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Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable June 6, 2013
Topic: Virtual Worlds for Teaching Writing & Literature
Grizzla : Hi everyone and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable!
Grizzla : This is a public meeting in TEXT chat. We log the chat and publish a transcript of each meeting.
Grizzla : VWER has met weekly since 2008, and you can find ALL those transcripts at vwer.org/transcripts, full of info and opinions on many topics re virtual worlds and education.
Grizzla : General info about the VWER:
Grizzla : We meet every Thursday, 11:30a-12:30p SLT (SLT = Second Life Time, same as U.S. Pacific time), and we thank Glasgow Caledonian University for allowing us to meet on their virtual campus.
Grizzla : We welcome a wide variety of educators, from seasoned veterans to the newly-rezzed.
Grizzla : Check out the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable group in Second Life and our group on Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/159154226946/
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Grizzla : To introduce myself: in “First Life,” people call me Chris Robinson, and I’ll moderate today’s discussion.
Grizzla : At Georgia Gwinnett College in metro Atlanta, I develop resources for faculty members who want to use Second Life in their courses, and I also teach the SL orientations for students.
Grizzla : Shameless plug! On GGC Island, we have an SL orientation area which is available for anyone’s use: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/GGC%20Island/66/81/28. Please visit any time! I also welcome your feedback for improvements.
Grizzla : Moving on…
Grizzla : Today’s discussion belongs to a series on using virtual worlds to help teach various subjects. In past weeks, we’ve talked about language learning, and the sciences.
Grizzla : And, of course, you can find those transcripts at vwer.org/transcripts
Grizzla : This week, we turn our attention to VWs as a tool in the teaching of writing and literature.
Grizzla : We always begin by briefly introducing ourselves, so please do – and if this is your first time here, please say so, so we can take good care of you.
Grizzla : Everyone can type at once!
Claudia13 Rossini: Claudia…builder
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Dan Holt, English professor at Lansing Community College, Michigan.
Esparanza Freese is Hope Botterbusch with 14 days til retirement!!
Kimira Davi: Kimira Davi – I teach reading, writing and study skills at Southern Illinois University Edwardsville.
Beth Ghostraven: Beth Ghostraven, middle school librarian in RL and owner of the Book and Tankard Pub in Victoria City, Caledon in SL; unofficial liaison between education groups in SL; @booklady9
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): I’m jealous, Espie!
JeanClaude Vollmar: Hi! I’m Jeff Le Blanc, the VP for IT at the University of Northwester Ohio.
Esparanza Freese: thanks Dan
Zotarah Shepherd: I am working on an MA in Education at Sonoma State University in northern California. I finished my classes a few years ago. My Thesis project: Teaching and Learning Life Awareness & Success Skills. I wonder if it will ever get finished.
Rorschach (ucmo.hotshot): Terry, Instructional Designer, University of Central Missouri
Galileo Zeplin: ed johnson, board of regents, university system of georgia (and retiring in 16 days!)
Letty Luckstone: Leticia De Leon, Associate Professor, University of Texas Pan American and current VWBPE Programs Chair
Banba Brewster: Dawn Fry, Directer of Instructional Design at Pinnacle Career Institute
Pathfinder Lester: John Lester, Chief Learning Officer, ReactionGrid, working with Unity3d and web-based virtual worlds, Montreal, http://about.me/pathfinder
Ellie Brewster: Sharon Collingwood, Ohio State Women’s Studies
Maika Giordano: I work at the MA Education in Virtual Worlds, UWE Bristol
Grant Wishes (grantfaster): Tony Keys, using SL in Project Management
Sum Anachen (szemanzoltan): Zoltan Szeman, From Hungary, MA student in Andragogy, making community and research in SL, tutoring, mentoring stuffs like this
Mskeni: Kendra Barker, Instructional Designer at Pinnacle Career Institute and this is my first time.
Samantha Chester (sam55.chester): I teach Writing and composition.
Grizzla: Anybody else?
Siri Vezina: oops, Mary Anne Carletta, I teach biology and env science – and am a little out of place, but I’ll listen in.
Siri Vezina: Are we using voice at all?
Grizzla: This is a text roundtable discussion.
Grizzla: We log the chat and publish the transcript at http://vwer.org
Beth Ghostraven: (although I’m a little bit behind on posting those transcripts; my apologies!)
Grizzla: OK, then – let’s launch into today’s topic. I’d like to take this in two parts…
Grizzla: BEFORE we start posting places to take students, I’d like us to talk for a bit about the concept of using SL for language arts & literature instruction – what does SL (or other VW) let us do, that we couldn’t do as well otherwise?
Beth Ghostraven: lets students immerse themselves in a setting that’s similar to what’s in the book
Siri Vezina: easier to dress as a literary character
Rorschach (ucmo.hotshot): Less inhibition toward role play
Grizzla grins – definitely
Sum Anachen (szemanzoltan): we can’t speak in SL language
Maika Giordano: visit the country where the target language is spoken and interact with a pool of native speakers
Sum Anachen (szemanzoltan): or any sleng
Zotarah Shepherd: Someone brought refreshments, yummm.
Beth Ghostraven: Yes, these tarts are delicious!
Rorschach (ucmo.hotshot): @ Zotarah, I licked one of the cookies and put it back
Samantha Chester (sam55.chester): Well I have brought my students to poetry reading. Some friends did a reading on the plays of Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes. They would not have been able to do that where I teach.
Zotarah Shepherd: I think roleplay with food somehow makes it more believable and immersive. A great way to learn another language too.
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): lol, the animation from the tea kicks you out of a seated animation!
Grizzla: True, although today we aren’t talking about language learning – that was a couple of months ago. I apologize because I realize I wasn’t 100% clear about it.
Grizzla: Today, in using the term “language arts,” we mean for people in their own native language. So writing skills, for example
Grizzla: The transcript from that discussion can be found here: http://www.vwer.org/2013/04/25/april-25-2013-language-learning-in-virtual-worlds/
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Some students are much more comfortable reading aloud their work in a virtual world than f2f.
Siri Vezina: There used to be a group that did Shakespeare plays, too.
Grizzla: Yes, it’s sad that the Shakespeare company is gone
Beth Ghostraven: There’s a whole Macbeth sim
Maika Giordano: yes
Sum Anachen (szemanzoltan): Well I’m not a professional in english but I used to post all my english work (with lot of mistakes) on my blog
Maika Giordano: the whispers one right?
Samantha Chester (sam55.chester): Yes there is Beth.
Beth Ghostraven: yes, Maika
Grizzla: Let’s wait a bit before talking about specific sims… I’d like to focus on concepts first
Sum Anachen (szemanzoltan): Poetry reading is working well, as well I heard of writing micro fictions
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): There used to be a rather creepy Dante’s Inferno sim. Is that still around?
Grizzla: Let’s wait a bit before talking about specific sims… I’d like to focus on concepts first
Delenn Daines: long gone Dan
Kimira Davi: I can see the advantages for teaching literature, but what about composition, i.e. teaching students to write in academic dialect??
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): There are a good number of poetry/short story readings/workshops that students can benefit from.
Ellie Brewster: That was Eloise Pasteur. She’s probably still got a copy of the Inferno
Grizzla: How do you find out about readings and workshops?
Sum Anachen (szemanzoltan): yeah it is a great question I want to know about them as well
Delenn Daines: contact caledonia skytower about a daily list of the readings
Samantha Chester (sam55.chester): Some are advertised in Events.
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): @Kimira, being able to meet in world for online composition courses gives students much more of a sense of being in a class, more of a learning community, than 2D LMS.
Samantha Chester (sam55.chester): Others I find off of my groups
Maika Giordano: yes, if you search poetry readings for example
Grizzla: Sam, you mean the SL events through the search function in SL?
Maika Giordano: search function yes
Samantha Chester (sam55.chester): Yes Grizzla – the SL search
Ellie Brewster: You can also use a google doc in MOAP to go over essays together
Beth Ghostraven: be in the Book Island group
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): And reading aloud comp students’ own writing along with giving each other real time, verbal feedback is very valuable.
Rorschach (ucmo.hotshot): Dialogues of Medieval Women in Second Life-Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB1OuZmxxwU
Grizzla: Ellie, can you suggest any references on how to do that?
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): I use Google docs to do so, Grizzla.
Grizzla: Dan, do you mean that you search out the events and then post to Google docs?
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): No, I post instructions, students paste their essay drafts into a google doc in world so others can follow along.
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Or they’ll use a notecard. They choose.
Grizzla: Oh ok I misunderstood
Ellie Brewster: @ Grizzla – it’s just the ability to use voice while going over a google doc
Delenn Daines: You can join the Seanchai Library group to get notecards about the poetry and book readings
Samantha Chester (sam55.chester): Yes Seanchai is a great resource
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): They have fiction reading almost every evening.
Grizzla: So… in SL… students can read their works aloud, they can attend readings and other literary events, they can roleplay literature…
Grizzla: …what did I forget?
Maika Giordano: there are creative writing classes too
Maika Giordano: or they used to be
Beth Ghostraven: The Caledon Library has book groups and readings, too, publicized through Independent State of Caledon group
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): For comp students, they can also go to lectures/discussions about a variety of issues.
Ellie Brewster: (read their own creative work to others)
Rorschach (ucmo.hotshot): Creative writing inspired by activities and locations in Second Life
Maika Giordano: yes
Grizzla: Yes, I’ve met a couple of people involved in roleplay communities in SL, who use it as inspiration for their writing of fiction
Siri Vezina: I’ve seen a couple books illustrated with pictures of SL scenes and avatars
Beth Ghostraven: I have a friend, Olivia Whitsend, who has started a RL career as an editor, using Book Island to do writing groups
Maika Giordano: also tasks
Maika Giordano: they carry out group tasks to inspire creative writing
Maika Giordano: like word association
Grizzla: What kind of group tasks?
Maika Giordano: finish this sentence
Maika Giordano: simple things like that
Maika Giordano: but done in groups
Grizzla: Ah – very cool
Maika Giordano: they are fun
Maika Giordano: yes
Maika Giordano: and they work
Grizzla: Maika, are those open to anyone to attend? I’d love to see how it works.
Maika Giordano: you end up having quite a creative piece of work done by a group of people
Maika Giordano: yes they are
Maika Giordano: I normally just search for classes to attend
Samantha Chester (sam55.chester): Yes there was a fun word association game called Speed Bump. But I don’t know if it is being sold anymore.
Maika Giordano: these classes are free
Grizzla: Anything else, before we move more specifically into locations to visit?
Maika Giordano: role plays are good to create stories
Maika Giordano: I guess they can help with creative writing
Maika Giordano: they write the script among the players dont they?
Maika Giordano: do this is a good way
SandraD (sdking): How often are the roundtables?
Delenn Daines: this slurl has the first world war poetry archive http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Frideswide/219/198/647
Maika Giordano: just came to my mind
Delenn Daines: and there is the Jules verne museum http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Lily/190/172/8
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Here’s Seanchai Library, mentioned earlier: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Imagination%20Island/46/211/28
Beth Ghostraven: Foul Whisperings Macbeth Sim: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Macbeth/46/54/54
Delenn Daines: Book island http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Book%20Island/171/198/36
Ellie Brewster: I did a post on sim sharing quite a while ago. One of the sims, Theatron, is still active, and its a great project. http://elliebrewster.com/2010/02/20/cost-effectiveness-in-sl/
Grizzla: One thing I always think about, when I consider where to take students, is whether the place sort of explains itself, or whether you need to be with someone who knows it – a tour guide, sort of…
Ellie Brewster: They have theatres you can use at no charge
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Bookstacks pub: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Awen/136/128/25
Siri Vezina: Is the Globe Theater still around?
Ellie Brewster: I think The Globe is now in OpenSim
Grizzla: Someone mentioned the Macbeth build earlier – I went there quite awhile back, but couldn’t figure out what they did there.
Grizzla: I prefer to take students places where they don’t make comments like “This place seems dead”
Rorschach (ucmo.hotshot): http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Mieville%20Twain/128/128/2 12 sims joined that form a large steampunk theme area, great for inspiration!
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): I prefer events over places or exhibits.
Grizzla: Yes, agreed
Banba Brewster: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Mandi%20Isle/169/121/826 – Almost Wonderland – a twisted version based on the Alice books
Ellie Brewster: You have to keep your ear to the ground for inword events
Grizzla: But if a place – it has to be somewhat self-explanatory – like PTSD Island
Grizzla: So what other great destinations are there – including those that host events?
Ellie Brewster: You could include a music event – like Kate’s weekly events
Ellie Brewster: Something to spark creative writing
Ellie Brewster: Or observation of social behavior
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Milk Wood, where writers get together and write together: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Milk%20Wood/77/64/22
Rorschach (ucmo.hotshot): http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Garden%20of%20dreams/126/35/91 Inspiration, scenic
Grizzla: Galileo, would you mind posting some of the places you know of for philosophy discussions?
Samantha Chester (sam55.chester): C’est Soir sponsors poetry readings but I do not seem to have Slurl.
Galileo Zeplin: well, for those interested in philosophical aspects…
Samantha Chester (sam55.chester): Oh wait I do
Samantha Chester (sam55.chester): http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife//75/92/1502
Galileo Zeplin: you can find a number of good venues via search …such as philosophy house, philosophy annex, thothica, roma humanism gardern, etc.
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Here’s the slurl I have for Ce Soir: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Ce%20Soir/202/184/1001
Delenn Daines: Russell Eponym reads poetry most days at Ce Soir, you can join his group
Galileo Zeplin: a few, such as thothica, have regularly scheduled sessions
Samantha Chester (sam55.chester): thanks Dan
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): yw
Zotarah Shepherd: I used to go to the Socrates Cafe for philosophical discussions.
Grizzla: Galileo, I guess the schedule for discussions is posted at thotica?
Galileo Zeplin: yes, thothica has big kiosk at landing point listing scheduled discussion
Galileo Zeplin: a good way to approach philosophy discussions is to join their groups, since you will get session announcements
Ellie Brewster: I wish search functioned better
Ellie Brewster: We could find more stuff
Grizzla: There’s a place called OSHO that has info etc. on meditation – good place to explore
Galileo Zeplin: sometimes the philosophy discussions get fairly intense…so come with open mind and thick skin
Grizzla: Agreed, Ellie – SL search certainly is lacking
Galileo Zeplin: but they are fantastic places to hear diverse perspectives from all over the world, on many different topics
Sheila Yoshikawa: and people don’t seem to use the SLED calendar any more
Grizzla: Not at all, Sheila?
Ellie Brewster: We should revamp it, and include other VW’s. Maybe the upcoming VWBPE is an opportunity to do that.
Ellie Brewster: Maybe we should get together and do a roundtable discussion
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): University of Delaware has a good lecture series during fall and spring semesters: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/University%20of%20Delaware/62/149/26
Sheila Yoshikawa: well, scarcely at all. Not even sure if the original person is still running it, to give permissions to post there?
Grizzla: I don’t think I even knew they had a calendar – didn’t remember it, anyway
Ellie Brewster: I volunteer to check up on that.
Grizzla: Thank you, Ellie. If you can get the info to me, we’ll put it in the transcript
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): That would be really cool if it SLED calendar were more up to date.
Ellie Brewster: kk
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Virtually Speaking has events that could be valuable for comp students each week; http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Pini/64/76/46
Grizzla: NonProfit Commons as well, Dan
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Definitely.
Sum Anachen (szemanzoltan): It was interesting to read, ty all I learn a lot new opportunities
Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): And Science Friday.
Sheila Yoshikawa: sorry I was just looking to see if I had permissions to invite others into the SLED calendar, but I can only post to it
Grizzla: Thanks for checking
Rorschach (ucmo.hotshot): Astronomy simulations would be visually interesting
Grizzla: Yes, really looking forward to VWBPE this year
Grizzla: OK folks, the time has flown quickly again.
Grizzla: We meet again next week – same time, same place
Grizzla: Feel free to stick around and chat as long as you like