibrarian Magic: I was able to walk up the steps
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): and had them dressed beautifully, and such
Kali Pizzaro: yes Shawta isnt that strange mine too
Birdie Newcomb: remind me
barbarathelibrarian Magic: what a teaching tool!
Claudia13 Rossini: my av, looks a lot like the r/l me minus about 15 years
Kali Pizzaro:
Duncan Ramer: I have noticed that too Kali . . except for the random wolfs, dragon,s and a few cats
Kali Pizzaro: lol
Birdie Newcomb: minus about 60 pounds
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Barbara, I agree. The students last semester LOVED the simulation we did in Jokaydia Grid. Only 2 of 15 would not participate and the evals were strong.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: But that does not mean they want to log in and “hang out”
Tori Landau: well I don’t have cat ears and a tail rl °͜°
Kali Pizzaro: awwww shame
barbarathelibrarian Magic: Ignatius – visit my library in Jokaydia – Lifelong Learning
Kali Pizzaro: ;-_
Duncan Ramer: would you like a lm?
Kali Pizzaro:
Duncan Ramer: hahahah
Kali Pizzaro: ok so 15 mins left folks
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): kali, should the nursing students have scrubs for simulation, i do think so what do you think
Kali Pizzaro: nope
Kali Pizzaro: mine are post qualifying
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): i had them all find scrubs,
Kali Pizzaro: so i dont make them
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): ooo
Duncan Ramer: cloths are easy to make would you like a few sets of scrubs?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: They do that IRL with real kids out on the town. They pimp themselves and lead intricate personal lives. They don’t need avies…yet. Maybe in their 30s, when the college years are gone.
Kali Pizzaro: but pre-lince maybe i would
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): yeah we just changed any pants to scrubs
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Barbara, thanks! I’ll send Roderick Usher over for a look!
Duncan Ramer: that works too
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): thanks
Claudia13 Rossini: the more they identify with theirs av’s..however they are dressed.the more they can concentrate on the learning
Kali Pizzaro: i have scrubs I think i can give you
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): but will take what you have if you don’t mind
Kali Pizzaro: good point Claudia
Tori Landau: agree Claudia
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): hospital simulation = scrubs
Anastasios Aurotharius: if you search for nurses uniforms…you can buy scrubs in-world
Kali Pizzaro: if they are pre license Shawnta
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): yes i cought, want freebies for students
Sheila Yoshikawa: totally different from scrubbers
Kali Pizzaro: i used volunteer real patients last year and they said it did not matter what the nurse had on in SL when they took their history
Duncan Ramer: I have TONS of freebies for my island and anyone can get them . . no scrubbs yet
barbarathelibrarian Magic: well folks my lunch hour is over
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): yes, research says, it does not matter what nurses wear in real life as well
Claudia13 Rossini: thing is most freebies look pretty bad that doesn’t help with immersion….it makes you (well maybe just me) feel like a cartoon
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): thanks Kali
barbarathelibrarian Magic: a pleasure to see you all
Zotarah Shepherd: Bye Barbara
Kali Pizzaro: cheers Barbara
Tori Landau: bye, you too
barbarathelibrarian Magic: Thank you!
Kali Pizzaro: come back and see us
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): chat later Barbara
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: see you in J Grid!
barbarathelibrarian Magic: Thank you!
Duncan Ramer: I lucked out . . . I have gotten a few designers to give me things for my island when it was on the TG
Sheila Yoshikawa: actually you can get excellent freebies, but you need to spend time hunting round or monitoring for them
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I wanted to add a plug for the International Spaceflight Museum
Sheila Yoshikawa: well, they are freebies that people need to get for themselves rather than full perms
Kali Pizzaro: go Iggy
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): and then adjust the freebie for you avatar and likes
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: they are looking for crowd-funding and details will be available soon at New World Notes
Duncan Ramer: darned skippy
Tori Landau: past year I’ve found that free stuff that is copy and trans is harder to come by
Sheila Yoshikawa: e.g. at Seraphim HQ, they just put out new stuff, some nice furnture and various wearables
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Like Bryn Oh, tier is killing their sim. Oh raised $6000 in TWO days for Immersiva
Sheila Yoshikawa: if you want them to learn how to join a group and buy things for free…
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: end of plug…watch http://nwn.com for details
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: details even
Tori Landau: ty Ignatius
Birdie Newcomb: bad url Iggy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: blast…dead link: http://nwn.blogs.com/
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: there y’all go
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): Thank you
Birdie Newcomb: got it
Tori Landau: ditto
Duncan Ramer: whispers: thanks!
Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks Iggy
Kali Pizzaro: cheers yeah i think they need to seriously look at tier
Claudia13 Rossini: laughs..we better be in for the long haul with VW’s…cause it’s going to take years
Zotarah Shepherd: I agree Claudia
Anastasios Aurotharius: the future is hard to predict
Claudia13 Rossini: we can chip away at the attitudes….but like all good changes, it takes time
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Here I am, the severed head floating in the punchbowl, but LL cannot afford to cut tier
Kali Pizzaro: yeah i wish folk would open their eyes
Duncan Ramer: /me nods with Anstasios
Kali Pizzaro: so crowdfund together
Birdie Newcomb: LL is a rental company.
Kali Pizzaro: by sharing land
Kali Pizzaro: group hug anyone awwww
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it is their revenue source, period…they cannot go with a $15/month subscription as WoW has done so well
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): i think the young people would get so much from VW learning, but the teachers are resistant
Claudia13 Rossini: i think that’s an excellent idea Kali
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): still want power points
Kali Pizzaro: thank you Claudia
Giorgio Lepe (photoshopguy): sorry I had to step away
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): and lectures
Kali Pizzaro: big gbit of land share the cost put up our own uni signs etc
Kali Pizzaro: bingo
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): group hug yes
Kali Pizzaro: yep
Tori Landau: so do I…. I’ll mention it to the owner of the dept of computing islands at the OU
Birdie Newcomb: me too
Claudia13 Rossini: share builds…like Kali is into nursing…why not link those builds
Kali Pizzaro: woop
Kali Pizzaro: lets talk seriously
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): woop
Duncan Ramer: the problem with most teachers is that were trained with wipe off boards and books its what they are comfortable with
Zotarah Shepherd: Teachers seem resistant to using new ideas even researched ones for a RL classroom.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: educators are so good at sharing…yes, group hug (almost typed “grope hug”)
Kali Pizzaro: folks Im me if you are serious
Kali Pizzaro: lol that too
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): exactly, boards and books and quizzes
Duncan Ramer: its so far out of their comfort zone
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes
Birdie Newcomb: Thats for mature regions, Iggy
Kali Pizzaro: or email me Evelyn.McElhinney@gcu.ac.uk
Claudia13 Rossini: and i’ll offer help with building if you do Kali
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: /me grins at Birdie
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): i will Kali
Duncan Ramer: all the teachers in my school think I’m nutz
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): and me == nutz too
Kali Pizzaro: fab
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): lol
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I see our faculty coming around…but doing digital stories or blogs is very different from using a VW in a class
Claudia13 Rossini: lol Duncan..everyone thinks i’m nuts
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): yeah, NUTZ
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): strange looks
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): smile
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: heh. My audience liked the dreads last week.
Kali Pizzaro: folk think this is all i do that is a wee bit of a problem as i am the blended learning lead and do a wee bit more than this ha
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): i like your dreads
Duncan Ramer: whispers: yet I had more graduates connect with colleges last year than all of them combined and its because of vw education and their abilities in the VW
Kali Pizzaro: but i have become known as the person that does second life
Kali Pizzaro: that is if they get the name right lol
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I told them the VWs are sandboxes for making simulations. They got it
Duncan Ramer: yeah me too
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I don’t start off with the “second life” metaphor
Duncan Ramer: SL metaphor?
Kali Pizzaro: me neither
Claudia13 Rossini: oh…..good idea Iggy
Anastasios Aurotharius: I think what’s going on with Open Sim is exciting
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): i don’t care what they think now, i am finding my way very slowly
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the sticking point is “you spent 200 hours building Usher???”
Tori Landau: agree Duncan, staff and students mix more socially here than ever would in rl so much better for making connections
Duncan Ramer: I just wish they would quit thinking about it and give it a try just once
Kali Pizzaro: i say it is like 3d facebook to students and a 3d immersive educational tool to faculty lol
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): just need to do the simulations now, got 10 students inworld and no hospital
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: The idea of a parallel life is “creepy” to many, so I skip the “world” idea in favor of “what you can do here”
Kali Pizzaro: yep
Claudia13 Rossini: lol, Iggy.i just put in 40+ building ONE hospital
Kali Pizzaro: we got the hospital so come on down
Duncan Ramer: thats EXACTLY what I do
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: agreed, Claudia, I did the SL rebuild of Usher in fewer than 30 hours
Duncan Ramer: that is what you can do in here!
Kali Pizzaro: maybe we should move all our land together
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: wellll……LL had plans for an edu continent
Duncan Ramer: ok
Duncan Ramer: why not
Kali Pizzaro: make it the educational area
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but it got scraped when they fired their staff who helped with education
Anastasios Aurotharius: has anyone checked out osgrid?
Zotarah Shepherd: I have
Claudia13 Rossini: we are stronger if we’re untied Kali
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I’ve never been a LL booster since that awful day
Tori Landau: i’d forgeotten about that, recall it being mentioned at a VWBPE talk now
Kali Pizzaro: ok 1 minute warning
Anastasios Aurotharius: what did you think, Zotarah?
Graham Mills: John Rogate has a 50-sim educator enclave on OSgrid
Duncan Ramer: if I can get someone to share my tier I would pay to have my island moved
Kali Pizzaro: oh one minute gone
Kali Pizzaro: lol
Kali Pizzaro: duncan lets all talk
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL good job cat-herding, Kali
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks!
Kali Pizzaro: phew
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Next week…it’s…
Anastasios Aurotharius: I tried to find it Graham….it wasn’t easy
Kali Pizzaro: though it was going to go pear shaped
Tori Landau: =^_^= Puuurrrrrrrrrrrsss =^_^=
Kali Pizzaro: Iggyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Zotarah Shepherd: We also have to realize that we draw from the rest of SL and they get value from our builds too. Building an Ivory Tower might not be the way.
Kali Pizzaro: drum roll
Graham Mills: mkholland3 is the one I aim for
Birdie Newcomb: we keep coming back for more
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: oh jeez…I been volunteered
Zotarah Shepherd: I like OS a lot though
Kali Pizzaro: oh i dont mean lock it down
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: how about fund-raising ideas for your project?
Tori Landau: agree Zotarah, it’s why the OU has open groups and sims
Sheila Yoshikawa: I ought to be talking about sharing too, I think, sigh
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): fund raising sounds good, since i don’t know that i can afford to pay for SL rgid or island or whatever
Sheila Yoshikawa: anyway
Sheila Yoshikawa: bye for now, thanks Kali and Iggy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: see you all next week
Zotarah Shepherd: I like the Hypergrid Adventurers Group
Kali Pizzaro: cheers all
Kali Pizzaro: see you all soon
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): ok will be back next week
Claudia13 Rossini: take care everyone
Evalyn (shawnta.clarence): thank you everyone
