April 4, 2013: The Wild Frontier! Where to Take Students in Virtual Worlds

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Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable April 4, 2013

Topic: “The Wild Frontier: Where to Take Students in Virtual Worlds.”

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Grizzla Pixelmaid: To introduce myself: in “First Life,” people call me Chris Robinson, and I’ll moderate today’s discussion.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: At Georgia Gwinnett College in metro Atlanta, I develop resources for faculty members who want to use Second Life in their courses, and I also teach just a bit.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: Today our topic is “The Wild Frontier: where to take students in virtual worlds.”

Grizzla Pixelmaid: We always begin by briefly introducing ourselves, so please do – and if this is your first time here, please say so, so we can take good care of you.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: Everyone can type at once!

Claudia13 Rossini: Claudia….builder

Shailey Garfield: Shailey Minocha, The Open University, UK

LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: Rosanna Brown, Retired California Community College Librarian

Zotarah Shepherd: I am working on an MA in Education Technology at Sonoma State University in northern California. I finished my classes. My Thesis project: Teaching and Learning Life Awareness & Success Skills in Virtual Worlds is taking a loooong time.

Birdie Newcomb: Birdie Newborn, publisher

JeanClaude Vollmar: Hi everyone. I’m Jeff Le Blanc from the University of Northwestern Ohio. I’m the VP for IT there.

Dae Miami: Bill Schmachtenberg, Franklin County high school and Ferrum College

Lauren Thurman (laural.mccallen): Lauren Thurman Instructional Technology Teacher Escambia County School District, Pensacola Florida

Dae Miami: Virginia usa

Lizard Whiteberry: I’m Bobby White, Instructional Designer from UC Berkeley. This is my second time here and it’s probably been a year or something… hello!

Charlie Navarathna: Charlie Navarathna Professional Videographer University of Washington

Galileo Zeplin: ed johnson, board of regents, university system of georgia

Ellie Brewster: Hi everybody, I’m Sharon Collingwood, Ohio State University, Women’s Studies

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Dan Holt, English prof at Lansing CC, Michigan.

Kali Pizzaro: Evelyn McElhinney, RN, Nurse Lecturer, VWER director, Doctoral student – health literacy in 3D VW and the influence on physical world behaviour

Don (donineducation): Don Elliott, Community College of Baltimore County, MD, USA

Beth Ghostraven: Beth Ghostraven, middle school librarian in RL and owner of the Book and Tankard Pub in Victoria City, Caledon in SL; unofficial liaison between education groups in SL; @booklady9

Tori Landau: Patricia Dean, volunteer event coordinator for the Open University’s deep think campus and volunteer owner of Moonstone, still International Schools and Moonstone Haven which is starting to be redeveloped °͜°

Jimbo Welles: Jimbo. Dillentante. Leaper of tall buildings in a single virtual bound. school headmaster

Jimbo Welles: (crappy speller too)

Mia (praxislady.witt): Praxislady, education consultant

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Welcome especially to newcomers

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Anybody else?

Mia (praxislady.witt): no Iggy?

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): going once… don’t be shy, folks…

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): No, Iggy says he has no life this week – and regrets he can’t make it

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): going twice…

Oronoque Westland: Roberta Kilkenny, Hunter College, NYC

Claudia13 Rossini: we tried re-animating him, but no luck so far

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): LOL

Bones Mumfuzz: John Muratet Cal State San Bernardino

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Anybody else? Should I keep twisting arms?

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): OK then. Here’s a bit about how I’d like to approach today’s topic:

Grizzla Pixelmaid: I admit that I pick many of my roundtable topics somewhat selfishly – based on what I’m currently working on – to get ideas for myself!

Mia (praxislady.witt): woot

Grizzla Pixelmaid: I’ve also found I’m not the only one interested in those topics & ideas, so I don’t feel guilty. 😉

Kali Pizzaro: 20 for the transcript

Grizzla Pixelmaid: These days our campus uses SL in one IT course, where we bring them in, give them very basic info about functioning as avatars – and then we want them to see examples of the many different ways SL can be used. They are here for only about 4 hours total.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: So I tell them, learning to use your avie is like learning to drive a car. The point is to get OUT of the garage and go someplace worthwhile.

Grizzla Pixelmaid: So I’d like us to look at questions like – what makes a particular VW destination “worthwhile” for specific learning outcomes?

Grizzla Pixelmaid: We’ll start out talking about SL destinations, and later on, we can talk about options for OpenSim.

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): That’s my devious plan for today.

Kali Pizzaro: woop

Dae Miami: but what students are we talking about k12 or college?

Claudia13 Rossini: (and we note she’s dressed for the topic)

Kali Pizzaro: good Q

Bones Mumfuzz: Great plan!!!!!

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Dae, we come from various levels

Dae Miami: true i see that

Birdie Newcomb: Do any students come here of their own accord, before being brought in by a class?

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Obviously, “good destinations” for students, vary greatly depending on WHY we have them in SL. So… what are some reasons any educator in their right mind would bring students into SL or another VW?

Claudia13 Rossini: i see them from time to time Birdie

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): A few of mine have, Birdie

Bones Mumfuzz: To explore learning without the constraints of physics.

Lauren Thurman (laural.mccallen): OT provide experiences not possible in real life

Kali Pizzaro: to meet students from around the world

Charlie Navarathna: Language learning

Dae Miami: multicultural skills

Claudia13 Rossini: to learn about emerging technology

Dae Miami: collaboration and problem solving

Kali Pizzaro: augment face to face – blended

Ellie Brewster: There’s a lot of political stuff for my students. For example, the big concert and art display to accompany One Billion Rising

Kali Pizzaro: simulation esp clinical

Kali Pizzaro: yes Ellie

Ellie Brewster: … and of course, virtual Afghanistan, the RAWA exhibit

Mia (praxislady.witt): curious? are educators ready to roll-out or implement for their students, plz?

Birdie Newcomb: Some for literature, a la Iggy or Desideeria

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): OK so I’m hearing… science/physics… political… clinical simulation… multicultural/language… literary RP

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): a place to collaborate

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): What else?

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Storytelling, poetry readings.

Kali Pizzaro: interprofessional working

Bones Mumfuzz: Music

Beth Ghostraven: art installations

Beth Ghostraven: esp. interactive art

Birdie Newcomb: possibly drama, not sure they were students thought

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): history

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Students might enjoy some of the drama performances, though

Oronoque Westland: Globe Theatre on Renaissance Island is a great place

Jimbo Welles: ok- there we go with a list of things to do- now we need places you all recommend….

Kali Pizzaro: sure there has been drama – mark Childs worked with drama students – Shailey?

Beth Ghostraven: there’s a virtual math sim here that’s going away, isn’t there?

Birdie Newcomb: or performances, or music.

Beth Ghostraven: drama–omg yes

Tori Landau: One OU lecturer brings in psychology students, there is a sim where you can experience schizophrenia, if it is still there and apologies as can’t recall the name

Beth Ghostraven: oh! you mean as in on stage

Lizard Whiteberry: I don’t know of any students in SL at UC Berkeley, although there must be some. I have not had any traction with any interest – even in language instruction due to the learning curve.

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Virtual Hallucinations, Tori

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Seanchai Library on Imagination Island.

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Imagination%20Island/46/211/27


Tori Landau: Thanks Grizzla

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): It was there a month or two ago when I went last

Kali Pizzaro: oh yeah cyberpsychology one of my lecturer in GCU does that

Jimbo Welles: whew

Beth Ghostraven: lots of libraries here, some more effective than others

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): So those subjects point to a variety of learning outcomes for our students.

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Book Island http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Book%20Island/208/226/37

Ellie Brewster: An awkward question….

Oronoque Westland: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Renaissance%20Island/196/50/27

Ellie Brewster: How many of you tip when you bring your class to a site?

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): One of the things that has struck me, in figuring out places for our students to go, is that they have to be noob-friendly. Our students spend a total of about 4 hours inworld.

Tori Landau: roleplay as well, putting yourself in other people’s situations

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Bookstacks http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Awen/136/128/25

Kali Pizzaro: not many places I go have a tip jar

Oronoque Westland: I tip but sometime forget the exchange rate, so end up embarrassed at how little I have tipped

Birdie Newcomb: And small groups, teamwork — SL is good for that

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Milk Wood http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Milk%20Wood/77/64/22


Ellie Brewster: A lot of art places do, and I know Trill Zapatero collects tips for RAWA in Afghanistan. It’s kind of a grey area, as Trill’s site is an “art site” – has controversial messages. I think it’s great for learning, but the tip has got to comeout of my personal funds.

Charlie Navarathna: BABEL learning and a nice view up and down the hill – Learning German, French, Spanish, English, Danish, Dutch, Russian, Chinese or Italian

Tori Landau: re. tipping, if take a newbie somewhere that has it, yes

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): I’m always happy to help others feel more intelligent by contrast

Shailey Garfield: I would suggest the Genome island; it is on genetics but the environment is a good demonstration of the possibilities in SL.

Mia (praxislady.witt): Bryn Ho’s exhibits require a stipend for groups, to support n maintain the sim?

Kali Pizzaro: my students would have no money to tip

Oronoque Westland: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Mouse%20Point/237/80/72


Ridvan-Researcher (ridvan.atolia): Inside Art, Amra (19, 98, 23) good for interaction with portrays as well

Ellie Brewster: I think Genome is moving to OpenSim

Jimbo Welles: scratches and burps, to make the entire group feel more intelligent by contrast…

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): I’d like to hold most of the specific recommendations for a bit, and get us thinking about characteristics of good builds. How do we decide where to take our students? What do we rule out and why?

Jimbo Welles: Genome Island is very well done- i loved it

Shailey Garfield: I would like suggest the Abyss – it is a place on marine science.

Vic Michalak: Then anything left in SciLands (Genome is or was there), including the Abyss Observatory if Shailey did not mention that before…

Vic Michalak: [thinking at same time]

Shailey Garfield: I think Genome already has a presence on OpenSim but it has not moved away from SL.

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): I’d like to hold most of the specific recommendations for a bit, and get us thinking about characteristics of good builds. How do we decide where to take our students? What do we rule out and why?

Kali Pizzaro: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/University%20Idaho%20CALS/7/147/22

Kali Pizzaro: this is meant to be great for a nutrition game

Kali Pizzaro: learn about nutrition

Oronoque Westland: I prefer places with interactivity, otherwise the students’ minds wander

Ellie Brewster: PG, as a general rule

Kali Pizzaro: this includes wearing a backpack and making choices about foods

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): For example, if I visit a sim and I experience a lot of lag there, I’ll try it a couple times, but if it’s always laggy, it’s not going onto my list.

Shailey Garfield: I think it depends on the activities that you are planning to carry out with them, Griz, and the messages that you would like to communicate

Zotarah Shepherd: It would be nice to know where great educational builds went when they left SL too. Is there a list of other grid builds?

Tori Landau: I try to stick to G rated places unless it is a moderate rated place I have checked out, some moderate places veer on adult rating

Kali Pizzaro: getting to that I think

Kali Pizzaro: to experience autism

Kali Pizzaro: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Western%20New%20York/107/27/26

Shailey Garfield: So, some places are good to people to learn about working in groups, while some are good for showing the potential of SL or 3D virtual worlds, in general.

Birdie Newcomb: build-free zones/sandboxes

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Yes indeed, Shailey, so I’m speaking in general here – for almost any learning outcome, what characteristics would we want or not want?

Charlie Navarathna: There are hundreds (thousands?) of OpenSimulator-based virtual worlds out there. Many of them are free to use and welcome new users. This grid list is a community-generated list of such worlds. If you would like to experience an OpenSimulator-based virtual world before installing your own, try one of these.

Charlie Navarathna: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Grid_List

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): For me, besides lag, another thing is it shouldn’t be cluttered – places that are easy to get stuck behind, tight to maneuver

Kali Pizzaro: yes

Vic Michalak: Exploratorium (in SciLands) is very interactive; plus diving in Netherlands Antilles (if still in SL) — (sorry.. violated “non-specific” focus but could not resist)

Tori Landau: agrees with Grizzla

Kali Pizzaro: esp for newbies

Zotarah Shepherd: I’d take students to places like Builders Brewery and recommend a class on their own time.

Kali Pizzaro: this is good for a clinical medical simulation http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Imperial%20College%20London/169/50/27


Zotarah Shepherd: Tours are like herding cats

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): I wish I could take our students to Virtual Hallucinations, for example, but I found it’s built too tightly for SL newcomers to walk through without a lot of frustration.

Shailey Garfield: Yes, I agree with Vic – Exploratorium brings many facets of 3D virtual worlds together. I find it very useful when I am giving demos, etc.

Ellie Brewster: I’ve got a list of sites that are useful, but it needs updating badly. Minerva is no longer there, for example. http://elliebrewster.com/feminist-cyberspaces/virtual-sites/


Kali Pizzaro: this is still here I think for WWW1 sim

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): So… we want… minimal lag… interactivity… easy for noobs to maneuver…

Kali Pizzaro: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife//235/192/647


Kali Pizzaro: you can dress as a nurse and go through the trenches

PaulaJ Galicia: can i also put a link here?

Kali Pizzaro: yes please

PaulaJ Galicia: to a place where theu can try to be different avatars for free http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Porto/126/113/703

PaulaJ Galicia: its an island dedicated to the arts

PaulaJ Galicia: They have a lot of avatars to try

PaulaJ Galicia: for free

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): I look for places where students can interact with others, such as a lecture, class, presentation, talk show, poetry reading, writing workshop or such.

Ellie Brewster: I do a lot of that for independent field trips –

Zotarah Shepherd: Before anything else I’d take students to the Virtual Abilities Orientation to be sure they have the skills to do the rest.

Kali Pizzaro: oops just realised we are meant to be doing characteristics oops sorry Grizzla

Ellie Brewster: Yes, Zotarah – my students loved it

Kali Pizzaro: slaps hand

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Yes – and again – I’d like us to think about characteristics of sims that make them friendly and usable for our students. I’m asking this, partly because sims/builds come and go in SL.

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): and also because I have over 100 landmarks others have recommended to me – I’ve been working my way through them – very very few work for our purposes. So I don’t want us to leave ONLY with a list of places to visit, but with ideas for how to evaluate any sim with our students’ needs in mind, whether we found it ourselves or it was recommended.

Shailey Garfield: may be showing them a variety of learning spaces: rooms, lecture theatres, open air classrooms, platforms in the sky: Deep Think is a good example and also Vassar island

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): LOL

Pathfinder Lester: Metropolis Grid is celebrating their 5 year anniversary this week. Some neat events and many places I think would be interesting to educators. http://danielvoyager.wordpress.com/2013/04/02/happy-5th-birthday-metropolis-grid/

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): I know – it’s fun to launch into the recommendations

Lauren Thurman (laural.mccallen): We take teachers in PD classes to projects that correlate to specific standards…as an example of how they could create such a project

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid)slaps Path’s hand – “But how do we evaluate places?”

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid)then grins at Path

Pathfinder Lester: 😛

Zotarah Shepherdtakes notes

Vic Michalak: [took graduate nursing class to hospital simulator at Imperial College of London sim… slaps own hand]

Kali Pizzaro: I think it is good if you go to a place that the lecturer is there if required to discuss how the area is used

Shailey Garfield: Thank you, Path for the useful link.

Beth Ghostraven: we teach students to evaluate them!

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): LOLOL

Beth Ghostraven: I have to go; good to see you all

Lauren Thurman (laural.mccallen): Bye Beth

Zotarah Shepherd: Bye Beth

Tori Landau: Byee

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Yes I really do want the specific recommendations – and thank you for all of those. But as I’ve gone around to landmarks I’ve gotten from others, most have not worked for us – so I’ve had to think about WHY

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): and thought that might *cough* possibly be useful to others to think about

Kali Pizzaro: although as i say if you can find out who runs it then it is useful for them to explain the point of the build and how it is used if not obvious –

Kali Pizzaro: for example

Kali Pizzaro: if you come to my place it just looks like a hospital ward

Birdie Newcomb: laqndmarks — you mean famous places? builds?

Kali Pizzaro: but you will not know how I use it

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): For our purposes, we want our students to see some of the best that SL has to offer – let them see the variety of possibilities – without the frustrations of lag, getting stuck, running into griefers – as much as we can reasonably avoid

Jimbo Welles: Griz: 1, lag; 2, students need MORE than 4 hours to even move in SL, let alone get an avi designed; 3 security….gotta be G sim or you risk meeting to many weirdoes (to use he technical term for them)

Ellie Brewster: Then we want to talk to them about art appreciation – because a build in SL is an ART build.

Ellie Brewster: Tell them to LOOK, LISTEN, think about what the site means.

Oronoque Westland: I have yet to run into griefers with my students —- I must go to boring places

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Jimbo, I agree with you, but for now I have to work within the constraints set by the IT profs

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): and hope they’ll increase the time

Kali Pizzaro: also if you are in cyberpsychology you might want to meet the more colourful people

Jimbo Welles: ok.

Kali Pizzaro: cough

Lizard Whiteberry: I did help one professor awhile ago take a class into the Globe Theater. It was useful because it was not possible in RL for them to block a play on a real stage like that. They were learning what it was like back then to work a Shakespeare play on *that* stage. So the why was not only about interactivity and student-generated learning, but SL was only chosen because it would not have been possible in RL to do such a meaningful activity.

Al Supercharge: I have a notecard with over 100 Ed LMs

Mia (praxislady.witt): ISTE Sig has a wonderful display board with links to previously toured sims

Jimbo Welles: A sim should be set up for a student to go independently also- like Genome island for example

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): OK – so – after brief consideration of characteristics we look for – have at it – let’s recommend places

Vic Michalak: The Abyss Observatory has an updated jump-off site for all-places-science in SL – see “Yan Lauria” is you want a copy for your sim

Jimbo Welles: that is key….that the student once they get a taste of that sim will go BACK again to further explore

Birdie Newcomb: SL or other grids?

Zotarah Shepherd: I have a list like that too AL but it an old one, so many of the places are gone now.

Lizard Whiteberry: I love the word cyberpsychology. I want to get my PhD in that please.

Al Supercharge: mine is old too

Birdie Newcomb: OLD IN SL YEARS…

Kali Pizzaro: yes that is the reason we check before posting 🙂

Ellie Brewster: What’s really important to me is finding a way to keep an updated list. I think we could do it. I’m working in Chilbo now, and we have the website. This summer I’m planning on getting up a list of sites that keep current lists (as opposed to just a LIST, which I won’t be able to update)

Ellie Brewster: A list of lists.

Kali Pizzaro: yes keeping it current is problematic

Ellie Brewster: Not to get all meta on you, or anything

Kali Pizzaro: for me i dont need to go anywhere

Kali Pizzaro: folks tend to come to me

Birdie Newcomb: I posted a wiki with a build, but that wasn’t effective.

Ellie Brewster: My idea is that I am happy to keep a current list of about 20 sites of use for my teaching. Beyond that, it gets difficult. But I’m sure there are others with lists like that.

Kali Pizzaro: so different need

Kali Pizzaro: yes

Lauren Thurman (laural.mccallen): Would love information/list on institutions that have gone to the various OS Grids

Al Supercharge: we shd subdivide the list amongst us to verify LMs

Ellie Brewster: But stuff connects. My students love the Kowhai midwifery build, for example.

Lauren Thurman (laural.mccallen): And wish there was a collaborative educator group in OS Grid

Mia (praxislady.witt): and the ones returning back to S?

Ellie Brewster: I think we should just think about Open Sim as New Jersey, and stop worrying about it. Include them.

Birdie Newcomb: lol

Tori Landau: virtual ability orientation area to get students started, renew skills of ones who’ve not been in for a while: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Virtual%20Ability/170/102/23

Dae Miami: what about unity 3d sims?

Ellie Brewster: Virtual ability is also a good resource for me, as disability is one of my teaching subjects.

Kali Pizzaro: VA is great to take them too anyway to show how a community can support people

Al Supercharge: If I cd rez here — u cd all get the list I have – -but I’m tired of asking EVERY BLOODY week

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Lauren, I think the collaborative opportunities in SL are a main reason many of us are still here in SL instead of OS

Vic Michalak: Speaking of New Jersey, Thomas Edison museum is good place to take students… but I digress

Ellie Brewster: @ Dae — them too.

Ellie Brewster: Everybody

Kali Pizzaro: we dont own this area AI

Kali Pizzaro: so we cant keep it open to rez

Kali Pizzaro: 🙂

Lauren Thurman (laural.mccallen): Guess I am coming from a K-12 district where we wanted our students younger than 13 to have the experiences our teens did.

Al Supercharge: wheres Iggy ?

(Iggy’s note: I feel like I have a fan clubÉjeez. And I did have no life that week)

Kali Pizzaro: i can do it

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): He couldn’t be here today, AI

Lauren Thurman (laural.mccallen): But, we are still in both environments.

Kali Pizzaro: or just pass me it and I will rez

Al Supercharge: all u need is a 10 minute return rez

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Yes, Lauren, and SL is not an option in that case

Kali Pizzaro: yes

Jimbo Welles: I agree with Grizz- SL is not an option even below high school – if that at all

Dae Miami: i totally agree

Vic Michalak: [Nice to have seen Pathfinder here earlier…. had to say it for the record.]

Zotarah Shepherd: Some OS grids are good for K-12

Dae Miami: ok so how does os grids handle the security issue

Kali Pizzaro: he is here a lot

Birdie Newcomb: Colleges might afford SL, but high schools? probably not

Zotarah Shepherd: Sim owners can handle security pretty well.

Zotarah Shepherd: Limit access and set limits on building

Kali Pizzaro: yes a whitelist

Dae Miami: any body remember uru. I use it at my high school and have had not problems

Kali Pizzaro: even in Sl i use that on my area of land

Dae Miami: i mean i have not had any problems

Zotarah Shepherd: Schools can have their own grids and make them students and teachers only if they want.

Kali Pizzaro: yes

Birdie Newcomb: uru?

Dae Miami: the online version of Myst

Dae Miami: i guess i am showing my age

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Although, Birdie – much depends on how an institution perceives the value of VWs, whether they are motivated to devote funds to SL or OS. In Georgia our public institutions have extreme budget cuts – but our Ed Tech folks still say SL is comparatively cheap for a tech tool experiment

Dae Miami: the cyan world software

Ellie Brewster: Cheap! I’ll say. I’ve been teaching a class at $15 per month.

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): I remember Uru. It was enjoyable, but quite frustrating!

Vic Michalak: I (our university) has had sandbox for five years (nearly 125,000 visitations) and I have only had 3 instances of griefing so far — easily remedied… [Okay, no one think of trying anything there – I’ve got your names… „ã° ]

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): OK, but… (brings out shepherd’s crook)… let’s recommend places we CAN take students…

Zotarah Shepherd: Your Ed Tech folk can build their own grid on a dedicated server for pretty much free

Ellie Brewster: Exactly. You just have to think about it in advance.

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Zo, own grid is free like a puppy.

Jimbo Welles: wonders about puppy poop….

Mia (praxislady.witt): but not much community activity on grids?

Zotarah Shepherd: heeh yes Griz they do need care and maintenance.

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): We don’t have the staff or hardware to develop OS at this point, so SL is much cheaper for us.

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): BUT – let’s recommend destinations LOL

Vic Michalak: For older students – Health Literacy – great interactive site – see http://otsecondlife.wordpress.com/

Dae Miami: I want to try out the abyss observatory can anyone hit me with a lm. I am a science teacher

Oronoque Westland: New location for Virtual Harlem and Virtual Monmartre — Login URI http://apollo.cs.st-andrews.ac.uk:8002/


They are on an OS grid owned by the University of St. Andrews in Scotland.

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): If no one has it, Dae, I’ll search it and put it in the transcript when it goes on the website

Birdie Newcomb: SL is way cheaper than office space

Ellie Brewster: Great news, Oronoque!

Dae Miami: thanks grizzla

Oronoque Westland: Undersea Observatory (http://blog.wsd.net/jreeve/opensim-worlds/) for deep sea exploration. The creator has a build on Kitely, or you can download a stand alone version (sim-on-a-stick) or an OAR to rez on your own sim.

Birdie Newcomb: You get around Oro

Kali Pizzaro: Hi Dae woop about to work with Susan and co on a project – yep great sire

Kali Pizzaro: site

Vic Michalak: Exploratorium – http://slurl.com/secondlife/Exploratorium/89/129/2546 and http://blogs.exploratorium.edu/fabricated-realities/pi-day-2012-in-sl/ (though late for “Pi Day”)

Oronoque Westland: I love the idea of sim-on-a-stick since it eliminates the problem of no or bad internet access.

Zotarah Shepherd: I missed Pi Day last month. : (

Lauren Thurman (laural.mccallen): The Abyss Observatory 128, 128, 26

Ellie Brewster: @ Oro – but isn’t that PC only?

Kali Pizzaro: jokadiagrid should have some good places

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): As far as I know, SOAS is still PC only

Oronoque Westland: @Ellie, don’t know

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): I wish Iggy were here to talk about why he pulled his Usher stuff out of Jokaydia

(Iggy’s note: If I had been there, I’d have explained that Jokaydia was my Plan B for Usher. Now that I’m unlikely to teach again with virtual worlds for a few years, if at all again!, I didn’t need the OpenSim site. I’ll keep an OAR and IAR backup handy, in case I want to rent short-term at Kitely or similar, as long as it’s cross-OS compatible. As the saying goes, “No Mac, No Iggy.” Thus, no sim-on-a-stick for me.)

Ellie Brewster: I stay away from things that aren’t program-agnostic

Oronoque Westland: Jokaydia has a small but nice community of educators

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): We have to stick to what’s cross-platform as well

Ellie Brewster: Summer project = learn to hypergrid

Kali Pizzaro: he still has it there but he needs combat etc

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): …but… but… (nudges the cats)… does anybody have other places, in SL or OS, to recommend?

Kali Pizzaro: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Fashion%20Boulevard%20II/80/49/21

Oronoque Westland: @Grizzla, I do not know if Iggy had Joyadia-specific issues…I think he has no support for virtual world usage for his classes in general

Lauren Thurman (laural.mccallen): http://becunningandfulloftricks.com/hypergrid-adventurers-club/

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): True, Oro, but he rebuilt it in SL

Ellie Brewster: Did anyone mention the Mayo Clinic? They have talks there. I attended one with Eve Ensler that just blew me away

Kali Pizzaro: yes they are great

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Yes, and some of us heard the Dalai Lama at the Mayo sim about a year ago

Ellie Brewster: You have to watch out for the notices. Sometimes I miss them

Vic Michalak: Speaking of other platforms, has anyone tried “theBlu”? Innovative educational and artistic site on web…

Shailey Garfield: Where are Mayo Clinic’s talks advertised?

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): A URL?

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): I only hear about them through the Mayo group.

Ellie Brewster: I joined the group, watch for the notices

Kali Pizzaro: However I still think unless the build has been created to be used without a guide it is useful to have someone there to show you around

Kali Pizzaro: Shailey in their group

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): The group’s name is simply “Mayo Clinic.”

Shailey Garfield: Yes, you are right, Kail, about a guided tour.

Mia (praxislady.witt): agrees with Kali

Ellie Brewster: A well-designed notecard helps – questions for them to answer, things for them to find — even if you accompany them.

Kali Pizzaro: sure

Lauren Thurman (laural.mccallen): http://www.hyperica.com/how-to-travel/

Ellie Brewster: Also, I really like having them use the photo tool to report on a field trip. It’s so easy, they can post their answers with the photo

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Kali – exactly – and if students are going on their own, exploring, the place should be somewhat self-explanatory. Most of the places that have been recommended to me, are not self-explanatory.

Shailey Garfield: Thank you, I have now joined the Mayo Clinic Group

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): We do that too, El

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Where do you have them post pictures, Ellie? I’ve been using a group in flickr.

Oronoque Westland: Bryan Carter (aka Mnemonic) just IM’d me about a grand opening event of the new VH and VM happening on April 10 at 6:30 slt

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): We’ve only got a couple minutes left – so if you’ve been shy to recommend something – toss it to us now! 🙂

Shailey Garfield: Yes, Ellie – a notecard is always useful if somebody gets lost or would like to come back again or for reflection

Kali Pizzaro: oh

Kali Pizzaro: Oro

Mia (praxislady.witt): @Grizzla, maybe the build was not for tours in mind, maybe?

Kali Pizzaro: or take the pics etc out of the VW to a blog

Ellie Brewster: I just shared a notecard for a field trip – if you don’t need it, please delete, won’t hurt my feelings.

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Mia, that’s one of the reasons I’ve had to think through the characteristics of builds that work for OUR learning outcomes. Because most of the recommendations I’ve been given, would not work for our purposes.

Mia (praxislady.witt): oh wow, Ellie, awesome NC

Shailey Garfield: Yes, I like the blog idea – some text around the pictures gives some context rather than just posting them on Flickr (but Flickr has a role too for consolidating and creating groups/sets of pictures).

Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks Ellie

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Yes, Ellie, thanks for sharing that

Jimbo Welles: Ellie- absolutely well done.

LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: Just remembered different teaching methodologies I have run across. Differences could be interesting to students learning to teach.

Jimbo Welles: short, clear. enough questions but not overwhelming

Lauren Thurman (laural.mccallen): Thanks Ellie!!

Kali Pizzaro: yes taking student teachers in is useful

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): All right folks – we’re at that time again. Thank you all for your thoughts, questions, suggestions and creativity!


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