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Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable, December 6, 2012
Topic: Tell Santa: What Simulation Do YOU Want in STEM, the Arts, Humanities or Social Sciences?
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Iggy: Hello everyone and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable! Our topic today is “Tell Santa: What Simulation Do YOU Want in STEM, the Arts, Humanities, or Social Sciences?”
Iggy: This is a public meeting in TEXT CHAT, so we will be keeping and publishing a transcript of what is said. If you’ve not seen our transcripts, you should check them out – they are an excellent information asset.
Iggy: I’m Joe Essid, Writing Center Director at the University of Richmond. Last year I used an immersive literary build based on Poe’s “Fall of the House of Usher” in Jokaydia Grid with my literature students. You’ll find a version in SL too,
Iggy: Thanks to the goodwill of Kali Pizzaro and Glasgow Caledonian University, I’ll use that build next semester for a first-year class!
Iggy: A bit about this group, if you are new to VWER:
Iggy: The VWER meets each Thursday at 11:30am SLT for an hour and is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.
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Iggy: Now, let’s begin as we always do, and introduce ourselves.
Iggy: Don’t be shy–type away
Zotarah Shepherd: I am working on an MA in Education Technology at Sonoma State University in northern California. I finished all my classes. My Thesis project: Teaching and Learning Life Awareness & Success Skills in Virtual Worlds.
David Stack (richmedia): Hi, David Stack, Deputy CIO, UW-Milwaukee
Grinn Pidgeon: Barbara Pittman, PhD (English), Cuyahoga Community College, Cleveland, Ohio. Instructional technology.
Delenn Daines: Judy Kelly, Biology Dept Henry Ford community college, dearborn MI
Grizzla: Chris Robinson, Georgia Gwinnett College, metro Atlanta
Galileo Zeplin: ed johnson – board of regents, university system of georgia
Beth Ghostraven: Beth O’Connell, middle school librarian (ages 11-14), Virginia, US
Wrenaria Antiesse: Kimmy Hescock, Social and Immersive Media Manager at Oregon State University.
Birdie Newcomb: Birdie Newborn, publisher and book geek
Stephen Xootfly: Greetings. Stephen Gasior, Ph.D., Instructor in Biology at U of New Orleans. I’ve taught nonmajors in Second Life and Founder of Biological Interactive Objects for Science Education.
Tori Landau: Patricia Dean, volunteer owner of the former international schools island, renamed moonstone, and event coordinator for the open university’s sims, Deep Think.
Iggy: okay, so about the topic
Iggy: we have lots of great simulations in SL and Open Sim
Iggy: our own Theorists’ project by AJ and his colleagues
Iggy: Vassar’s Sistine Chapel, etc. etc.
Iggy: but so many have gone or never been imagined so….
Iggy: let’s go through the disciples, starting with STEM.
Iggy: What would you ask Santa for as a simulation in STEM?
Iggy: and why?
Birdie Newcomb: I think I saw life on Mars somewhere, didn’t i?
Grinn Pidgeon: What is STEM again?
Iggy: NASA had a Martian surface simulation at one point
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes I went to Mars sim long ago.
Iggy: Science, Tech, Engineering, and Math?
Grizzla: science tech engineering math
Grizzla high-fives with Iggy
Tori Landau: i was at a Mars simulation, recently, not NASA, encountered a dust storm while riding a buggy
Iggy: I’ll put in the old SLURL for the Space Park, which may be moved now
Birdie Newcomb: how about the innards of a computer?
Delenn Daines: I would want a display with atoms and molecules
Delenn Daines: and chemical reactions
Birdie Newcomb: do we have the Higgs Boson yet?
Grizzla: There used to be at least two builds where you could walk through a computer’s innards… I wasn’t able to find them when I re-looked recently.
Grinn Pidgeon: Oh, now that we gave up our land, a faculty member in business would like to find a farming simulation (business doesn’t really fit in any of the disciplines, I guess)
Zotarah Shepherd: I have seem Math displays too mostly geometry and the funny Pi Display at the Splo Sim
Tori Landau: University of Ulster used to have a massive innards of computer display, not been there for a while though
David Stack (richmedia): protein docking would be cool.
Grizzla: Right, Ulster was one of the ones I tried to find again recently
Stephen Xootfly: A climate change simulation. I do believe SciLands has a glacier melt simulation, but more stuff showing effects on species’ survival or human habitats
Beth Ghostraven: Extension Services has a State Fair sim here that has lots about agriculture
Grizzla: Yeah, Extension has some very good stuff
Grizzla: Though you have to be more than an SL noob to use a lot of it
Iggy: Dell had the walk-through computer, but they left SL
Birdie Newcomb: Yes! the future history of the Earth
Birdie Newcomb: Or alternate futures
Zotarah Shepherd: I liked the Biology ride through body parts too. Like a Fantastic Voyage
Stephen Xootfly: Are there human body field trips other than the Ohio State U, sperm development?
Iggy: If you know of a simulation that fits any requested…please put in the SLURL for the transcript. Consider yourself Santa’s elf!
Delenn Daines: I would like to recreate the history of the universe and life
Zotarah Shepherd: I have seen interactive Archeology digs too. I am sad the Egyptian builds are gone and Heritage Key.
Birdie Newcomb: Oh, the Fantastic Voyage — was that here?
Delenn Daines: it was a sim from Arizona that was very good
Iggy: We’ll get to Heritage Key soon..you’re right
Annie Obscure: I’ve GOT an interactive archeology dig
Stephen Xootfly: Nova Sauders at Indiana university
Zotarah Shepherd: No it was just the feeling of it Birdie.
Annie Obscure: I’ve shown it to various people
Grizzla: Thinking about IT… while I miss the walk-through computers that used to be here, they were quite outdated even when I first explored them a couple years ago
Birdie Newcomb: Jurassic Park?
Iggy: Is the Space Park still around?
Zotarah Shepherd: Genome has Science too
Birdie Newcomb: Can SL physics handle a black hole?
Grizzla: I would love to see a build that makes computer networking & cloud computing more “tangible” to students
Zotarah Shepherd: Coral Reef on Biodome Not sure it is still there
Iggy: So much comes and goes
Zotarah Shepherd: U of Washington
Beth Ghostraven: Expedition Central has dozens: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/VSTE%20Island/15/153/765
Stephen Xootfly: BIOME is gone. But Clowey Greenwood is part of BIO-SE as well and has her own grid.
Tori Landau: Spaceport UK is still about… think might have been there in a skybox I saw the mars simulation: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Star%20Beach%20Island/78/195/22
Beth Ghostraven: There oughta be an index of these somewhere….
Annie Obscure: Grizzla, at one time I had a thing that showed the android app lifecycle on my land.
Tori Landau: it has good educational resources
Zotarah Shepherd: I need to explore again. One of my favorites is SL Botanical Gardens.
Iggy: Other simulations in these disciplines? I’m hearing a few, to recap: Martian surface, computer simulations for hardware walk-through, teaching about the Cloud
Tori Landau: yes, it is lovely Zo
Iggy: Fantastic voyage through the human body
Iggy: Protein docking! I love that concept for a simulation
Annie Obscure: We’ve still got the walking tour of the human visual system, as long as our SL campus stays up
Birdie Newcomb: I saw a wall display of the history of the Earth — but not a simulation
Iggy: Farming…I could show you all IRL 🙂 But we don’t have that in SL now.
Annie Obscure: the extension service used to have farming
Grizzla: Extension service still has a number of farming modules – although some would be a challenge for newbies to maneuver.
Claudia13 Rossini: (he just wants help shoveling….manure)
Iggy: We had one mention of OpenSIm..any more there?
Iggy: and yes, Claudia, unless you prefer killing copperheads in my RL barn with me
Grizzla: I do think we need to keep looking at ed builds that take the best advantage of what you can do virtually, that you couldn’t do IRL. So wall displays… still can be useful, but don’t need a VW in order to have them
Zotarah Shepherd: I would like to see Open Sims that can be used by all schools for their classes. It would save expenses and promote collaboration in education.
Tori Landau: ok, been checking, it is Spaceport uk that has the living on mars simulation: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Star%20Beach%20Island/91/201/426
Iggy: Thanks, Tori
Birdie Newcomb: how about a simulation of the Space Station, with zero gravity
Annie Obscure: one thing about opensim – I know our campus has been visited a lot, we’re moving to OpenSim, one disadvantage of that is that we won’t be publicly accessible
Iggy: I’m wondering how Zero G would work here in SL, like a swimming hud?
Zotarah Shepherd: I think you’d need a whole grid to change the physics Birdie. That would be fun.
Iggy: Annie, will the content be available via hypergrid?
Annie Obscure: actually, you’d just need something like a swimming hud
Iggy: I’d moved Usher to OpenSim until Kali offered me space here again, where I’ll teach with it next smester
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes a animation of weightlessness though we could use “Fly” to do that.
Annie Obscure: no, we can’t hypergrid because we’re breaking the protocol
Birdie Newcomb: I did see something recently on approaching the speed of light — looked interesting
Annie Obscure: we want to do some things that the SL protocol can’t handle
Annie Obscure: mostly around shared media –
Iggy: Annie, will guests be able to create accounts? That’s one reason I chose Jokaydia Grid
Birdie Newcomb: how do you mean Annie?
Grizzla: Annie, I was talking to a researcher yesterday who said the same thing – they use SL for some things in STEM, but have to use other resources too due to SL’s physics limitations
Annie Obscure: we’d like to do things like have in-world feedback about how a student’s doing
Annie Obscure: that has to be private and customized per-student
Iggy: So…Santa wants to know! Other STEM simulations? Or shall we talk about the Arts?
Annie Obscure: so we need to know who’se requesting the web page
Annie Obscure: so our viewer ‘signs’ it’s requests
Iggy: In the Arts, I’d like a build of the Amory Show. Does one exist?
Annie Obscure: that way, when I look at the ‘how are you doing?’ board I see my own grade, not yours
Birdie Newcomb: or Monet’s garden
Iggy: Great idea, Birdie. I miss the Frank Lloyd Wright Museum, too
Zotarah Shepherd: Me too Iggy I think they (the FLW people) shot themselves in the foot by insisting it be removed
Birdie Newcomb: You might have to create your own system, then, Annie
Iggy: One issue with some arts builds is it’s a “go and look” approach. I’d like to have it interactive, to try to, say, build something in Wright’s style or try Rothko’s techniques for colors
Grizzla: Art-related: I was sad to discover that the Vietnam War Memorial in SL is gone.
Birdie Newcomb: O, I missed that
Zotarah Shepherd: Is Grid-on-a-Stick still useable?
Annie Obscure: we concluded that long ago
Claudia13 Rossini: i think our biggest loss was the Van Gogh exibit
Iggy: Very much art, Grizzla. Do you know why it left SL?
Iggy: @Claudia, yes. That was sad to hear.
Grizzla: I don’t know exactly – but a year ago when I was there, I met one of the builders…
Grizzla: He said his company no longer did SL builds, that he hardly ever logged in anymore – I think they felt VWs would not come out of the “trough of disillusionment.”
Claudia13 Rossini: i think that’s the best thing i ever saw in SL
Iggy: what of the Van Gogh village simulation in SL? That is still around I think.
Birdie Newcomb: SL allows some creativity not otherwise possible
Zotarah Shepherd: Kestral Karas made an awesome interactive Art Theory build on WIRED sim
Kali Pizzaro: i saw i think it was Dream Realizations – a few weeks ago
Iggy: Grizzla, I hope they are wrong (another topic).
Kali Pizzaro: totally bizarre but fun
Iggy: So other arts builds?
Birdie Newcomb: Burning Life, fer sure
Grizzla: Well, Gartner’s 2012 Hype Cycle chart shows VWs emerging from the “trough”
Kali Pizzaro: dancing pigs or something
Kali Pizzaro: yep Grizzla
Iggy: Keep in mind Burn 2.0, Birdie
Iggy: That will continue, Grinn?
Claudia13 Rossini: (note to self, wear pig av and dance for Kali)
Annie Obscure: Santa can bring me a simple way to debrand V3.0
Kali Pizzaro: Santa coulld bring a way to have a edu entrance to Sl without all the adverts for ……….
Grizzla note to self: ask Gentle Heron to wear cabbage av, to dance with Claudia
Stephen Xootfly: Santa can bring me an important corporation or brand moving into SL or other VWs . . .
Iggy: Santa needs to focus on arts, now, Kali. Here’s your bag of coal.
Claudia13 Rossini: oh lord yes Kali….
Stephen Xootfly: Or major museum.
Tori Landau: BURN2 is actually having more events, including on Sat 15th Dec, so hope that is a good sign
Iggy: That is, Tori! I’d like to see more gallery shows of the sort I went to in 2008-9
Kali Pizzaro: yes I saw that seems to still be a lot of arts projects/builds on the go
Iggy: but maybe that is me
Annie Obscure: Santa can bring me vehicles in OpenSim
Iggy: and not SL
Iggy: SOOOOOO since Kali asked: what about simulations in Health?
Kali Pizzaro: I would like to see more people create interactive virtual anatomy and interactive health information simulations – these can and have made a difference to peoples health in the VW and the physical world
Iggy: I’d like a body-mass simulation. Avatar eats and does not exercise, and puts on weight
Kali Pizzaro: (findings of my PhD) 😉
Claudia13 Rossini: eyes Iggy
Kali Pizzaro: so far
Zotarah Shepherd: My sim wishes do not really fit the parameters of those subjects but….
Zotarah Shepherd: I would like to set out or rebuild my Gardner’s Multiple Intelligences build again somewhere. Also other concept builds like Jackie Rexen’s Maslows Needs Build and Thursday Xu’s Bloom’s Taxonomy build.
Kali Pizzaro: mmm blooms
Tori Landau: Imperial college london if still about, a friend of mine worked on it.
Kali Pizzaro: yes it is, but not enough interaction i think
Kali Pizzaro: health builds often need people
Kali Pizzaro: or ways to ask or confirm
David Stack (richmedia): In southeast WI there is an interinstitutional project
Zotarah Shepherd: I would like to find ways of making builds more interactive.
David Stack (richmedia): that has been granted $100K for developing patient avatars
Stephen Xootfly: Second Health is active still.
David Stack (richmedia): for IRL treatment. Its not in SL
David Stack (richmedia): https://ctsi.mcw.edu/news-events/news/ctsi-awards-875000-for-new-pilot-projects/
Kali Pizzaro: or it to be interactive like the virtual simulation or NY healthcare
Kali Pizzaro: autism
Kali Pizzaro: scenario
Iggy: excellent to know that, David.
Tori Landau: Ann myers medical centre.. it was 1st medical place I saw and was impressed that it had saved lives
Kali Pizzaro: I think Second Health is I saw Dave Taylor on recently
Kali Pizzaro: think ann myers is struggling
Iggy: If virtual worlds do leave the Gartner Trough, I have a feeling it will be through health and security simulations
Birdie Newcomb: Is there a way of seeing what an autistic person or a paranoid person sees? That would be educational
Kali Pizzaro: i tried Virtual patients 4 years ago frustrated to not get it further
Zotarah Shepherd: I liked the Psychologist builds. Virtual Hallucinations
Grizzla: I love the concept of Virtual Hallucinations – the experience of schizophrenia, but it’s another of those builds where it was a mistake to build it to scale.
Grizzla: It’s “tight” to maneuver in, and especially so for a newcomer. I’d love to have sent our students there – but they would have been really frustrated as beginners.
David Stack (richmedia): Iggy: could be. on a gartner webinar today they said they
Kali Pizzaro: yes in the NY healthscape island
Kali Pizzaro: Birdie
David Stack (richmedia): expect MOOCs to crash into the trough and emerge as
Stephen Xootfly: I’ve often been surprised at the lack of psychology simulations and studies.
David Stack (richmedia): something else that will be “MOOCish”
Kali Pizzaro: we have a cyberpsychology module which uses SL
Birdie Newcomb: Oh, I’d love that — cheaper than drugs
Kali Pizzaro: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Sedig/26/45/22 is where Virtual Hallucinations is
Zotarah Shepherd: I see a mashup of VWs and other MOOCs that will bring VWs to the front again.
Iggy: We can slip over into social sciences that way, since Neuroscience bridges multiple disciplines
Zotarah Shepherd hears an echo.
Iggy: What about such builds? What would you like to see in psychology, neuroscience?
Annie Obscure: we’ve got a working ecological theory of vision demo, but we haven’t actually used it
Zotarah Shepherd: Virtual Pioneers went to several Historical sites. I am not sure how many are still around.
Kali Pizzaro: there is also a breast cancer awareness place here
Kali Pizzaro: the slurl above and the autism scenario
Grizzla: I’m still heartbroken that Cupid’s Cove (Cuper’s Cove) is gone – historical build of the first English-speaking colony in Canada
Iggy: excellent thanks for the link
Zotarah Shepherd: I think that was on Health InfoIsland
Iggy: Any more “wants” in health, psych?
Annie Obscure: I’m constantly looking for medical ‘stuff’ –
Zotarah Shepherd: Maybe something that shows teen level classes the dangers of certain behaviors.
Kali Pizzaro: of course Mayo Clinic for talks
Iggy: A texting-while-driving simulation!
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes Iggy
Annie Obscure: you know, instead of sitting around wishing, a group could get together once a week and build one of these
Iggy: My state is finally passing a REAL law to curb that stupid habit.
Claudia13 Rossini: i think we could get them interested in unprotected sex
Zotarah Shepherd: I’d be glad to build some of these ideas Annie.
Iggy: you could build simulations for those sorts of public safety and health issues easily here
hobbs Constantine: hobbs falls off the chair laughing @Claudia’s comment
Kali Pizzaro: this is the autism awareness centre
Zotarah Shepherd giggles
Annie Obscure: if people wanted to do that, we could do it in opensim and oar them off.
Iggy: LOL Claudia. I think SL could teach them a few things in that discipline.
Annie Obscure: I’ve got an instance we could use
Kali Pizzaro: Plymouth used to do a sexual health centre
Kali Pizzaro: where people could come anon
Kali Pizzaro: to discuss sexual health issues
Claudia13 Rossini: well they are teens….we know what we thought about then
Wrenaria Antiesse would be interested in collaborative building – sounds fun
Iggy: The fact that residents can use nyms really helps here, to discuss confidential issues
Zotarah Shepherd: I just reread A Tribe Apart and know so much is more dangerous for teens now days.
Kali Pizzaro: yes
Zotarah Shepherd: I love to build but would like to learn to do mesh first.
Iggy: so we have about 15 minutes for Social Sci and Humanities
Iggy: Let’s give Santa our lists
Iggy: I want something like Heritage Key’s Tut build back
Zotarah Shepherd waves her list to Santa who must be invisible
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes Iggy me too
Iggy: http://rezzable.com/ for their site
Iggy: I have not visited their OpenSim builds for a while. Have any of you? They were working with Unity 3D as well.
Galileo Zeplin: there are already some pretty good historical reconstructions … like roma and renaissance island … but more would nice, covering a variety of eras, cultures, etc.
David Stack (richmedia): Just for the record, last week
Kali Pizzaro: yes
David Stack (richmedia): I mentioned that one of our profs
Zotarah Shepherd: I would like to see a hypergridable collection of grids – one for each core and elective subject open to all schools.
Iggy: Yes, with actors. I also miss the Virtual Globe Theater. What a great idea that was.
Birdie Newcomb: SL is not much good for reading — even plays are pretty awkward
David Stack (richmedia): is doing a class on digital story telling and role playing
David Stack (richmedia): as a creative writing course.
Zotarah Shepherd: I liked the Globe
Tori Landau: blinks, the globe has gone?
David Stack (richmedia): He’s using a WIKI not a VW
David Stack (richmedia): The syllabus is at http://www4.uwm.edu/schedule/syllabi/213246075.doc
Iggy: Long gone, Tori
Kali Pizzaro: what was the build about the man with aids
Iggy: So we have wish lists for historical builds, linked by the hypergrid or in SL
Iggy: and the sort of theater experience of the old Virtual Globe
Iggy: what else in Social Sci or Humanities?
Birdie Newcomb: or the Fillmore
Zotarah Shepherd: hypergrid would be better I think. Cost less and could be sponsored by grants.
Kali Pizzaro: more story or simulations that teach health or psychology sociology subjects would be good
Wrenaria Antiesse: have people tried the “new synthetic theater” ?
Claudia13 Rossini: in the end, what we really need is a ton of available prims and a nice pile of money to purchase and pay for sims and tiers
Iggy: There is a still a URL for the Globe: http://visit.slshakespeare.com/
Wrenaria Antiesse: i havent been there in awhile
Wrenaria Antiesse: but avatars become part of a drama
Wrenaria Antiesse: and moved through an experience as players
Zotarah Shepherd: I liked Dante’s Inferno and Moby Dick builds
Kali Pizzaro: nasa build was nice too
Kali Pizzaro: with walk like a astronaut
Zotarah Shepherd: Lit Alive builds were awesome
Iggy: How is the WW I Poetry project going?
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes that was awsome too
Galileo Zeplin: btw there is still a somewhat less sophistocated version of the globe theatre, over on renaissance island…i think some shakespearean plays will be performed there soon
Wrenaria Antiesse: New Synthetic Theater: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/ZoHa%20Islands%20E/82/226/22
Kali Pizzaro: i was there last week VW poetry
Iggy: And how is Virtual Harlem these days? I went to poetry readings there a few years back.
Zotarah Shepherd: Texas Women’s University exhibits could be expanded. The students have great ideas.
Zotarah Shepherd: I have not seen Virtual Harlem in ages.
Iggy: Cotton Club SLURL is still valid: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Virtual%20Harlem/130/82/30
Zotarah Shepherd: I have also not been to any NMC sims recently. Are they still around?
Iggy: So Santa has a LONG list! In our last five minutes…anything we missed from the wish list?
Zotarah Shepherd: There were several language learning sims too
Kali Pizzaro: full SL on the iPad 🙂
Claudia13 Rossini: an iPad….period
Zotarah Shepherd: I love the SL Libraries.
Birdie Newcomb: How aqbout Santa’s workshop at the North Pole — before the ice disappears…
Iggy: Keep wishing, Kali 🙂
Tori Landau: I’ve a question, are there any sims that teach maths?
Grizzla: It’s curious to me that you can (sort of) do SL on an iPhone or Android phone, but not on a Kindle Fire or an iPad
Zotarah Shepherd: HealthInfo Library is awesome
Iggy: I’d LOL Birdie, except that is a sad thing to consider. Yes, some simulations of sea-level rise would be helpful
Zotarah Shepherd: There used to be a few Math sims
Wrenaria Antiesse: Tori – Dream Realizations teaches math
Kali Pizzaro: lol sorry prof tut
Iggy: @Wren, SLURL please?
Wrenaria Antiesse: http://www.dreamrealizations.org/
Kali Pizzaro: ah that is where i was
Zotarah Shepherd: Math: Elon University, Math Playground on EduIsland, Natespace Art and Math is gone and Splo
Wrenaria Antiesse: Ute Frenburg or Cooper Macbeth are the avatars to talk to about that
Tori Landau: Many thanks Wren, using sl for maths teaching always seemed so obvious to me as my maths improved due to building
Iggy: noted that Virtual Montmartre is now next to Virtual Harlem
Wrenaria Antiesse: I am sure they’d happy give tours of what they do
Iggy: so it’s not all bad news in SL these days