August 15, 2013: The New EDU discount and your Second Life

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Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable August 15, 2013

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Topic: “The New EDU discount and your Second Life”

Photos by Beth and Iggy. Join our VWER groups at Flickr and Koinup to add your own pictures!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I’m Joe Essid, University of Richmond Writing Center & English Dept., and I’ve used SL or OpenSim in my teaching from 2007-spring 2013

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: It’s great to be back at VWER, as guest moderator this week.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Today’s meeting is, “The New EDU discount and your Second Life”

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: This is a public meeting in TEXT CHAT, so we do keep and publish a transcript of what is said in local chat. If you’ve not seen the transcripts, you should check them out รข they are an excellent information asset.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Special thanks to VWER’s transcriber, Beth Ghostraven, for posting them for us

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We meet each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour.

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Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Let’s start as we always do with introductions.

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Selby Evans, blogger–

Delenn Daines: Judy Kelly, Henry Ford Community College, Dearborn MI

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Dan Holt, English prof at Lansing Community College, MI.

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Chris Robinson, Georgia Gwinnett College, metro Atlanta

JeanClaude Vollmar: Hi. I’m Jeff Le Blanc from the University of Northwestern Ohio.

Zadark Xavorin: Roger Kirkman, UK

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): don’t be shy, y’all. Anyone else?

Beth Ghostraven: hold on,

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): holds on

Silviana Jenvieve: Jenny Oliver, sessional tutor, University of Greenwich, leading a trial of in-world learning

Oronoque Westland: Roberta Kilkenny, Hunter College, City Univ of New York…Africana Studies and educational technology

Beth Ghostraven: Beth Ghostraven, middle school librarian in RL and owner of the Book and Tankard Pub in Victoria City, Caledon in SL; unofficial liaison between education groups in SL; @booklady9

Beth Ghostraven: phew!

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): ๐Ÿ™‚

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): going once

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): and twice

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Here comes Zo

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): and Pancha!

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): and SOLD (at an edu discount) to the educator with the wings!

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Hi Zo! Just getting started

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Hi Pancha and welcome everyone!

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): waves at Zo and Pancha

Pancha Enzyme: hi! greetings all ๐Ÿ™‚

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Now today let’s begin with a simple question or two: Answer “yes” if it applies

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): How many of you work at a school that pays tier?

Delenn Daines: yes

Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Iggy and Grizzla

Pancha Enzyme: y

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): yes

Zotarah Shepherd: I am using firestorm and still changing the settings. *grrr*

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): No, but the Michigan Virtual Learning Collaborative does.

Zotarah Shepherd: I wish I did. hehe

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Okay, Dan, that would count if you use it for teaching and learning

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Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): How many of you worked at a school that used to pay tier before the discount but then left SL?

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): I do.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): yes

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): no

thierryAH: n

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Dan, I’ll move your answer in the transcript

Silviana Jenvieve: I did (U Kent Psychology, tho’ I was in Digital Arts)

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Last yes/no question in a second

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): We almost left SL when they changed tier – but we didn’t like any of the alternatives

Beth Ghostraven: no for both, & don’t expect to (middle school)

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Anyone here going to take advantage of the new discount to expand or enter SL?

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Michigan Community College Association Virtual Learning Collaborative (MCCAVLC), started paying after the discount.

Silviana Jenvieve: U Kent was rather anti-SL, and tier change at short notice killed any possibility of using SL

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): My school said “No” even with the discount. Not enough faculty interest.

JeanClaude Vollmar: We’re going to be leaving SL at the end of the year because faculty interest is pretty much gone now.

Zotarah Shepherd: I don’t trust that LL won’t change things again. I lost all of my MA degree thesis project when I lost my sim. So I had to start over.

Oronoque Westland: My school said no when the discount was in effect. I will not go back to them, even though the persons who were opposed to SL are no longer in place.

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): We already got the discount by asking for it back in the spring

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): So I did tell Maria Korolov that I’d mention her piece. My remarks are predictably (if yo know me!) negative, but others are more upbeat

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): her column is here:

Silviana Jenvieve: Charlie Brown, Lucy and the football?

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): yes! I love that metaphor about LL and trust

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): anyone not know it?

Beth Ghostraven: Oh, did you see Iggy’s post, Sil?

Silviana Jenvieve: Yes!

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Overall, this is a good move by Linden Lab, but it was too late for my school. How could they make it work better for others?

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): I’ll paste a picture of the football kick into the transcript, or even the video ๐Ÿ˜›

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): grins

Zotarah Shepherd: Charles Shultz was a major contributor to SSU so yeah I really know Charlie Brown and Co.

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): They could set up an educational gateway for educators and students to enter

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): What I mean is, the Lindens timed it well, to coincide with VWBPE. How can they convince the wary to come back or try SL for the first time?

Zotarah Shepherd: That is an excellent analogy

Oronoque Westland: If a school left, would they have to pay the setup fee again to return?

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Thanks, Thinkerer. There had been talk of an educational continent before Pathfinder, Claudia, and other Lindens lost their jobs supporting education

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): I kinda doubt that they can convince anybody who feels so burned that they left. I think the best they can do is try to attract new users – new institutions that haven’t tried it before.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Good Q, O

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): with appropriate entry help and contacts

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): So they’d need a Linden employee tasked to help educators?

Silviana Jenvieve: An edu continent would be really neat.

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): I think they would need that.

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): deja vu

Beth Ghostraven: They already have EduIslands–would a continent be different?

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): (edu-focused employees)

Zotarah Shepherd: Oh it was not just the discount but also letting go of Path and Claudia and a few more things.

Oronoque Westland: removing the tier discount was an important consideration, but only one, for why schools left

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): two items on the table. Let’s toss both out. What would YOU want an employee to do? And what would YOU want on edu-continent?

Oronoque Westland: hey Zo…great minds and all that

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): I’m going to send this transcript, as a link, to Rod Humble and Hamlet Au

Zotarah Shepherd: nods to Oro

thierryAH: excuse me , i’m a new one and don’t know the whole story but why don’t you create you’re own continent for free education, like francogrid

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): I’d like to ask – what did Path and Claudia do when they were the edu people? Because by the time I was hired to work in SL, they were gone.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): @Thierry, I think that was Pathfinder’s big plan

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): but he lost his job. Might have been Claudia’s. I don’t recall.

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): One big thing, Grizzla, is that they were accessible.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Path was a recruiter for STEM projects, I believe, and he ran the Boston Linden Office. He helped bring in the many sims for the UT system

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): @Dan – I don’t mean to be dense, but… accessible for what?

MerlimMago: ola

Silviana Jenvieve: Indeed, Dan I recall chatting to Path in his office very early on in my exploration of SL for more serious purposes.

Oronoque Westland: @Thierry, I think the suggestion is to have an educational continent in SL (which is not free). Then some of the issues like x-rated activity, griefing, etc., that scared off some schools, could be controlled

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Path set up the first Edu-Faire that LL sponsored

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): there is development on an into path:

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Zotarah Shepherd: Claudia was very supportive of educational projects. She was personally helpful to me when I started too.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): So we want accessible Lindens who understand education as part of their job description. What else?

Silviana Jenvieve: Path was an excellent listener.

Silviana Jenvieve: In SL and outside -still is.

Zotarah Shepherd: Yes he is and so was Claudia

Silviana Jenvieve: Forgive me, Claudia – I’ve been away from SL for a while!

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Thinking about the continent – it would be nice if you could set student accounts so they can only stay in the edu region IF that’s what you want

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): I would love to have an inworld Linden available for students to go to when they’re having difficulties, like a help desk in world.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): yes, Claudia Linden was the one who cleared up the rights to re-use accounts for students

Beth Ghostraven: 3) Click anywhere on the HUD to display the setup menu

4) Click the My Lang button to set your native language

5) Click the Trans To button to set the language to translate TO

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): So concierge service for educators, Dan?

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Was that not allowed before? I would think LL would prefer re-used accounts instead of students creating accounts they never use again.

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Exactly, Iggy, for educators and students.

Beth Ghostraven: Merlim, do you see the translator HUD showing at the top of your screen?

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): @Grizzla, it was not clear before Claudia Linden made a statement

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): @Zo, I would not return to SL, but Educators like Dan need a community for their teaching, as do many in languages. I just use stand-alone simulations and pre-made avies.

Beth Ghostraven: (Merlim, the translator only works in Nearby Chat, not in IMs)

Zadark Xavorin: I heard mentioned during a conference that the Second life web page was probably not a suitable welcoming for parents of students using SL, could education have their own Second life portal?

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): If LL became a real valuable service for educators, like an online help desk where students could go, that would make it more valuable than most opensim worlds.

Oronoque Westland: I would like to see online support similar to what the Firestorm people have…with the frequent changes to the LL viewer it is hard for students to be in-world without that

Zotarah Shepherd: The translator is working fine ofr me in local chat. (Firestorm Phoenix viewer)

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): @Zadark, EXCELLENT point. I’d lose my audience in a pitch, instantly, if they saw Marketplace

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Yes, Zadark, it would be nice if there was a sort of RegAPI specifically for edu use

Silviana Jenvieve: I feel uncomfortable with the web page when trying to introduce SL to sceptical tutors.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): So we want: continent, in-world support, specialized web portal

Zadark Xavorin: Maybe this is time to apply pressure, education have significant investments within second life?

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): @Zadark, I think–think–there are about 100 schools left here officially

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): that’s not much leverage with 27,000 sims (and shrinking)

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): See for the shrinking SL stats

Silviana Jenvieve: There could be one more if I can persuade my Prof!

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): If we come up with some suggestions for the Lindens, I can run them as an article in my blog

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Something I did, to avoid the bad first impression of the general webpage, is make a bunch of accounts for students and faculty that get passed from one person to another each semester. When the SL module is over, I encourage them to make their own accounts. By that time, I hope, they will like SL well enough that they won’t be put off by how SL presents itself.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Yes, I will put our main suggestions as a bullet-list in my blog and link to the transcript

Oronoque Westland: though I cringe at the LL website and marketplace, I am not sure that having a different portal for educators works well if it is the “same old” SL…wouldn’t admins and parents think we were being a bit tricky once they happen across the LL site

Oronoque Westland: ?

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Not sure, Oro.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): My students didn’t even know what SL is. It’s faded from public memory

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): I think that’s become quite true, Iggy.

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Iggy — do we have link to your blog?

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Oro, I like the comparison with the web in general. If students go to your institution’s website, they or their parents can blame you for what else is on the web.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): and that is not a bad thing

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Agreed.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): One thing we’ve not noted: building permissions

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): *I meant to type, they CAN’T blame you

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): I’d like to be able to share builds easier and transfer full rights to builds when a student builder graduates

Oronoque Westland: I forgive you Grizzla (LOL)

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): ๐Ÿ™‚

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): At Richmond we moved to a “master builder” model, with each taking on one part of the build

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville):

Oronoque Westland: I would like the educational discount extended to individual faculty members (but I won’t hold my breath)

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Anything else you’d want on an edu continent? How about outsiders not being able to visit without a guide or group membership?

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): that would reduce griefing by outsiders

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Yes I agree

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Being able to move from opensims to SL and vice versa would also benefit the ed. community and enhance use of both.

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): yes — keep out the griefers

Silviana Jenvieve: You might have an issue with new members, but yes., Iggy

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): What do you mean, Sil?

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): I saw the Drexel campus hit by terraforming griefers once:

Silviana Jenvieve: We’ve locked our venue as far as possible, but they need somewhere to go before becoming group members.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): You’d have a continental info hub as the default landing spot

Silviana Jenvieve: Until they have membership, they cannot get into our meeting place. But when they first join, they don’t have this membership.

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Maybe they could set things up so that anybody who has permission to create an account via the edu website, is automatically made a group member

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): with bulletin boards and even links to MOOCs from schools

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): You can set up join poster around SL

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): I’m dreaming of course ๐Ÿ™‚

Silviana Jenvieve: ๐Ÿ™‚

Silviana Jenvieve: Nice dream, tho.

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Thinkerer, I suspect if the group were open for anyone to join instead of invitation-only, we’d still get the griefer problems

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): true

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): I do wonder if schools could use smaller parcels, if they know that they are an an edu mainland

Silviana Jenvieve: Sort of ‘outer circle’ and inner circle?

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): that would save on tier

Beth Ghostraven: and lots of groups don’t need a whole sim

Beth Ghostraven: they only rent that much to have control

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): we began in SL with a parcel, but we were next to a casino and night club with adult content!

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): It would also be cool (dream on) if they could transplant edu private islands to all be close to each other

Silviana Jenvieve: A little like the SciLands Archipelago?

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): LL could build an edu archipelago yes.

Beth Ghostraven: It seems like that would just be a server issue, Grizz

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): you could have multi – use builds — one sim several campuses — if times are different

Silviana Jenvieve: They moved the SciLands to be further from adult content., if I recall correctly.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Anything else we’ve not mentioned as serious inducements to recruit more educators?

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): I’d love an OAR backup

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): most edu builds are not heavily used

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): well, it would an an SLAR here ๐Ÿ™‚

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): That’s for sure

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): (not heavily used)

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): We use our builds during class time or for projects. No one “hung out” on our campus island.

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): so share cost over several schools

Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Al

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Hello Al

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ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): use holodecks to rez when needed

Al Supercharge: Hi all

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): describe that, Thinkerer

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Holodeck is rezzer —

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): like in starttek TNG

Silviana Jenvieve: [I had a holodeck type auditorium once. Rezzed when needed]

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): can rez a whole sim

Silviana Jenvieve: Multi-use hall.

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I have some on my sim Thinkerer quests

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): The world called OpenLife has that feature, called “Scene flip”

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): you could load up to five sims and flip them for roleplay or training

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): probably content could fill 5 sims

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): It was amazing technology

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I can demo sometime if you like

Oronoque Westland: there is a build in SL that makes intensive use of holodecks…trying to remember the name…I think the owner is an academic also

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): we have a poetry library that is rezzed each week for a meeting

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Edunation, think

Oronoque Westland: maybe the person is Thinkerer?

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): This would enable what, exactly? Better use of limited prims? Sharing sims?

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I will look for SLurl

Oronoque Westland: there was a lineup of posters for different builds and you clicked on what you wanted and voila

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): So we have 15 minutes remaining

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville):

Oronoque Westland: massive buildings…very elaborate

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): what else can the Lab do to renew interest, beyond the discount, more staff helping educators, and an edu-lands continent?

Zotarah Shepherd: Years ago Health Info Island had a build by Isa Goodman that only rezzed when an avatar was in the area.

Oronoque Westland: for a course you could rez a build for each module

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I think that is the place — I am planning an article about it

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I have a script for rez on entry

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): free — will supply on request

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): There are places that you can buy pre-fab buildings that have rezzers so you can walk around in the one you want to see – but they aren’t ALL rezzed at the same time – to save space & prims. It would be cool to have something like that for edu builds – rez it for as long as needed, easy to change it to something else

Birdie Newcomb: How is the age limit change working out, now that Teen Grid is gone?

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): btw, 16 on the sim, for the transcript

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): the holodeck can be set to derez if no one is around for a time

Zotarah Shepherd: I would like to see a continent for education – all subjects represented that is open to all students

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): education, museums, etc.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): So education and higher ed on one continent, Zo?

Birdie Newcomb: Like an Education Ministry?

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): yes, nonprofits too

Birdie Newcomb: Once we had Claudia Oncea Linden

Zotarah Shepherd: Yes Birdie I would like to see the age limit reduced to 13 with limited access to PG only sims

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Right, Birdie, and Path and one other Linden too

Zotarah Shepherd: Yes

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Zo, how would they verify age?

Zotarah Shepherd: The lower grades can be inspired by the work for older students. Like we do with museums in RL

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Currently, according to SL’s TOS, even an M region can have total nudity as long as there isn’t public sex.

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Don’t just use age — use school

Birdie Newcomb: We’re working on that in California 8=)

Zadark Xavorin: Could Linden use something like EDuroam to verify user accounts?

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): We’d have to segregate school children. Some systems shun even artistic nudity in the curriculum

Zotarah Shepherd: They verified ages for the TG so they could do it for here … although I knew several teens on the teen grid who had separate accounts here.

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): only let established students in —

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): but in general, the group likes the idea of the synergy a continent would provide for non-profits and education

Oronoque Westland: not sure that having 13-16 and 16 and above in the same place would work given different interests and more mature academic subject matter for the latter

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Maybe the person who registers (at least for higher ed) would have to use an edu email address

Birdie Newcomb: Restrictions should be up to the schools.

Zotarah Shepherd: Some parents got them accounts or even let them use their accounts in SL

Birdie Newcomb: Linden Lab might help them with, say, special groups

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Okay–my last question

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): what is in it for LINDEN LAB? They get more tier, and a “halo” customer. but what else?

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): And 13 year-olds know how to lie about their age — but that is not new

Birdie Newcomb: Young customers

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): They get more potential customers

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Oronoque Westland: an image builder

Birdie Newcomb: like handing out cigarettes at schools, as a long term strategy

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): @Birdie, good point, but in my years teaching, only one of about 200 students stayed for a while, to play in a virtual soccer league

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Yes, SL could become known for something other than divorces and other scandals

Zotarah Shepherd: Most teens wanted main grid accounts to go shopping here and to sell what they had made here.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): have others here have students stay in SL?

Zadark Xavorin: Vitually all users introduced to Second life through education programs are newcomers

Birdie Newcomb: Some of the most inventive things I saw was on Teen Grid, though it tended toward griefing…

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): I’ve had some, but definitely most do not.

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): I do roleplay in SL and when I tell RP friends about all that goes on in SL educationally, those people are shocked.

Oronoque Westland: I had two or three stay, at least for a while

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): That’s LL’s fault, isn’t it, Grizzla? Why don’t they publicize it more?

Birdie Newcomb: I think that’s because SL shut them out for so long

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): I have at least two from last year (out of 100) who have stayed.

Birdie Newcomb: It’s boring — until you figure out that you can do almost anything

Zotarah Shepherd: I know a few former teen grid kids who are still in SL.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): What keeps them here?

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): The retention rate for those who come in on their own is probably not much better

Zotarah Shepherd: Activities mostly

Birdie Newcomb: Daniel Voyager is doing a lot

JeanClaude Vollmar: I have another meeting to run to. Thanks everyone. See you next time.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): about 10% retention, still, after the first hour. The CEO claims 20%

Beth Ghostraven: Birdie, do you mean his blog, or other things?

Oronoque Westland: In one case the student was able to meet with people from the Caribbean here (the student is in NY)

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Take care JC!

Beth Ghostraven: take care, Jean Claude!

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Next week…

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): yesssss next week?

Birdie Newcomb: yes, the blog. He ust e all over the place

Zotarah Shepherd: Yes Daniel is a one of my TG friends who documents more SL events and photos than anyone else I know.

thierryAH: by jc

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): We’ll be talking about what it takes to get up-to-speed in SL. Particularly, how long before someone feels reasonably comfortable.

Silviana Jenvieve: The possibilities of international meetings without setting foot on a jetplane is convincing my folk now.

Silviana Jenvieve: [Big on Green!]

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): I think making access to SL from other than beefy graphics computers might make a difference–being able to access from less expensive laptops, tablets.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): drumroll for Grizzla’s excellent title: “How long does it take? Getting comfortable with a VW avatar”

Silviana Jenvieve: Yes, indeed, Prof Dan!

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): LOL thanks – I didn’t remember my own title

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): I agree Dan! That’s a big deterrent!

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): RUC is working on carbon credits

Silviana Jenvieve: Our chemistry students have iPads!

Zotarah Shepherd: SL used to have a Mentors group and they disbanded it. So sad.

Oronoque Westland: yes Dan…my students mostly use smart devices now so access from those would be a big plus

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Remember, I’ll share this transcript, so any final requests for the Lindens, beyond the free pony?

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): The biggest problem with students is when their equipment makes the experience in SL opaque.

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): On the other hand, it’s the comparably-bad graphics in SL that keep serious gamers from taking SL seriously. That would be more of a problem if the graphics requirements were lower.

Silviana Jenvieve: It is going to be my biggest problem, accessibility on older equipment.

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): I do wonder how much server-side baking/appearance is going to reduce graphics demands

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Gamers have more of a problem with lag than they do with the graphics of SL.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): Right. as one student told me “not everyone will buy an Alienware desktop for a class to use SL”

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): our student body is 100% laptop now

Oronoque Westland: we are BYOD

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): and about 70% Mac OS. It’s all BYOD here, too

Prof. Dan (profdan.netizen): Same here, Oro, especially with the online students.

Silviana Jenvieve: Running a laptop here, (MacBook Pro) and still frying my graphics card on mod. low setting.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): I found that even with fast systems, it was still better to put them in a lab for a project

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): any final words for the Lindens?

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Don’t change viewers in the middle of a semester

Beth Ghostraven: Thank you for thinking about educators again!

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): yep

Al Supercharge: and I take the nes that LA School district issuing all 47,000 pupils an IPAD (costing the district $675 each!) as bad news

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): thank all of you for being here today and suffering me again. It has been fun to visit you all once more

Birdie Newcomb: Yes. Thanks for trying — why didn’t you do it sooner?

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Great to have you back! You know we love you.

Zotarah Shepherd: Why is that bad Al?

Oronoque Westland: great seeing everyone

Silviana Jenvieve: TY Iggy, and tc all.

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): awwwwwww thanks. I will be back to visit in Fall.

Zotarah Shepherd: Bye Sil

Grizzla (grizzla.pixelmaid): Thanks for coming, Sil ๐Ÿ™‚

Beth Ghostraven: Bye, Silviana!

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): now off to pick up some prims Ev missed when she moved Usher

Iggy (ignatius.onomatopoeia): have a great summer, all–what remains of it!

Zotarah Shepherd: Have a good vacation Iggy


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