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Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable August 9, 2012

Topic: “Running Meetings in Virtual Worlds”

Photos, by Grizzla. Please help us by joining our VWER groups at Flickr and Koinup to add your own pictures!

Iggy’s note: special thanks to Kali for gettng me a transcript this week, when I was away!

AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable. Our topic today is “Running Meetings in Virtual Worlds”

[ 11:31] AJ Brooks: I plan to expand the idea to Running Meeting in Digital Environments, but more on that shortly.

[ 11:31] AJ Brooks: The VWER meets each Thursday at 11:30am SLT for an hour and is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.

[ 11:31] AJ Brooks: Our group has met every week for over four years and we get a wide variety of educators, from seasoned veterans to the newly rezzed.

[ 11:32] AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we will be keeping and publishing a transcript of what is said in local chat. If you’ve not seen our transcripts, you should check them out – they are an excellent information asset

[ 11:32] AJ Brooks: and a great historical reference. Via our web site, they are also searchable. The transcripts can be found at http://www.vwer.org – select the LIBRARY tab at the top.

[ 11:32] AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable continues to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.

[ 11:32] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Hi Galileo!

[ 11:32] AJ Brooks: Please join the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable Facebook and http://bit.ly/vwerfb You can also find and post pictures to our Flickr group and KoinUp and follow us on Twitter @VWER.

[ 11:32] Galileo Zeplin: hi folks

[ 11:32] Lali Latte: hello

[ 11:32] Merlin Moonshadow: /me waves

[ 11:32] AJ Brooks: When you blog or tweet, please remember to include the tag #vwer (its important not to forget to include the #)

[ 11:32] AJ Brooks: So, lets get started – the way we usually do. Please introduce yourself in local chat – you name, what you do, and where you do it. No need to wait, go ahead and type away.

[ 11:33] AJ Brooks: I am AJ Kelton, I’m the Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities & Social Sciences at Montclair State University. I am also the Founder and Chief Moderator for the VWER.

[ 11:33] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Chris Robinson, Virtual Assistant, Georgia Gwinnett College

[ 11:33] Kali Pizzaro: hi Zo

[ 11:33] Zotarah Shepherd: I am working on an MA in Education Technology at Sonoma State University in northern California. I finished all my classes. My Thesis project: Teaching and Learning Life Awareness & Success Skills in Virtual Worlds.

[ 11:33] Merlin Moonshadow: Michael Smith, information technology professional and instructional technology student in Atlanta.

[ 11:33] Kali Pizzaro: Evelyn McElhinney, RN, Lecturer PhD student Glasgow Caledonian University

[ 11:34] Galileo Zeplin: Ed Johnson, Board of Regents, University System of Georgia

[ 11:34] Tori Landau: Patricia Dean, volunteer event coordinator for the Open University’s sim, Deep Think.

[ 11:34] Kali Pizzaro: Hi Tori

[ 11:34] Lali Latte: Melinda Korzaan associate prof Information Technology Middle Tennessee State University

[ 11:34] Zotarah Shepherd: /me waves to Kali Hi

[ 11:34] Eli (eliana.zaytsev): eli,, facilitator for george fox seminary doctor of ministry students in virtual worlds

[ 11:34] Tori Landau: Hi Kali ¡?¡

[ 11:34] AJ Brooks: Great

[ 11:34] AJ Brooks: Before we get into our topic for today I have some house keeping stuff to take care of an an announcement.

[ 11:34] AJ Brooks: On Tuesday (Aug 14th), the VWER Moderators will hold a special meeting called “VWER Moderator’s Meeting.

[ 11:35] AJ Brooks: In order to maintain our ability to hold weekly meetings, and grow in ways the VWER community has suggested and requested, we need more moderators. This is not optional.

[ 11:35] AJ Brooks: And it is not difficult. Being a moderator can be fun and its pretty easy. Tuesday’s session will discuss, from the perspective of our current moderators,

[ 11:35] AJ Brooks: what it means, and what it takes, to be a VWER Moderator.

[ 11:35] AJ Brooks: You do not need to commit to being a moderator to come to the meeting. You just need a serious interest. If you come and like what you hear, there is a mentorship model in place.

[ 11:35] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): If I can do it, anyone can do it.

[ 11:35] AJ Brooks: If its not for you, at the very least you understand a bit better how our meetings work.

[ 11:35] AJ Brooks: None of us thought we’d be good at this when we first started doing it. But we all are commited to the educational community and making sure the VWER remains a vital and important asset for all.

[ 11:35] AJ Brooks: I hope you’ll think about joining us on the Tuesday.

[ 11:35] AJ Brooks: On Wednesday, August 23rd, the VWER will hold a “meeting” via Twitter. We will be using the hashtag #vwer to follow the conversation. I’ll be posting something to our web site about how to do this.

[ 11:36] Merlin Moonshadow: I assume there will be a notice with details?

[ 11:36] AJ Brooks: All you need is access to the Internet (mobile/tablet/computer) and a Twitter account to participate. All you need is Internet access to follow along. Details will be on the VWER web site soon

[ 11:36] AJ Brooks: http://www.vwer.org

[ 11:36] AJ Brooks: Finally, I’m thrilled to remind everyone that on August 30th I will be interviewing Tom Boellstorff and Celia Pearce

[ 11:36] AJ Brooks: Tom and Celia will join us to talk about their new book titled “Ethnography and Virtual Worlds: A Handbook of Method”

[ 11:36] AJ Brooks: The book can be preordered at Amazon. It doesn’t hit the shleves until 8/26, so we’re getting to talk to the author with the book hot off the presses. Its available in print and in Kindle. http://www.amazon.com/Ethnography-Virtual-Worlds-Handbook-Method

[ 11:36] Kali Pizzaro: woo

[ 11:36] Merlin Moonshadow: Well, hello, Captain Hammer!

[ 11:36] Merlin Moonshadow: /me hides his freeze ray

[ 11:36] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Just ordered the Kindle edition yesterday

[ 11:37] AJ Brooks: Please be sure to join us on August 30th in the Formal Amphitheater at 11:30am SLT, our regular meeting time.

[ 11:37] Kali Pizzaro: Hi Folks come join us

[ 11:37] AJ Brooks: and thats all for the announcements

[ 11:37] AJ Brooks: lets go ahead and talk about today’s topic.

[ 11:37] Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Beth

[ 11:37] Liana Hubbenfluff: hi hi

[ 11:38] Beth Ghostraven: hi!

[ 11:38] AJ Brooks: If you came expecting us, or one of us, to talk about what it takes to hold a meeting in a virutal world, we’ll be done with this topic very quickly

[ 11:38] AJ Brooks: lol

[ 11:38] Kali Pizzaro: a sneaky wee pre amble to Tuesday’s meeting

[ 11:38] Beth Ghostraven: no, just listening

[ 11:38] Kali Pizzaro:

[ 11:38] AJ Brooks: today’s meeting was intended to let all of us talk about our experiences in meeting, both running them and particpating in them

[ 11:38] Zotarah Shepherd: hehe

[ 11:38] AJ Brooks: and talk about each of our own best practices

[ 11:38] AJ Brooks: meeting is defined loosly

[ 11:38] AJ Brooks: and I’d like to expand the concept of virtual worlds for this meeting to digital enviornments

[ 11:39] AJ Brooks: because I believe there is some simiilarity

[ 11:39] AJ Brooks: Now – I can talk about running a meeting in a virtual world as I’ve been doing so actively for over four years

[ 11:39] AJ Brooks: of course, that would be only one kind of meeting, or maybe two

[ 11:39] AJ Brooks: there are different kinds of meetings

[ 11:39] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Except that normally in meetings, there aren’t participants in wizard garb with long platinum hair

[ 11:39] AJ Brooks: anyone want to give a for instance?

[ 11:40] Sheila Yoshikawa: sorry i’m late

[ 11:40] Merlin Moonshadow: /me raises an eyebrow at Grizzla

[ 11:40] AJ Brooks: Hi Shiela

[ 11:40] Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Sheila

[ 11:40] AJ Brooks: Ok – so we’re all teachers or in the education field

[ 11:40] Riven Homewood: Hi everybody – I’m waiting for things to rez – It’s taking a while

[ 11:40] AJ Brooks: we all have been on the other end of hearing crickets when we ask a question of the class

[ 11:40] Liana Hubbenfluff: lol

[ 11:40] Zotarah Shepherd: /me smiles and nods

[ 11:40] AJ Brooks: So, lets try again – anyone want to give a for instance of meeting other than this roundtable kind?

[ 11:40] AJ Brooks:

[ 11:40] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): indeed

[ 11:41] Merlin Moonshadow: Class meetings, obviously. If you want to include those.

[ 11:41] AJ Brooks: ok

[ 11:41] AJ Brooks: so – class meeting

[ 11:41] AJ Brooks: lets start there

[ 11:41] Tori Landau: does a talk with a discussion afterwards qualify?

[ 11:41] Sheila Yoshikawa: I’ve organised a sort of mini conference a couple of times, though nothing amibitious, just a half day kind of thing

[ 11:41] AJ Brooks: how does a class meeting differe from this roundtable meeting? (andI think it does)

[ 11:41] Zotarah Shepherd: Presentations with questions and answers

[ 11:41] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Yes

[ 11:41] Sheila Yoshikawa: and also loads of discussions or talks with discussions

[ 11:42] Tori Landau: class meeting is more formal

[ 11:42] AJ Brooks: ok – so the content flow is more one-sided than this?

[ 11:42] AJ Brooks: define formal?

[ 11:42] Zotarah Shepherd: Interactive teaching and tours of educational places (aka hearding cats)

[ 11:42] Liana Hubbenfluff: everyone on best behavior?

[ 11:42] Zotarah Shepherd: hehe

[ 11:42] AJ Brooks: I’m not being a hard ass, I’m asking for real clarification since we may use different terms for things

[ 11:42] Riven Homewood: There’s a power structure at a class meeting – the instructor is far more in charge there than a moderator at a meeting among peers

[ 11:42] Sheila Yoshikawa: I wouldn’t organise anything with students that was all sitting down and chatting

[ 11:42] Tori Landau: here we type away without permission to type

[ 11:42] Merlin Moonshadow: Classes can also be project-based, although there’s usually some amount of lecturing.

[ 11:43] AJ Brooks: so – the power issue is an interesting one, no?

[ 11:43] AJ Brooks: and so true

[ 11:43] Captain Hammer (ucmo.hotshot): technically in higher ed, the teacher is an employee of the students

[ 11:43] Sheila Yoshikawa: I think motivation of participants is a key diffrence

[ 11:43] AJ Brooks: this is more democratic

[ 11:43] AJ Brooks: one of us moderates, but the attendees are free to do what they want

[ 11:43] Sheila Yoshikawa: we are here by choice

[ 11:43] Merlin Moonshadow: Definitely, Sheila.

[ 11:43] Kali Pizzaro: less hierarchy

[ 11:43] AJ Brooks: but not entirely

[ 11:43] Kali Pizzaro: good point Sheila

[ 11:43] Tori Landau: phone,brb!

[ 11:43] AJ Brooks: attendees have been kicked out and banned

[ 11:44] AJ Brooks: ok – so choice is another thing

[ 11:44] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): /me remembers her first time moderating…

[ 11:44] Sheila Yoshikawa: there are acknowledged protocols and procedures that we fit in with because we hope they will make our time more enjoyable/ productive

[ 11:44] AJ Brooks: although one could argue that students are in a particular class by choice also

[ 11:44] Riven Homewood: You aren’t giving us a grade

[ 11:44] Kali Pizzaro: yes certain social norms are expected in these meetings

[ 11:44] AJ Brooks: but that wasn’t your point, I know – and you’re right

[ 11:44] Sheila Yoshikawa: indeed Riven

[ 11:44] Zotarah Shepherd: Because audience or students can type or post questions to a seperate site while I am presenting in voice there can be more active participation.

[ 11:44] AJ Brooks: AHHH

[ 11:44] AJ Brooks: the power of the grade

[ 11:44] AJ Brooks: another power issue – great

[ 11:44] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Yes, and students do better when they realize they have made a choice, on some level, to be there

[ 11:45] Kali Pizzaro: I am not frightened of making a fool of myself (coughs)

[ 11:45] AJ Brooks: we – we have roundtable meetings, which are more democratic and there is no power struggle, or much less of one

[ 11:45] Kali Pizzaro: mmmm

[ 11:45] AJ Brooks: and we have class – where there is a power issues, both of the teacher and the grade, and there is a restricted issue of choice

[ 11:45] Riven Homewood: Kali, do you mean you aren’t afraid of it here, or when you teach?

[ 11:45] Merlin Moonshadow: Are we assuming adult learners/meeting participants?

[ 11:45] AJ Brooks: what other type of “meeting” is there?

[ 11:46] Galileo Zeplin: another difference, at least with text chat in vw … is that multiple people can communicate simultaneously…multiple threads even … except perhaps in voice chat, which more nearly resembles rl meetings

[ 11:46] AJ Brooks: @Merlin – I’d say yes

[ 11:46] Sheila Yoshikawa: If you are facilitating though, you use some of the same skills/experience that you use in facilitating student seminars though (at least I do)

[ 11:46] Zotarah Shepherd: I consider audiences/students as equals and encourage their participation.

[ 11:46] Kali Pizzaro: mmm i suppose i mean here but you are more exposed in class

[ 11:46] Merlin Moonshadow: Figured, but I thought it would be good to clarify.

[ 11:46] Tori Landau: back

[ 11:46] Riven Homewood: nods

[ 11:46] AJ Brooks: One of my main points for people about moderating is that it is exactly the same as teaching, but in many ways much easier

[ 11:46] Zotarah Shepherd: I have taught on the teen grid too

[ 11:46] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): field trips

[ 11:46] Beth Ghostraven: As a person with a hearing impairment, a text discussion is much easier to follow

[ 11:47] Kali Pizzaro: great point Beth

[ 11:47] Sheila Yoshikawa: yes Zotarah I think there is a variety of types of learning & teaching done by people round this table, we can’t make hard and fast statements about differences

[ 11:47] AJ Brooks: Field trips – so, thats an interesting typ eo fmeeting, and one that has a non-digital world equivelant

[ 11:47] Sheila Yoshikawa: I mean about differences between this and teaching students

[ 11:47] Kali Pizzaro: especially with multiple folk? @Beht

[ 11:47] Kali Pizzaro: Beth

[ 11:48] AJ Brooks: @Z – thats good for some settings and not good in others.

[ 11:48] Zotarah Shepherd: I like presenters in voice to also provide text or transcriptions. Not hard to do with Dragon or other speach to text applications.

[ 11:48] Kali Pizzaro: yeah more inclusive

[ 11:48] Beth Ghostraven: It works if there’s one presenter in voice

[ 11:48] AJ Brooks: If I’m teaching a studio class or a small critical think ing type class, I agree. If I were teaching a several hundred student intro class, not so much

[ 11:48] Liana Hubbenfluff: Teaching more info rich maybe; but these discussions more diverse (though hard to follow sometimes)

[ 11:48] Beth Ghostraven: @Zotarah, transcription would help too, for filling in later

[ 11:48] Zotarah Shepherd: Yes

[ 11:49] Liana Hubbenfluff: I like the transcriptions – easy to skim through

[ 11:49] AJ Brooks: What tips do you use to follow this type of text chat meeting>

[ 11:49] Riven Homewood: I don’t like group discussions in voice, either in sl or elsewhere online – it gets too confusing, and one or two people end up dominating the conversation

[ 11:49] Kali Pizzaro: Yes Liana turn taking is not as obvious in thee meetings

[ 11:49] Kali Pizzaro: these

[ 11:49] AJ Brooks: I open my text chat window to pretty big – both wide and deep

[ 11:49] Liana Hubbenfluff: me too

[ 11:49] AJ Brooks: lets me see more of the conversration and it doesn’t fly by so fast

[ 11:49] Zotarah Shepherd: I always copy the chat logs and read them later to see what I missed or to remember some information.

[ 11:49] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): /me agrees w Riven

[ 11:49] Liana Hubbenfluff: wow Zo!

[ 11:50] AJ Brooks: we also make the chat logs available on our web site in our library

[ 11:50] AJ Brooks: every meeting is there

[ 11:50] Cindy Bolero: yes and remember what you say in SL does not stay in SL

[ 11:50] Kali Pizzaro: Hi Cindy

[ 11:50] Riven Homewood: That’;s a wonderful resource, AJ

[ 11:50] Cindy Bolero: Hi Kali

[ 11:50] AJ Brooks: lol – true cindy

[ 11:50] AJ Brooks: Thanks Riven

[ 11:50] Zotarah Shepherd: I am so glad you do that AJ. A few times I could not be here that really helped me.

[ 11:50] Kali Pizzaro: indeed it can be searched

[ 11:50] AJ Brooks: @Cindy – thats why we make sure to announce at the start of every meeting that this one is public

[ 11:51] Kali Pizzaro: but remember that IM chat is different

[ 11:51] Kali Pizzaro: TOS must get permission to copy

[ 11:51] AJ Brooks: so, what tips do you have for attending text meetings in SL?

[ 11:51] Kali Pizzaro: and should not be pasted in local

[ 11:51] Kali Pizzaro: fast eyes

[ 11:51] Merlin Moonshadow: lol

[ 11:52] AJ Brooks:

[ 11:52] Sheila Yoshikawa: fast fingers

[ 11:52] Zotarah Shepherd: I only use the chat logs for myself unless I am running the meeting then I announce where I will post it for others.

[ 11:52] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): I do the same – open the chat window so I can see a lot at once – and have learned not to freak out when I lose track. I can always look back later.

[ 11:52] AJ Brooks: what about field trips here in SL

[ 11:52] Kali Pizzaro: fast run to the loo or you miss most of the chat

[ 11:52] Riven Homewood: Be prepared for multiple threads of content at once – at first, it’s confusing, but after a while you learn to sort them out and follow them

[ 11:52] Kali Pizzaro: oops sorry

[ 11:52] Kali Pizzaro: field trips mm not been on many but try to stick to the group

[ 11:52] Zotarah Shepherd: I like to be able to look back in Local Chat to see what I missed if it gets too fast to follow.

[ 11:52] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Field trips: very difficult for new folks, I think

[ 11:53] AJ Brooks: yes – that is something that is different in digital domains over the real world, conversation splinteres

[ 11:53] Kali Pizzaro: have a group TP if you can

[ 11:53] Beth Ghostraven: big learning curve for people new to SL

[ 11:53] AJ Brooks: field trips are tough – just like in RL tho

[ 11:53] AJ Brooks: different ways, but still tough

[ 11:53] Kali Pizzaro:

[ 11:53] Riven Homewood: Often more like a learning cliff

[ 11:53] Tori Landau: use group chat for fieldtrips, if it works

[ 11:53] Riven Homewood: group chat helps a whole lot!

[ 11:53] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Field trip organizers do well to have at least some of their content on NCs, and a way to be good to those who get lost

[ 11:53] Beth Ghostraven: @Riven, yeah, I’ve fallen off of that one!

[ 11:53] AJ Brooks: have a time and desintation plan and put it in a notecard

[ 11:53] Kali Pizzaro: and make sure folks have friends that can tp if needed

[ 11:53] AJ Brooks: give that to people so they can always catch up with you

[ 11:54] AJ Brooks: the LMs can go in there too

[ 11:54] Sheila Yoshikawa: lots of plasnning needed, and always useful to have 2 people involved, so can have one person at the departure and arrival point

[ 11:54] Kali Pizzaro: yep

[ 11:54] Beth Ghostraven: good idea @AJ

[ 11:54] Zotarah Shepherd: Yes sometimes there are several subtopics going and I have to tie them up, order them and address them. Not easy, but more through.

[ 11:54] AJ Brooks: yes – two people to run a field trip – def.

[ 11:54] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): At least.

[ 11:54] Riven Homewood: If you’re going to more than one location during the trip, have all the lms on a notecard and give it to people

[ 11:54] AJ Brooks: again – no too dissimlar to a RL field trip

[ 11:54] Zotarah Shepherd: /me nods 2 at the least

[ 11:54] Sheila Yoshikawa: making them friends makes it easier to tp them if they get stuck at any point or fall off something

[ 11:54] Kali Pizzaro: yep

[ 11:55] AJ Brooks: /me nods

[ 11:55] AJ Brooks: ok – roundtable, formal calss, field trip – what other types of meetings are there?

[ 11:55] Beth Ghostraven: I’m assuming you’re talking about adult students on field trips; I don’t think you could have enough chaperones for middle schoolers

[ 11:55] Liana Hubbenfluff: skype ones

[ 11:55] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): I went on a field trip to World of Warcraft at VWBPE this year. The organizers had students to take responsibility for small groups of visitors, even for individuals, to help people get around.

[ 11:55] Zotarah Shepherd: I always friend students or tour groups. and so does my assisstant

[ 11:55] Riven Homewood: staff meetings

[ 11:55] Kali Pizzaro: large meetings – VWER at VWBPE

[ 11:56] AJ Brooks: meetings – work related get something accopmlished meetings

[ 11:56] Kali Pizzaro:

[ 11:56] AJ Brooks: lets come back to large meetings, thats good too

[ 11:56] Riven Homewood: I went on that trip too, Grizla – it was really, really well organized

[ 11:56] AJ Brooks: how many of you have ever attended a work, get something accmplished, meeting in SL?

[ 11:56] Zotarah Shepherd: Business meetings are something like a roundtable

[ 11:56] Kali Pizzaro: me

[ 11:56] Sheila Yoshikawa: Ah – I have a talk at Minerva a couple of years ago, about organising Information Literacy week in Second Life, that’s teh biggest thing I’ve done, I listed various tips

[ 11:56] Tori Landau: me

[ 11:56] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): me

[ 11:56] Merlin Moonshadow: /me raises hand

[ 11:56] Liana Hubbenfluff: Some people Tweet during conferences which is good capture of info

[ 11:56] Sheila Yoshikawa: http://people.cohums.ohio-state.edu/collingwood7/minerva/conference09_sheila.html

[ 11:56] Sheila Yoshikawa: the talk I gave is there

[ 11:56] Riven Homewood: me – professional work group, not my paying job

[ 11:56] Captain Hammer (ucmo.hotshot): i have but it was small group and it ws concerning SL

[ 11:56] Kali Pizzaro: it was more a remote lets get work done kind of meeting

[ 11:56] Sheila Yoshikawa: the text

[ 11:57] Lali Latte: a colleague and I developed a presentation together in SL by using GoogleDocs

[ 11:57] AJ Brooks: are work meetings in SL the same as in RL?

[ 11:57] AJ Brooks: do you take them as seriously

[ 11:57] AJ Brooks: do you think things get accomplished better or worse?

[ 11:57] Kali Pizzaro: not always you can have fun as well as work (oh i do that in rl too)

[ 11:57] Sheila Yoshikawa: they are taken as seriously at root, but they may LOOK more lighthearted I think

[ 11:57] Riven Homewood: text chat slows meeting discussion down a lot

[ 11:58] Liana Hubbenfluff: I wish my company would meet in SL so I’d know who was talking! we have about 30 of us on conference call

[ 11:58] Kali Pizzaro: i use voice

[ 11:58] AJ Brooks: so you think work meetings are better in voice?

[ 11:58] AJ Brooks: I’d agree

[ 11:58] Kali Pizzaro: yes

[ 11:58] Lali Latte: yes

[ 11:58] AJ Brooks: people follow certain conventions in voice

[ 11:58] Zotarah Shepherd: SL meetings can run more smoothly and immersively in a VW than in RL and in other applications too.

[ 11:58] Kali Pizzaro: turn taking is easier

[ 11:58] Text Timeless: I like the slower pace of text chat – people seem to pay more attention to each other

[ 11:58] AJ Brooks: voice wouldn’t work as well for this type of meeting we’re having today

[ 11:58] AJ Brooks: we’ll be having a meeting on using voice in SL soon – what is the date Griz?

[ 11:58] Zotarah Shepherd: It would be chaos if we were all in voice hehe

[ 11:58] Sheila Yoshikawa: I think text chat meetings can work, very useful to have the transcript to look back on

[ 11:58] Merlin Moonshadow: A combination of voice and text works well. Side conversations can go on as the meeting progresses in voice.

[ 11:59] Kali Pizzaro: yep

[ 11:59] Sheila Yoshikawa: it depends what you are debating really

[ 11:59] AJ Brooks: I prefer VWs over Elluminate or WebEx

[ 11:59] Kali Pizzaro: i like to keep chat logs with students so they can reflect on the conversation

[ 11:59] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): /me agrees w Text – and if you miss something someone said, you can go back to the log

[ 11:59] Zotarah Shepherd: Me too AJ

[ 11:59] AJ Brooks: but most people I work with don’t have VW accounts

[ 11:59] Riven Homewood: Voice really depends on taking turns and knowing who’s talking

[ 11:59] Merlin Moonshadow: Agreed, AJ. Much more sense of presence.

[ 11:59] Kali Pizzaro: yep i do too

[ 12:00] Zotarah Shepherd: Their loss AJ and I think that will change someday

[ 12:00] AJ Brooks: Hey, Grizzla, when is your meeting on voice in SL – the 23rd?

[ 12:00] Kali Pizzaro: and social presence

[ 12:00] Kali Pizzaro: Hi Graham

[ 12:00] Text Timeless: So does all that mean that success of voice depends less on the technology and more on the group dynamics?

[ 12:00] AJ Brooks: great question @Text

[ 12:00] AJ Brooks: what do you all think

[ 12:00] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Yes, the 23rd the topic is audio in SL

[ 12:00] Zotarah Shepherd: I think both Text

[ 12:00] Sheila Yoshikawa: well, if th etechnology of voice isn’t working, that’s teh killer of voice

[ 12:01] AJ Brooks: is voice more about social protocol than technical protocol?

[ 12:01] Riven Homewood: If i’m at a meeting in a virtual world, I feel like I’m at a meeting — If I’m on a conference call, I feel like I’m sitting alone and talking to people who are far away

[ 12:01] Zotarah Shepherd: Yay Grizzla

[ 12:01] Kali Pizzaro: maybe but I find it hard to know who saying what as you need t try to find the green waves

[ 12:01] Text Timeless: @Riven I feel the same

[ 12:01] AJ Brooks: @Riven, but what about Web Ex or Elluminate, where you can see the pother person – or even Skype or Facetime

[ 12:01] Sheila Yoshikawa: good point kali

[ 12:01] Kali Pizzaro: terrible if it is an open meeting and you are transcribing

[ 12:01] Beth Ghostraven: voice works well for a panel where the speakers are up front

[ 12:01] Zotarah Shepherd: /me nods to Riven

[ 12:01] Kali Pizzaro: ok if it is more a traditional interivew

[ 12:01] AJ Brooks: @kali – lol

[ 12:02] Kali Pizzaro:

[ 12:02] Merlin Moonshadow: Yes, in a group of more than a few people, it gets hard to keep track of who’s talking.

[ 12:02] Captain Hammer (ucmo.hotshot): @Beth like a virtual soap box…

[ 12:02] Tori Landau: Re. voice, my group of friends, especially when meeting new people, we announce who is talking when we start so that people know

[ 12:02] Text Timeless: or talking stick

[ 12:02] AJ Brooks: Hey – we need transcribers, too – speak to kali in IM or off line if you’re willing to help out and learn

[ 12:02] Kali Pizzaro: yes Tori ok if they remember

[ 12:02] Riven Homewood: Yes, it’s pretty muich the same inworld, on a webinar software, or on a conference call — voice works well when you know who is speaking

[ 12:02] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Voice meetings are definitely easier if there are only a handful of people

[ 12:02] Graham Mills: apologies I am using new release of lumiya (android client)

[ 12:02] AJ Brooks: The VWER management team holds out meeting here in SL and in voice chat

[ 12:02] Kali Pizzaro: yeah plese do I am rubbish at rememberig to ask

[ 12:03] Riven Homewood: Yes! Griz

[ 12:03] Graham Mills: ie a bit slow

[ 12:03] Zotarah Shepherd: I can transcribe for myself but I don’t type fast enough to transcribe for others

[ 12:03] AJ Brooks: thats anotehr aspect of meetings – transcribing

[ 12:03] Kali Pizzaro:

[ 12:03] AJ Brooks: is word-for-word the only acceptable transcript or is “essence” ok?

[ 12:03] Kali Pizzaro: V3 now has spell check lol

[ 12:03] Zotarah Shepherd: Transcribers are gold!

[ 12:03] Kali Pizzaro: i do a wee bit of both

[ 12:04] AJ Brooks: our transcribers don’t do word-for-word, but I think they get the idea across

[ 12:04] Graham Mills: Of course you do get voice recognition in android and I can speed up data input

[ 12:04] Riven Homewood: I can’t both attend a meeting and transcribe – I have to do one or the other – transcribing means I can’t really participate

[ 12:04] Kali Pizzaro: sometimes I can guess what they are going to say

[ 12:04] Graham Mills: No tell me about 90 percent accurate

[ 12:04] Sheila Yoshikawa: oo spooky kali

[ 12:04] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Cool, Graham, I’ve been playing around w Lumiya as well

[ 12:04] Kali Pizzaro: well if it is about a particular subject

[ 12:05] Graham Mills: Correction 50 percent accurate

[ 12:05] Kali Pizzaro:

[ 12:05] Tori Landau: i’m happy enough with essence of, but in past had some people complain if it wasn’t word for word, couple of years ago that happened.

[ 12:05] AJ Brooks: @Riven, I’m afriad it does mean that the experience is different, but I think it can also be richer because you are forced to actually listen to everything that is going on without a thought of needing to respond. Its odd, different, but in a good way

[ 12:05] Kali Pizzaro: I have transcribed for myself

[ 12:05] Riven Homewood: sometimes word for word is way too much, tho

[ 12:05] Tori Landau: agree Riven

[ 12:05] Riven Homewood: Yes, AJ , that makes sense

[ 12:05] Kali Pizzaro: but sometimes forgot to type and it is a bit stilted

[ 12:06] AJ Brooks: and @Riven, when I said you I didn’t mean “you” particularily – but the royal “you”

[ 12:06] AJ Brooks: lol

[ 12:06] Riven Homewood:

[ 12:06] AJ Brooks: so – this brings up a good point – how many peopel does it take to run a meeting

[ 12:06] AJ Brooks: class meeting – its usually just you, right?

[ 12:06] Zotarah Shepherd: Voice to text comes with some newer computers, but Dragon works better in SL from what I hear.

[ 12:06] Sheila Yoshikawa: actually I do liveblogging at conferences – not exactly the same as I am trying to summarise what is going on, not transcribe, but I probably use similar skills…

[ 12:06] AJ Brooks: do any of you have students who take to SL quickly help the others?

[ 12:07] Cindy Bolero: depends on the meeting.

[ 12:07] Lali Latte: yes

[ 12:07] Kali Pizzaro: yes

[ 12:07] Lali Latte: I usually have students help each other

[ 12:07] Text Timeless: absolutely

[ 12:07] AJ Brooks: i’m asking about formal classes, in this example

[ 12:07] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): It depends on whether they’re from Calif

[ 12:07] AJ Brooks: lol

[ 12:07] Cindy Bolero: yes there are those that take to SL quickly if you dont ask them to do too much

[ 12:07] Lali Latte: lol

[ 12:07] Kali Pizzaro: mine have found solutions to things i did not even know after a week of use

[ 12:07] Zotarah Shepherd: I had some teens who did that.

[ 12:07] Lali Latte: @Kali I have had the same experience with my students

[ 12:07] AJ Brooks: yeah – students are creatively wondeful when you let them, and when they let themsevles

[ 12:08] AJ Brooks: most of them are unwilling to let themselves enjoy it

[ 12:08] AJ Brooks: they are too stuck in the tradional model of education

[ 12:08] Lali Latte: Mine have no trouble enjoying it

[ 12:08] Kali Pizzaro: yes and they then created their own etiquette

[ 12:08] Cindy Bolero: the biggest problem for new users is LL makes it harder and harder with complexity. We need someone to design an EZ viewer that is less overwhelming. Until then, we have our work cut out for us

[ 12:08] AJ Brooks: but then again, they have neem trained to do that

[ 12:08] Riven Homewood: One of the best RL meeting I ever attended had two people — one leading the discussion and a second person who just summarized, wrote it on flip charts, and posted them around the room

[ 12:08] Lali Latte: I teach grad students and they become children again – very creative

[ 12:08] Kali Pizzaro: funny to watch

[ 12:08] Kali Pizzaro: the etiquette

[ 12:08] Graham Mills: Well nearest to meet you at 2 years

[ 12:08] Lali Latte: I usually give them some time in class to express their creativity – they have to get it out of their system

[ 12:08] Liana Hubbenfluff: *yay for EZ viewer to be developed!

[ 12:08] Beth Ghostraven: equipment matters, too–I had to buy a new computer to use the SL Viewer

[ 12:09] Graham Mills: oops

[ 12:09] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Cindy, do you know that LL tried out a “Basic” viewer last year? It was a disaster

[ 12:09] AJ Brooks: ok – lets sqitch gears a bit. Conference meetings

[ 12:09] Kali Pizzaro: I like meetings where I can participate in both virtual and physical world

[ 12:09] AJ Brooks: switch, even

[ 12:09] Kali Pizzaro: oops sorry

[ 12:09] AJ Brooks: how are THEY different?

[ 12:09] Liana Hubbenfluff: @Beth argh!!! thinking of that too

[ 12:09] Cindy Bolero: I produce or sometimes serve as a team member for large scale mixed reality conferences. It can involve an army of helpers, or not.

[ 12:10] AJ Brooks: and now SL is making it so that the a viewer that can access SL can’t access open sim also

[ 12:10] AJ Brooks: they’ve removed the connection code from being accepted

[ 12:10] Zotarah Shepherd: I like the complexity of SL since it gives me more flexible tools. When LL simplifies I cannot do as much.

[ 12:10] Kali Pizzaro: is that not to do with havok?

[ 12:10] AJ Brooks: this is a direct swipe at open sim

[ 12:10] Sheila Yoshikawa: ok I’m going to post my link again, the short text i di about the differences between organising RL and SL events http://people.cohums.ohio-state.edu/collingwood7/minerva/conference09_sheila.html

[ 12:10] Liana Hubbenfluff: @AJ NOT a good idea I think…will fail

[ 12:10] Kali Pizzaro: woo fab Sheila

[ 12:10] AJ Brooks: it has everything to do with fear and anger

[ 12:11] Sheila Yoshikawa: one of my top things – no need to organise food and drink in SL

[ 12:11] Cindy Bolero: Yes Zotarah thats fine for you who became engaged and enthused, but new users are delicate beings that may not come back after a frustrating first experience

[ 12:11] Sheila Yoshikawa: in the UK a meeting can stand or fall by the qquality of the coffee

[ 12:11] Birdie Newcomb: or limiting the things to keep track of.

[ 12:11] AJ Brooks: LL is pissed at this gnat that is becoming a bird

[ 12:11] Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): A moment more about an easy viewer – so much depends on what you want people to be able to do in SL. That was the problem, I think, w LL’s “basic” mode. It had things our students didn’t need, that confused them – and left out other elements they did need, for our purposes.

[ 12:11] Beth Ghostraven: @sheila or professional clothing, either )

[ 12:11] Lali Latte: thank you, Sheila

[ 12:11] Birdie Newcomb: obsoleting themselves

[ 12:11] Riven Homewood: Yes, I agree, Griz

[ 12:11] AJ Brooks: I want to get to conference meetings, so I’m going to try to shift the conversation (sorry)

[ 12:11] AJ Brooks: how are conference meetings different

[ 12:12] Riven Homewood: Sometimes I think nobody at the Lab actually uses SL

[ 12:12] Sheila Yoshikawa: you can customise the venue in SL, put it up the night before

[ 12:12] Zotarah Shepherd: The first 2 weeks in SL I was in tears and wanted to throw my computer out the window. Not as much help or good orientation places back then.

[ 12:12] Liana Hubbenfluff: @Birdie yep

[ 12:12] Sheila Yoshikawa: on the other hand the venue can completely disappear 5 mins before you are due to start

[ 12:12] AJ Brooks: how many of you have ever made a presentation for colleagues here in SL?

[ 12:12] Galileo Zeplin: conferences are generally bigger scale, right?

[ 12:12] Cindy Bolero: My target audience and user base is catering to those who come in for short visit, such as class, training, or activity. It is important that everything is provided, simple, so they are in and doing fast, and can leave within an hour or so. Not expecting them to become immersed in SL cultures

[ 12:12] Sheila Yoshikawa: so you have to have a backup venue

[ 12:12] Sheila Yoshikawa: that doesn’t normally happen in rl

[ 12:12] Kali Pizzaro: Ah VAI have just posted in the educators list aobut how they ran last weeks VA disability conference – timely or what

[ 12:12] Text Timeless: love conferences in SL – built-in backchannel, multimedia handouts that you don’t have to lug around in a stupid tote bag…

[ 12:13] Riven Homewood: Cindy, how do you arrange that?

[ 12:13] Kali Pizzaro: nip in and out and listen to folk who you might never get to listen too surrounded by firends

[ 12:13] AJ Brooks: what do you think about meetings about virtual worlds in the real world not also taking place in a virtual world simultaneously?

[ 12:13] Kali Pizzaro: friends

[ 12:13] Sheila Yoshikawa: at a SL conference you can unobtrusicvely leave a dull session

[ 12:13] Kali Pizzaro: lol

[ 12:13] Zotarah Shepherd: And it is LL’s creation. They made their code open and probably thought they would advance so fast other grids would not be much competition.

[ 12:14] Text Timeless: @AJ – unless that’s to make a specific point, that’s kind of insulting

[ 12:14] Sheila Yoshikawa: I don’t have a problem with that AJ

[ 12:14] Riven Homewood: I had a wonderful time at SLCC last year – that’s a very good example of a rl meeting about a virtual world

[ 12:14] Text Timeless: (on the part of the organizers, not your question)

[ 12:14] Beth Ghostraven: @AJ, American Library Assoc conferences have a virtual conference track along w/ the RL track

[ 12:14] AJ Brooks: @Text – why insulting?

[ 12:14] Beth Ghostraven: but not in SL

[ 12:14] AJ Brooks: there is a LOT involved to doing a simlutaneous meeting

[ 12:14] Kali Pizzaro: it can depend on the venue

[ 12:14] AJ Brooks: I’ve done MANY MANY of them

[ 12:14] Sheila Yoshikawa: I think it’s better to have an event that works well inone environment, than have one where people are being distrate=cted because perhaps there’s something wrong with teh liunkup etc

[ 12:15] Kali Pizzaro: if no wifi or internet

[ 12:15] Zotarah Shepherd: I miss big conferences in SL. VWBPE is great.

[ 12:15] Text Timeless: I feel like it’s sort of like a doctor talking about the patient as if he’s not there – or without him at all

[ 12:15] Lali Latte: I confess – I have presented about SL in RL but not simultaneously

[ 12:15] AJ Brooks: VWBPE is great

[ 12:15] AJ Brooks: they do a stellar job

[ 12:15] Merlin Moonshadow: Having an inworld component makes it easier for people to attend.

[ 12:15] AJ Brooks: I have too – many times

[ 12:15] Text Timeless: mixed reality events are often the best

[ 12:15] Cindy Bolero: Lali I have done many presentations from SL on big screen to large RL audiences and vice versa

[ 12:15] Sheila Yoshikawa: why do you think that Text?

[ 12:15] AJ Brooks: sometimes SL works AGAINST me but not working as it should, which happens far too often

[ 12:15] Zotarah Shepherd: NMC used to have great conferences too.

[ 12:16] Kali Pizzaro: sometimes a video is good back up if no wifi or wired Internet available

[ 12:16] Sheila Yoshikawa: actually when I’m at a SL event, i’d rather it was all in SL

[ 12:16] Cindy Bolero: The good news is, SL regions run better than ever. Less crashes, better processing. the old days were trying

[ 12:16] Riven Homewood: The first SL conference I went to was at NMC – and I was struck by how much it felt like a rl conference

[ 12:16] Sheila Yoshikawa: yes mer too Riven

[ 12:16] Sheila Yoshikawa: wonder if it was teh same conference @Riven

[ 12:16] Zotarah Shepherd: Yes Riven I loved NMC

[ 12:16] Text Timeless: For one thing, I hate travelling to RL conferences anyway, but I love learning communities. But also, I’ve found that people who can put on a mixed reality event generally have fewer technical problems (not always) and tend to have better tech session tracks

[ 12:17] Riven Homewood: Very likely it was

[ 12:17] AJ Brooks: Who here is on Twitter? You can just say yes or no

[ 12:17] Liana Hubbenfluff: yes

[ 12:17] Beth Ghostraven: yes

[ 12:17] Sheila Yoshikawa: yes

[ 12:17] Graham Mills: yes

[ 12:17] Riven Homewood: yes

[ 12:17] AJ Brooks: Yes

[ 12:17] Merlin Moonshadow: yes

[ 12:17] Text Timeless: yes

[ 12:17] Tori Landau: no

[ 12:17] Birdie Newcomb: not at the moment

[ 12:17] Liana Hubbenfluff: I love following conferences on Twitter

[ 12:17] AJ Brooks: wow – most of us – how cool is that

[ 12:17] Kali Pizzaro: yes

[ 12:17] Zotarah Shepherd: I joined but don’t tweet

[ 12:17] AJ Brooks: so – we’re going to try and have a VWER meeting on Twitter

[ 12:17] Tori Landau: it is on my to do list

[ 12:17] Beth Ghostraven: @Riven, were you at the tweetchat last night?

[ 12:17] Liana Hubbenfluff: oooooo

[ 12:17] Riven Homewood: Yes, Beth

[ 12:17] Merlin Moonshadow: I really don’t use it much, though. I need to get more familiar with the platform.

[ 12:18] AJ Brooks: Wednesday the 22nd – I think the time is 1pm SLT but let me confirm that

[ 12:18] Lali Latte: @Cindy – that’s cool! I’m going to give a presentation to students in Hungary and haven’t decided yet to use a format like you mentioned or just do a video conference

[ 12:18] AJ Brooks: each tweet must contain the hashtag #vwer

[ 12:18] Riven Homewood: I will be at work

[ 12:18] Sheila Yoshikawa: I find conferences on twitter a bit frustrating – suppose it dependfs who is tweeting – i have a feeling that some speaker s go for tweetable soundbites, which i find irritating

[ 12:18] AJ Brooks: peopel can go to search.twitter.com and follow #vwer

[ 12:18] AJ Brooks: and all teh tweets will come up

[ 12:18] AJ Brooks: thats how we’ll follow the conversation

[ 12:18] Birdie Newcomb: might get some German auto folks…

[ 12:18] AJ Brooks: and what the #vwer is so important

[ 12:18] AJ Brooks: anyone can join in

[ 12:18] Beth Ghostraven: tweetchat,com helps you put the hashtag in & follow the conversation

[ 12:18] Liana Hubbenfluff: awesome

[ 12:19] AJ Brooks: even folks not currently at these meetings or know anything about the VWER but see it from your tweets

[ 12:19] Cindy Bolero: Lali when you do a presentation from SL to a place you are not physically at, you must plan well ahead that the RL meeting room has all the technology needed and a good operator

[ 12:19] Kali Pizzaro: you can follow the hastag on your phone app quite easily

[ 12:19] AJ Brooks: who’s up for that?

[ 12:19] Text Timeless: never done a conference over twitter – what bonuses do you get from that?

[ 12:19] AJ Brooks: phone, tablet, computer – anywhere you are

[ 12:19] Sheila Yoshikawa: @Cindy very much agree

[ 12:19] AJ Brooks: not conference – chat

[ 12:19] Text Timeless: ah

[ 12:19] Zotarah Shepherd: I like to try new things

[ 12:19] Cindy Bolero: The best way to give SL demo to a small group without them logging in, is use SKYPE desktop

[ 12:20] Lali Latte: @Cindy – thank you! The presentation isn’t until next year – sounds like I need to get started though!

[ 12:20] AJ Brooks: I’ve only ever followed the tail end of one but would like to try and see whats its like

[ 12:20] Sheila Yoshikawa: I had a couple of experiences early on where people said “tyes we installed teh SL browser” and it turned out it meant “I have found the SL website”

[ 12:20] Sheila Yoshikawa: yes, not “tyes”

[ 12:20] Kali Pizzaro: i am up for it but must admit find them a bit annoying esp if folk do multiple retweet of the same tweet

[ 12:20] Graham Mills: can follow using twitterfall or twazzup

[ 12:20] Liana Hubbenfluff: what’s nice about doing #vwer is that others can follow and not be in SL

[ 12:20] Riven Homewood: The gamesmooc is doing very interesting things with Google Hangouts too – combining rl and sl for a presentation using Hangouts

[ 12:20] AJ Brooks: Either later tonight or tomorrow, check http://www.vwer.org or look for the FaceBook event in teh FB group

[ 12:21] Liana Hubbenfluff: that would be helpful @Graham to know about those

[ 12:21] Sheila Yoshikawa: I participated in a focused discussion about information literacy, just on twietter last month

[ 12:21] Liana Hubbenfluff: thx AJ

[ 12:21] Kali Pizzaro: sounds interesting Riven

[ 12:21] Sheila Yoshikawa: i found it a bit souless copmpared to SL

[ 12:21] AJ Brooks: there are tones of ways to follwo the hashtag – and I hope folks will follow, but also participate.

[ 12:21] Sheila Yoshikawa: more difficult to judge who was participating

[ 12:21] Beth Ghostraven: @sheila yes, but easier to use

[ 12:21] Sheila Yoshikawa: a couple of people would just dot in for one tweet

[ 12:21] AJ Brooks: yes – but if you follow the hashtag via a search function you can see it listed like this text chat

[ 12:22] AJ Brooks: the real plus to me is – I can do it from anywhere and it doesnt’ need to be a linear conversation

[ 12:22] AJ Brooks: AND people can respond after the apppointed meeting time

[ 12:22] Kali Pizzaro: need to watch not at exactly the same time as established edu chats

[ 12:22] Sheila Yoshikawa: but then – sort of depends why you are doing it. I suppose I like to feel some fun or participation pleasure, as well as getting something useful out of it

[ 12:23] Tori Landau: me too Sheila

[ 12:23] Kali Pizzaro: it is different not a replacement

[ 12:23] Kali Pizzaro: for here

[ 12:23] Liana Hubbenfluff: well people filter for you on Twitter

[ 12:23] Liana Hubbenfluff: so you get interesting bits

[ 12:23] Sheila Yoshikawa: if you don’t have to be there at that time, you are less likely to make the effort, so it becomes a more asynchronous activity

[ 12:23] Liana Hubbenfluff: also links

[ 12:24] AJ Brooks: I think its harder to follow than a local text chat here in SL, but that might just have been the one I caught the end of

[ 12:24] Kali Pizzaro: we will be in the American library (is that right) lol

[ 12:24] Kali Pizzaro: archived

[ 12:24] AJ Brooks: what this also means, if folks start following the hashtag is that a conversation can get started at almost ANY time

[ 12:25] Birdie Newcomb: livin’ on the Web

[ 12:25] Liana Hubbenfluff: you can “check in” to see what’s been tweeted at #vwer

[ 12:25] Kali Pizzaro: Graham you must be knackered you have not stopped running all night

[ 12:25] Kali Pizzaro: lol

[ 12:25] AJ Brooks: when you seOk – its Wednesday, August 22nd at 3pm East Coast time, so thats 12 Noon SLT

[ 12:25] Kali Pizzaro: 8pm UK

[ 12:25] AJ Brooks: follow the #vwer on Twitter – and participate

[ 12:25] AJ Brooks: we have about 5 minutes left

[ 12:26] AJ Brooks: burning questions or last thoughts?

[ 12:26] Liana Hubbenfluff: this may also pull in more people interested in VW

[ 12:26] Liana Hubbenfluff: edu I mean

[ 12:26] AJ Brooks: /me point to nose with index finger

[ 12:26] AJ Brooks: there is a method to my madness – ok, maybe not

[ 12:26] Liana Hubbenfluff: thanks for holding these meetings all!

[ 12:26] Kali Pizzaro: are folks taking oics

[ 12:26] Kali Pizzaro: pics

[ 12:26] Sheila Yoshikawa: i’d rather take oics

[ 12:26] Kali Pizzaro: hehe

[ 12:26] Zotarah Shepherd: hehe

[ 12:27] Sheila Yoshikawa: i have taken some pics

[ 12:27] Captain Hammer (ucmo.hotshot): I hope not, My ava is in the witness relocation program!

[ 12:27] Liana Hubbenfluff: where to send pics again?

[ 12:27] Sheila Yoshikawa: lol captain

[ 12:27] AJ Brooks: so – jsut for these meetings you have a moderator, the person who takes pictures for the transcript, and the person taking the transcript

[ 12:27] Tori Landau: last thought it that I giggle more at sl meetings than rl ones ¡?¡

[ 12:27] AJ Brooks: LOL – Tori

[ 12:27] AJ Brooks: me too

[ 12:27] AJ Brooks: ok – maybe not

[ 12:27] Riven Homewood: me too

[ 12:27] Sheila Yoshikawa: yes me too

[ 12:27] Zotarah Shepherd: /me nods

[ 12:27] AJ Brooks: actually – don’t giggle all that much

[ 12:27] Kali Pizzaro: and 17 people for the transcript

[ 12:27] AJ Brooks: I have a very loud laugh

[ 12:27] AJ Brooks: people know when I’m in the room if I’m laughing

[ 12:27] AJ Brooks: LOL

[ 12:27] Liana Hubbenfluff:

[ 12:27] Riven Homewood: I mostly just smile

[ 12:28] AJ Brooks: you guys are awesome, thanks for coming out

[ 12:28] AJ Brooks: great conversation

[ 12:28] Beth Ghostraven: This was interesting–thanks!

[ 12:28] Liana Hubbenfluff: what are the pills on the table?

[ 12:28] Liana Hubbenfluff: lol

[ 12:28] Lali Latte: thank you

[ 12:28] AJ Brooks: who learned something today – and what was it?

[ 12:28] Kali Pizzaro: ah and facebook messages, in world notices and group IM just before the meeting and speakeasy AJ

[ 12:28] Kali Pizzaro:

[ 12:28] Birdie Newcomb: looking forward to the twitter

[ 12:28] Kali Pizzaro: the list gets longer

[ 12:28] Beth Ghostraven: some links to check

[ 12:28] Tori Landau: oh gosh yes, the advertising

[ 12:29] AJ Brooks: made possible through the kindness of at-one-time strangers

[ 12:29] Birdie Newcomb: now, how can we monetize this…

[ 12:29] Kali Pizzaro: if folks did not know before it takes a fair bit to run and advertise these meetings over multiple time zomes

[ 12:29] Sheila Yoshikawa: yes you have to spend hours just doing the notices in social media and google calendar

[ 12:29] Text Timeless: @Liana the label says anti-lag pills

[ 12:29] Kali Pizzaro: but we luv yeah all

[ 12:29] Riven Homewood: Oh, I want a bottle!

[ 12:29] Liana Hubbenfluff: ah ty ^^

[ 12:30] AJ Brooks: lol – me too

[ 12:30] AJ Brooks: Thats our meeting for this week

[ 12:30] Zotarah Shepherd: Bye Sheila

[ 12:30] Liana Hubbenfluff: thx everyone!

[ 12:30] Kali Pizzaro: woop

[ 12:30] AJ Brooks: thanks again everyone – it was really great, I enjoyed it

[ 12:30] Lali Latte: bye, thank you

[ 12:30] Sheila Yoshikawa: bye all

[ 12:30] Zotarah Shepherd: Bye everyone