December 13, 2012: Open Forum

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Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable December 13, 2012

Topic: Open Forum

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Kali Pizzaro: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable. We meet each Thursday at 11:30am SLT for an hour. 7:30pm In UK, 2:30pm est

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Kali Pizzaro: Tonight’s theme: Open Forum

Kali Pizzaro: let’s start as we always do with introductions. I am Evelyn McElhinney RN, Lecturer in Advanced Practice and part time doctoral student at Glasgow Caledonian University in Scotland.

Claudia13 Rossini: Claudia…builder…bah humbug

Kali Pizzaro: so introductions folks

Kana Koray: does he ever get a BR break

Birdie Newcomb: Birdie Newborn, dust fairy

Beth Ghostraven: Beth O’Connell, middle school librarian

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): is Joe Essid, who was Scrooge in 6th Grade play and now will teach in SL again next semester

Kana Koray: middle school special ed

Kana Koray: also teach in sl

Oshun Akina: university Prof of Communication

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Chris Robinson, virtual assistant, Georgia Gwinnett College

Stephen Xootfly: Stephen Xootfly, Biology Instructor at U of New Orleans. Founder of Biological Interactive Objects for Science Education (BIO-SE)

Galileo Zeplin: ed johnson — university system of georgia board of regents

Kali Pizzaro: anyone else

Mia (praxislady.witt): Mia aka, praxislady witt, EDTECH consultant iIRL and VW (SL)

Kali Pizzaro: going

Kali Pizzaro: going

Mia (praxislady.witt): looks for Kali’s whip?

Kali Pizzaro: gone to the old boy in the flying sleigh

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): 14 little elves, well, 13 + Santa, on sim for the transcript

Kali Pizzaro: ok so this is open forum so who wants to kick us off!

Kali Pizzaro: any burning questions for the group

Beth Ghostraven: So, how do I deal with my SL addiction?

Kali Pizzaro: Do you have one

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): You have already taken the first step, Beth πŸ™‚

Mia (praxislady.witt): take two aspirins and call in the morning? Beth??

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): There are 12 step groups in SL… πŸ™‚ (grins wickedly)

Claudia13 Rossini: sign up for brain transplant Beth

Kali Pizzaro: is this not just part of your life

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): okay, semi-serious Q: what does “addiction” mean?

Beth Ghostraven: Yes, it’s just getting to be a bigger part of my life than I can manage

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): gets out DSM IV (or it’s V now, right)?

Birdie Newcomb: how to avoid Xmas…

Claudia13 Rossini: it’s a phase Beth, it will peak then you’ll start to return to ‘normal’

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): was never normal

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Claudia is right. I spent a lot more time here a few years ago, to the point that my other hobbies suffered

Beth Ghostraven: I’m at Virtual Pioneers on Sunday night, VSTE on Monday night, ISTE on Tuesday and Wednesday night, and this on Thursdays; plus hanging out in Victorian Caledon

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Fewer model planes build, old cars not detailed as frequently, etc.

Beth Ghostraven: O.o

Kali Pizzaro: and what would you be doing if you were not there

Claudia13 Rossini: trust me Beth, i’ve been there and back

Kali Pizzaro: watching TV

Kali Pizzaro: ?

Al Supercharge: like all addictions ( including love) it wears off in 2.5 to 3.5 years

Stephen Xootfly: Those all sounds like an enriching addiction to me.

Christmas Hats

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): I think part of it, in the beginning, is being on the steep learning curve – and then starting to enjoy the fact that you do know how to do a lot of things in SL, and you’re still discovering

Beth Ghostraven: reading, my reading is really suffering

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): helping me work on old cars. Beth, come on over.

Birdie Newcomb: bicycling

Kali Pizzaro: what are you getting out of those sessions

Beth Ghostraven: lol you do not want me working on your car, Iggy!

Kali Pizzaro: Beth

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): πŸ™‚

Kana Koray: gammers and sl folks get a neurotransmitter boost

Beth Ghostraven: lots of great connections, fabulous ideas, learning how to use a virtual world

Beth Ghostraven: O cam

Kana Koray: so there is a a real addictive part – physical

Beth Ghostraven: lol typonese

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): yes…best use for VWER because on my campus, there’s no one else doing this

Kali Pizzaro: ok so what reading is suffering? academic or pleasure

Al Supercharge: first two years going to all the SL Classes — was the most fun

Beth Ghostraven: pleasure, but I read books to recommend them to my kids

Oshun Akina: Is Beth’s problem one that educators should worry about for their students?

Birdie Newcomb: What I get here — I’m nosy, want to know what y’all have been up to

Claudia13 Rossini: it still new to you Beth, you’re actually exploring and learning a lot….it will in time assume a more reasonable place in your life

Ellie Brewster: @ Claudia, agree

Beth Ghostraven: I know in the past when I’ve immersed myself into playing with something, it has paid off later

Kali Pizzaro: ok so you need to set some time to read for pleasure

Thor (thor.wytchwood): hello folks

Claudia13 Rossini: this will too Beth

Ellie Brewster: Hi Thor

Kali Pizzaro: but sounds like you are getting really great ideas etc

Beth Ghostraven: Yes, I am! and I’m having a blast!

Kali Pizzaro: so not sure the problem

Kali Pizzaro: πŸ™‚

Kana Koray: I find scheduling my time for sl helps

Birdie Newcomb: Benjamin Bergen has an interesting take on reading — it’s a whole body function, only you don’t actually move your arms, legs, eyelids, etc.

Beth Ghostraven: I think what’s really the problem is my husband’s perception that I’ve been co-opted by a cult and am being brainwashed

Mia (praxislady.witt): Hi Thor and Ellie

Kali Pizzaro: lol

Claudia13 Rossini: i think many of us have been through it Beth

Mia (praxislady.witt): Ellie, did not see you blur in, sorry

Ellie Brewster: @ Beth – yes, husbands often have that objection

Claudia13 Rossini: lol@cult.of what.educators?

Birdie Newcomb: we’re a cult now?

Kali Pizzaro: yes if you were on a academic forum in 2D so you think he would think the same

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): funny how I’ve returned to my older hobbies in the past 2 years

Kali Pizzaro: however would you be engaged in that

Kali Pizzaro: ha

Birdie Newcomb: that would take rituals — doing the same thing at the same time every… uh oh

Kali Pizzaro: lol

Beth Ghostraven: I know, it’s funny; he’s just seen the hold it has on me

Kali Pizzaro: sure

Beth Ghostraven: LIke when I started using AIM

Kali Pizzaro: ok so folks going to change tack a wee bit

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Get him an avatar and spend less time in SL yourself.

Beth Ghostraven: Yeah; thanks for the perspective, all!

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Nan does want to marry Pappy Enoch, but I won’t let her πŸ˜€

Beth Ghostraven: smiles gratefully

Beth Ghostraven: Who’s Pappy Enoch?

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): I’ll send you his calling card

Beth Ghostraven: OK

Kali Pizzaro: recently there has been a report that tech in schools is a bit like the george foreman grill – everyone wants it but it sits in the back of a cupboard unused as no one has been taught how to use it

Claudia13 Rossini: Iggy’s alter ego

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): nonsense. I’m his alter ego

Kali Pizzaro: this is a UK report do you agree?

Second Life: Items successfully shared.

Beth Ghostraven: Kali, I think that definitely does happen

Kana Koray: yes

Beth Ghostraven: It takes a killer app like using laptops for testing to really make it stick

Stephen Xootfly: I don’t think it’s uncommon for schools to adopt technology without a fully realized roadmap and vision for how to truly integrate it and enhance education with tech.

Kali Pizzaro: Happens in higher ed too, yes?

Ellie Brewster: Speaking of tech, have we had the tablet conversation recently?

Claudia13 Rossini: i think so Kali, it’s something new yet again, no one really wants to learn, except us weirdoes, at first

Mia (praxislady.witt): looks at her George Forman Grill pensively

Kali Pizzaro: lol

Claudia13 Rossini: lol

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): tablet schmablet. I didn’t get my iPad grant for our class, so they’ll turn in PAPER papers and read paper books next term

Kana Koray: oh here is the plug

Kana Koray: thats why it is not working

Claudia13 Rossini: honestly…i know my boss can’t figure out how to make folders in her e-mail

Ellie Brewster: But what happens when, like me, your school starts pushing the thigns/

Ellie Brewster: What happens when you get students who have tablets but no laptops?

Beth Ghostraven: I wish my school would buy some for people other than admin

Kali Pizzaro: Hi David

Kali Pizzaro: So a few folk here obv early adopters have any of you tried any strategy to get those who are a little less tech orientated started

David Stack (richmedia): Hi all.

Claudia13 Rossini: the thing is, technology is changing so fast none of us can really keep up

Stephen Xootfly: I think Iggy’s conundrum is typical. unless you get the same equipment for everyone, it can be hard to integrate tech. but same for all is very expensive

Ellie Brewster: I gave up keeping up already. Now I’m just trying to keep my head above water

Kali Pizzaro: sorry So a few folk here obv early adopters have any of you tried any strategy to get those who are a little less tech orientated started

Kali Pizzaro: think the Q got lost

Kali Pizzaro: so posting again

Kali Pizzaro: πŸ™‚

Kali Pizzaro: in using tech in teaching and learning

Kali Pizzaro: learning

Stephen Xootfly: tried personal outreach, but that doesn’t go far.

Claudia13 Rossini: think about it. we all managed to learn to use the internet, surf the web, use a pc or a mac….use the part of technology that helps you, ignore the rest

Beth Ghostraven: Our ITRTs are really good about hands-on help

Kali Pizzaro: we are running show and tell from lecturers followed by

Mia (praxislady.witt): one solution I have proposed is to include technology (laptops, tablets, iPhone types) in tuition

Birdie Newcomb: It may be the proliferation of devices — time to plan for the small screen.

Kali Pizzaro: practice then linking folk up

Ellie Brewster: I directed two grad students in starting up online courses. They thought SL was too hard, opted for Adobe Connect. Found they hated that, they then went to blogs

Beth Ghostraven: (Instructional Technology Resource Teachers)

Birdie Newcomb: At least, that’s what I’ve concluded for my products

David Stack (richmedia): most people don’t learn tech for the sake of learning tech

Ellie Brewster: For many of us, though, the battle is with the institution.

Ellie Brewster: My Uni doesn’t want to support SL

Kali Pizzaro: so a mindset?

Kali Pizzaro: Ellie

Kali Pizzaro: at teh top?

Kali Pizzaro: the

David Stack (richmedia): they learn it to accomplish something, even just listening to music in a more convenient way

Ellie Brewster: @Kali ?

Kali Pizzaro: is that just for SL or tech in general

Claudia13 Rossini: good point Rich

Stephen Xootfly: has to run to another meeting. Cheers all.

Kali Pizzaro: sorry the challenges

Mia (praxislady.witt): yes, Kali, at the top is where the issues begin

Birdie Newcomb: If you all sit in a classroom together, why use devices? Perhaps to include those who aren’t there.

Ellie Brewster: Just for Sl, I think. It’s unfashionable with the tekkies at my U. They are pushing us to Adobe Connect, which I hate.

Birdie Newcomb: I’ve been in meetings where two people in another town were on the laptop, another was on a phone circuit

Birdie Newcomb: Not sure SL would have worked there

Birdie Newcomb: What is Adobe Connect?

Kali Pizzaro: like elluminate

Ellie Brewster: It’s one of those online discussion programs.

Ellie Brewster: Yes, Elluminate. Antoher thing I dont’ like.

Kali Pizzaro: an area to share your screen, chat etc

Birdie Newcomb: oh, “listen-only mode?

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Beth Ghostraven: Adobe Connect is used for webinars, like chat attached to a Powerpoint

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): chiming in late to answer Kali, but I find my students are NOT tech savvy beyond a few basics: file attachments and texting

Ellie Brewster: Listen and obey

Kali Pizzaro: lots use for webinar

Mia (praxislady.witt): it is like a shared powerpoint media with voice and text messaging, Adobe Connect

David Stack (richmedia): yeah, like it or not, webinar services are a lot easier to use than a vw if the goal is to mainly talk.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): I ask them to do digital video and blogging, and it’s hard to get them going

Mia (praxislady.witt): many other versions out there but is old technology?

Beth Ghostraven: Speaker uses voice, chat is for backchannel

Ellie Brewster: They don’t like to share screen, so there is no presence.

Kali Pizzaro: however Iggy should we be teaching to be that is actually one of our transferable skills we have listed for all modules

Ellie Brewster: I’ve tried it, I didnt’ like it.

Beth Ghostraven: AHA! Presence!

Kali Pizzaro: yes Mia

Kali Pizzaro: yes i feel much more social presence in SL

Kali Pizzaro: through my avatar

Kali Pizzaro: so Iggy sorry did you see my question

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): I think so…

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): lots of chat in between πŸ˜€

Kali Pizzaro: indeed

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Tech generally. SL is all but dead on my campus

Ellie Brewster: Unfashionable

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): we’ll use it for one assignment, and that will be in a lab setting with premade avies

Ellie Brewster: So has anyone tried Cloud Party?

Kali Pizzaro: when it first came out

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): not unfashionable, but not suited to the tech the students know and use

Ellie Brewster: @Iggy – i see

Claudia13 Rossini: i thought being a student involved learning new things

Beth Ghostraven: Kano, do you SL with your middle schoolers?

Kali Pizzaro: indeed Claudia

Birdie Newcomb: SL is online but not asynchronous, usually

Beth Ghostraven: *Kana

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): But if you link an easily begun task to discrete course goals and grade them, my undergrads enjoy it.

Kali Pizzaro: yes that is the key Iggy

Birdie Newcomb: So it needs to be tied to a time and place

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): UR students are very goal-oriented and do not “just play”

Ellie Brewster: field trips. They love field trips

Kali Pizzaro: yes most students are assessment driven πŸ™‚

Kali Pizzaro: or are they πŸ™‚

Birdie Newcomb: Sounds like China

Kali Pizzaro: ok so what about SL then for teachers – educators etc – what do you get out of it.

Kali Pizzaro: ?

Ellie Brewster: collaboration

Kali Pizzaro: nods

Beth Ghostraven: making professional connections

David Stack (richmedia): Could presence be achieved by just logging into any MMOG and holding a discussion there (presuming you weren’t killed by other players?)

Ellie Brewster: I depend on what others do for my field trips. I ask students to do a gendered analysis of what someone else does

Claudia13 Rossini: new ways to look at things

Kali Pizzaro: sharing ideas

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): @Kali, I tried to get an economist interested who researches virtual economies

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): but we are both busy with other projects for which we get more professional credit

Kali Pizzaro: sure

Beth Ghostraven: David, the WoW guild Cognitive Dissonance does that

David Stack (richmedia): Thanks.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): so I’ve not evangelized SL to him or others locally

Birdie Newcomb: virtual credit not good enough?

Kali Pizzaro: ok so what about you what do you get

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): @Birdie Heck no

Mia (praxislady.witt): for educators, a chance to show off their understanding of today’s technology?

Beth Ghostraven: I feel like it makes me more hirable, if I want to switch jobs

Kali Pizzaro: yes Beth I think you might be right

Beth Ghostraven: plus it keeps my brain flexible, learning new things

Kali Pizzaro: a chance to disseminate my ideas and create networks beyond with the wider academic community

Kali Pizzaro: which i dont think i get to the same extent elsewhere

Kali Pizzaro: πŸ™‚

Kali Pizzaro: Iggy sort it out

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): LOL I’ll try

Birdie Newcomb: that works for us, but not for students, unless they’re looking for a job

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): @Kali, in your field, 3D simulations make all sorts of sense

Kali Pizzaro: sure

Kali Pizzaro: simulation in general we have been doing for years

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): but for literature, not so much because the first things students ask is “can we have a 3D simulation for EACH book?” not realizing the time needed for building. The ROI is not there.

Kali Pizzaro: however but does that not tell you something!

Ellie Brewster: do they do much building, Iggy?

Kali Pizzaro: or your University!

Mia (praxislady.witt): Iggy, are you corporate minded?

Kali Pizzaro: they obv find it engaging

Kali Pizzaro: to me it makes sense

Kali Pizzaro: I think your idea is fantastic

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): @Mia, no. But faculty have to think of ROI. A new build would mean no new article or course overhaul

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Usher consumed about 200 hours one summer to complete

Beth Ghostraven: Develop a consortium where schools take turns building sims?

Kali Pizzaro: Iggy what about a crowdbuild

Kali Pizzaro: πŸ™‚

Kali Pizzaro: share

Birdie Newcomb: Get the smart students to do it.

Mia (praxislady.witt): @Iggy, evaluation/assessment process should give data for courses as analysis tool for revision?

Kali Pizzaro: this is why i think we need to collaborate more

Ellie Brewster: There are a lot of ways our work intersects. Just going to student presentations from other classes can be a really good field trip

Kali Pizzaro: yes Ellie

Ellie Brewster: The problem is, we need better ways of finding the work of others.

Ellie Brewster: Does everybody know, but the way, that I’ve moved to Chilbo?

Ellie Brewster: I’m giving up the island – if I can’t get the grad students interested, I’m not spending all my time on grants.

Claudia13 Rossini: well Penn is an open sim, you are all welcome to explore it

Ellie Brewster: Thanks, Claudia.

Kali Pizzaro: maybe we should have a list of open sims for educators to visit that

Ellie Brewster: What I was going to say about Chilbo, though, is that I’ve volunteered to work on the chilbo road press.

Kali Pizzaro: might be an idea for later

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Kali Pizzaro: or is there a wiki somewhere

Ellie Brewster: And one of the things we’ll work on is a list of sims for education.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): As for crowdbuilds, no way with SL’s permission system

Ellie Brewster: Not just in SL

Kali Pizzaro: ah fab Ellies

Kali Pizzaro: sure Iggy

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): We’d have lost all of Usher when the island went

Kali Pizzaro: sure

Ellie Brewster: There is a wiki, Kali, but it’s really out of date, and constantly bombarded with spam

Kali Pizzaro: ah

Kali Pizzaro: ok

Mia (praxislady.witt): our group just had a tour of a vey progressive sim and I asked about collaborating with like topic groups, but was told it is best to work independently to enable different working results?

Ellie Brewster: My idea is that we maintain a list of blogs that keep their own lists.

Kali Pizzaro: nods

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): and though I’m not as picky as Claudia, I find lots of student builds not suit my aesthetic sensibility for something dark like Poe’s work

Kali Pizzaro: i keep hearing of new places

Claudia13 Rossini: lol Iggy

Ellie Brewster: For example, my blog is interested in women’s studies, and keeps events there.

Kali Pizzaro: i think i know a lot then something else pops up

Kali Pizzaro: fab Ellie thanks for that

Ellie Brewster: So I want to keep my subject tight, just WS stuff.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Claudia as exquisite taste, seriously. Good builds make you want to raise the bar in a simulation.

Ellie Brewster: If there are other people who do that in their own subject areas, we could do a list on the Chibo Road pres

Kali Pizzaro: I am looking ot rent out land to folks so if anyone is interested let me know IM me

Kali Pizzaro: to

Kali Pizzaro: I am a nice landlady honest

Kali Pizzaro: anyway ok so 15 mins left and Claudia is going to take the last five so

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Oh – may I mention our new orientation area? Finally finished!

Claudia13 Rossini: (though she does make you taste the haggis)

Kali Pizzaro: yes Grizzla you got a slurl

Claudia13 Rossini: it’s a great orientation area

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Kali Pizzaro: AI can you turn the reindeer off lol

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Yes, just a sec – and anybody who wants a landmark, just IM me

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Grizz, it’s a wonderful SL orientation, and I’ll use it for my premade student avs next semester

Mia (praxislady.witt): yes, plz share the SLURL

Kali Pizzaro: i am phoning reindeer line they must be knackered

Kali Pizzaro: lol

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid):

Kali Pizzaro: cheers Grizzla

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): It’s open to anybody to use for orientation. I’ve already logged in and found some groups going through it.

Kali Pizzaro: fab

Mia (praxislady.witt): yes, fantastic!! TY πŸ™‚

Kali Pizzaro: ok folks five more mins then over to Cladia

Kali Pizzaro: so any other 1

Kali Pizzaro: Q

Claudia13 Rossini: lol

Claudia13 Rossini: don’t all speak at once

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): anyone else here ever used Glitch? It shut its doors yesterday πŸ™

Ellie Brewster: Well, just to remind you that if you have a blog, let me know for the Road press

Kali Pizzaro: great ok Claudia you are up – to more serious matters

Claudia13 Rossini: OK, some of you know me fairly well, some, barely, but I own a homestead sim that is part of a group of 12 sims, one sim is a blues club…..about 48 hours ago it was attacked by a group of griefers from Russia, most likely kids, who told the sim owner the griefing would stop ONLY if they were paid off

Claudia13 Rossini: the own had to close the club sim to members of the group only

Claudia13 Rossini: LL has been of no help

Ellie Brewster: and I’m sure that, once reported, SL authorities sprang to your assistance?

Claudia13 Rossini: nope, LL was not helpful at all

Ellie Brewster: Why am I NOT surprised.

Claudia13 Rossini: this is extortion

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): They can’t just ban those avs and alts from the sim?

Claudia13 Rossini: the club owner said he’d burn the sim to the ground before paying

Ellie Brewster: Does it have a steady clientele? Can you charge a $1L entrance?

Beth Ghostraven: Claudia, that’s horrible! It’s a great club, too!

Claudia13 Rossini: they tried Griz, ton’s of av’s were banned

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): LL just wants their friggin’ tier

Oshun Akina: I don’t understand why the club owner can’t ban them…

Ellie Brewster: They just come up with more avs, Oshun.

Oshun Akina: ah, ok — Claudia just answered my q

Beth Ghostraven: If they keep making new avis they can’t keep tradck

Kali Pizzaro: Does anyone know anyone high up they could speak to direct

Claudia13 Rossini: exactly Ellie

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Griefers are expert. They’ll make more ALTs faster than you can say “pay tier”

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): I guess it’s like banning bots – there are always more popping up

Birdie Newcomb: Or ban everybody, then distribute passes to the people you know

Galileo Zeplin: what if not just some kids…but something more sinister

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): turn on damage, hire thugs, pay a bounty to shoot griefers

Ellie Brewster: But they’d still have to pay to get in. Or make the land accessible to group only

Oshun Akina: how do you know they’re from Russia?

Claudia13 Rossini: i just want you to be aware of something that could happen

Kana Koray: This is what I teach in sl for adults but could apply to high school to

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): make it a club event

Kana Koray: The New Hero’s Journey

Our objective is to actively take you on your hero’s journey deep within and without and explore a re-vision to the Hero’s Journey for the coming shift and new cultural matrix. Finish your Journey and be transformed.

We meet at 3:30 Pm SL Tuesdays

Beth Ghostraven: Galileo, that’s a disturbing thought

David Stack (richmedia): You can’t ban email spam either unfortunately. At my campus we discard 90% of email and plenty of spam still gets through.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): can you have a LZ with a bouncer who can put newcomers into the group? And have all TPs land there? Some RP sims do that

Ellie Brewster: But if you’re using SL for education, you set the land to group. In orientation, you train them to use the group

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): There’s a griefer who crashes SL fashion shows who uses a ton of alts, introduces mesh objects that rapidly reproduce, makes the sims crash

Claudia13 Rossini: he’s setting up some security measures, but i just want you all to be aware of something we’ve not seen before

Ellie Brewster: that is worrying.

Beth Ghostraven: Thanks! I’m getting ready to open a pub in Caledon next week…

Oshun Akina: nods her agreement

Kali Pizzaro: thanks Claudia

VWER Dec. 13, 2012

Kali Pizzaro: ok folks on a lighter note

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): These are worse than the beggar bots that have been cropping up

Claudia13 Rossini: just keep it in mind, in case

Kali Pizzaro: next week is out holiday party wooooooooooooooo

Kali Pizzaro: we will have a DJ

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): wooo hooo

Oshun Akina: havent’ seen the beggar bots — what do they do?

Beth Ghostraven: yay!

Kali Pizzaro: Brielle and be skating and dancing the night away

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): I’ll send you the URL Oshun

Kali Pizzaro: now please note

Oshun Akina: kk Iggy

Kali Pizzaro: a later start

Beth Ghostraven: (yay for the DJ, not the bots)

Kali Pizzaro: 1pm slt 1pm slt 1pm slt

Kali Pizzaro: so what time is the holiday party next week folks!


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