November 5, 2015: Open Forum

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Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable: November 5, 2015

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Topic: Open Forum

Photos by Beth Ghostraven

Sheila Yoshikawa: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable. We meet Thursdays at 11:30am SLT for an hour. 7:30pm In UK, 2:30pm EST. VWER is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education in virtual worlds. This is a public meeting, so we will be keeping and publishing a transcript. The transcripts can be found at The VWER continues to develop a community of educators from around the world.

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Sheila Yoshikawa: I am moderating today. This week’s theme is: open forum Let’s start as we normally do and introduce ourselves. As usual we will be in text chat for the whole session.

Sheila Yoshikawa: I’m Sheila and I teach and research at the University of Sheffield, UK, in the Information School

Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): artist and educator, teaching at Tribeca Flashpoint, and elsewhere in Chicago

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Selby Evans, Blogger, VWBPE Call for papers, Meet 3/9-12/2016. Proposals due by 1/17/2016

Marly (marly.milena): Niela Miller, M.S. Ed. is a multi-artist, humanistic psychotherapist,

educator, trainer, coach, & group facilitator in and out of SL.  She has two groups offering programs in SL—Octagon:Creative Exploration and Adventures in Lifelong Learning (with Wisdomseeker Lissena aka Liss). Her special invention in SL is something she calls Symbolic Modeling.

Beth Ghostraven: Beth Ghostraven, middle school teacher-librarian in RL and owner of the Book and Tankard Pub in Victoria City, Caledon in SL; unofficial liaison between education groups in SL. For information on events for the educational groups that I work with, see the ISTE VEN Massive Open Online Calendar at ; Twitter: @booklady9

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Tutor, ex college professor, give philosophy discussions in SL

Kali Pizzaro: Evelyn McElhinney, VWER director, Lecturer in Nursing, RN  Phd VWs health here at Glasgow Caledonian

Eli (eliana.zaytsev): Eliana, a pastor in RL, I helped facilitate a doctor of ministry group learning experience here in SL, which was through George Fox Evangelical Seminary

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Sheila Yoshikawa: So today is an open forum in which you can raise any question/theme to do with education. Has anyone got a question or theme? I’ve got one possible, but will wait a little to see if others are raised

Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): are 3D avatar worlds still disruptive?

Beth Ghostraven: disruptive how?

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Disruptive of what?

Marly (marly.milena): One thing I have been thinking about on the heels of watching this amazing Brain program on public TV is the relationship between intellect and emotions. How much do we need to pay attention to psychology and awareness of students to the part their feelings play in their decision making?

Sheila Yoshikawa: Hold that thought Marly – we will return to that after we have defined disruptive!

Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): or have they gone mainstream. Disruptive was a term bandied about years ago having to do with technology that upsets the status quo

Sheila Yoshikawa: yes, a lot of things have been labeled as disruptive e.g. MOOCs

Sheila Yoshikawa: we are considering whether 3D avatars are disruptive (in education)

Kali Pizzaro:

Sheila Yoshikawa: was that floating chair effect you being disruptive Kali or was I the only one that saw it?

Kali Pizzaro: ha who knows i had nothing to do with it

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): In that sense, they are still disruptive.  Less so now that 3d viewers are going mainstream, but Virtual Worlds are disrupting education and writing.

Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): LOL

Sheila Yoshikawa: I think that SL is still disruptive in the sense of challenging learners to think about what they are doing and why, and also challenging them to think what education is, but in terms of university administrations, they mostly seem bent on not being disrupted

Birdie Newcomb: I see their point

Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): I think 3D avatar worlds still have a lot of disruptive potential

Sheila Yoshikawa: I’m trying to find the article – it was about MOOCs and saying how they had been perceived as disruptive but universities had “tamed” them – pulled them into the university’s strategy for marketing, outreach etc.

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Anything new can be disruptive.

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Administrators and manager resist disruption. Anyone remember Kodak?

Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): whoa, Selby, Kodak – yes

Birdie Newcomb: colleges, at least when I went to school, were private gardens.

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): And there’s no group of people as conservative (small case ‘c’) as academics.

Marly (marly.milena): The disruption can take the form of addiction to virtuality

Sheila Yoshikawa: so if i was being cynical i might say that universities might aim to tame disruption and reject it if it can’t (“discuss”)

Kali Pizzaro: i think they are esp minecraft for example Jokay Massively minecraft

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly yes I have been disrupted by SL 😉

Kali Pizzaro:

Marly (marly.milena): Did you all see the feature film called SL101?

Kali Pizzaro: jokay tut

Birdie Newcomb: no, are we in it?

Beth Ghostraven: no, Marly, what/when was that?

Marly (marly.milena): Wait, I will try to get the link unless Selby knows it

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I don’t know link

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly no

Marly (marly.milena): Three different <case studies> of SL persons and their experiences

Birdie Newcomb: are we on the verge of being discovered?

Kali Pizzaro: i think sometimes higher education jumps on the buzzwords and concepts but often does not come up with the goods, often constrained by their own risk aversion

Sheila Yoshikawa: hopefully not all sex addicts

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): I think we’ve been on the verge of being discovered for at least five years now.

Sheila Yoshikawa: lol Rhiannon

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Kali but also by the risk aversion of the learners, who are investing a lot and don’t want extra risks on top of that

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, again, I don’t think there is a group of people more risk averse than academics, but what is the risk in virtuality?

Kali Pizzaro: sure but remember our students don’t pay for higher ed although still pay in time etc

Sheila Yoshikawa: actually I think if my uni did go in a big way for virtual worlds it WOULD be something disruptive, which is likely why it won’t happen….

Beth Ghostraven: emotional risk, risk of being wrong

Kali Pizzaro: academics don’t have time anymore to think

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Kali yes even when I was working in scotland I had students ask whether it was worth their time coming to a session

Kali Pizzaro: sometimes never mind take risks most do but in own time

Marly (marly.milena): It’s called Life 2.0, came out in 2010

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, you mitigate the risk of being wrong by thinking exactly like the senior professors in your department, so if they go along with it, then you will too.

Kali Pizzaro: and not particularly valued by the uni

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Rhiannon actually I don’t think they are ALL risk averse, what would you say Kali?

Sheila Yoshikawa: we don’t have tenure in the UK, that may make a difference?

Kali Pizzaro: indeed – sometimes it is a case of – proceed until apprehended, that is my motto 🙂

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Sheila, no, not all; but I recall what a friend of mine’s chair said of his book on the philosophy of Ayn Rand.  “I’ve heard of publish or perish, but in your case, it’s publish *and* perish.”

Marly (marly.milena):

Sheila Yoshikawa: lol

Sheila Yoshikawa: thanks Marly!

Kali Pizzaro: I think there are better Drax files now Marly although those films still have value

Marly (marly.milena): Lots of references, you may have to root around to find the full length films

Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): I like the idea of investment, investment of time in 3D avatar worlds, and all the associated technologies one needs to be, build, design, connect and render.

Kali Pizzaro: my issue has been tech support often, or just misunderstanding of VWs, but i hope to change that with my Phd findings 🙂

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): How can we make virtual worlds less risky for academics?

Kali Pizzaro: i don’t think they are risky

Birdie Newcomb: I would think tech support would be happy to have more to do

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Creative collaboration means you don’t have to know how to do everything

Kali Pizzaro: like most tech they take time to learn and that often is an issue

Kali Pizzaro: absolutely Thinkerer

Marly (marly.milena): Who has done a survey or interviews with students of different ages and how they feel about virtual 3D venues  for education?

Sheila Yoshikawa: yes re time – there is an expectation you should be able to pick something up quickly, like an app that only does one thing

Beth Ghostraven: Birdie, except that tech support for education is often underpaid and understaffed

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Kali Pizzaro: plus often uni want a tool that is mass productive – all students use – instead of what is suitable for the learning experience – and they want to measure everything –

Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): the tech world is always changing

Beth Ghostraven: Marly, good point–one of my teachers commented yesterday that she doesn’t think VWs are developmentally appropriate for pre-teens

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly not a specific survey, but we have evaluation forms every time we run a module, so I had (anonymised) comments from all my classes – also there have been various research studies

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): One skilled educator can teach a thousand students

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): They are if there’s a lot of violence in them.  lol

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Beth why???????

Beth Ghostraven: she feels they need to be interacting in the physical world instead

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): It’s not an either/or, though, Beth.

Sheila Yoshikawa: I would have thought they were very appropriate in helping them explore their developing selves

Beth Ghostraven: exactly, Rhiannon; I offered to show her some of the creative things my students built in Minecraft, maybe that will help her understand

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): put a lot of skilled instructors together and you can replace hundreds of deans

Kali Pizzaro: However Rhiannon there is lots of violence in the world but it does not mean we dont take students into it……..

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Beth yes we had quite a lot of those on the play MOOC, I think it is a false distinction

Kali Pizzaro: you can shut down areas or not go to those areas

Marly (marly.milena): Isn’t it a matter of balance?  I would hate to see all education taking place through technology.  There are so many more skills and abilities to observe and respond which need the physical realm

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Thinkerer hmmm, but when they are surveyed learners regularly say they want MORE contact time with living beings, not less

Beth Ghostraven: She wasn’t even concerned (or maybe not even aware) of the potential dangers of open grids for kids

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Kali, I was partly facetious, making a reference to how 10 year olds play a lot of “violent” computer games, but they learn things like how to stick up for yourself, teamwork, right vs. wrong in so doing; I do think, properly used, it is not age inappropriate at all to have kids inn VW’s.

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly, Beth etc. agree balance

Beth Ghostraven: yes, balance is the key

Beth Ghostraven: I’ve heard a lot of teachers express concern for how much screen time kids are getting lately, like 12 hours a day

Kali Pizzaro: Sure @Rhiannon 🙂 @ Marly exactly, this is one tool in our toolkit or portfolio, that is what i say

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, how is it not being involved with human beings to be involved with them in a virtual setting?

Beth Ghostraven: yes, Rhiannon, true

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Rhiannon yes research on various skills/knowledge/attitudes learned

Kali Pizzaro: exactly do you not feel you are here with people…..? 🙂

Kali Pizzaro: i do  🙂

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): I think your friend’s reaction is an example of the conservative nature of educators–we’ve never done it this way before so there must be something wrong with it.

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Rhiannon some people do think like that – that if it’s virtual it is not actually real or social

Beth Ghostraven: I *am* here with people–friends, even!

Marly (marly.milena): But you can’t learn to read the subtleties of body language, gesture, facial expression, etc. in virtual.

Beth Ghostraven: that’s like saying you’re not interacting with someone if you’re just talking on the phone instead of in person

Sheila Yoshikawa: each has its own ways

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Humans can be teaching assistants and fellow students — Don’t have to be skilled educators if Skilled educators work out the plans

Sheila Yoshikawa: I mean you have to learn to be socially aware here, just as in physical world

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Sheila, yes, but that’s just one way of relating to a VW; I”m not saying there shouldn’t be guidance, in fact, since kids are going to do it anyway, having it in the classroom might be a way to give this guidance.

Marly (marly.milena): Here,we have to rely on words, voices, activities.  Just part of the picture

Kali Pizzaro: @ Marly although you can’t do this in a text based environment and if i turned up dishevelled to show my annoyance or frustration at something you would notice

Sheila Yoshikawa: I think it takes a good deal of skill to e.g. intervene as a tutor/facilitator with MOOC comments (we do employ teaching assistants for that at Sheffield)

Birdie Newcomb: “disheveled” – I hadn’t seen that on sale here…

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I think an educational designer is one who designs learning experience.

Marly (marly.milena): And who could stand through a table out there?  LOL

Kali Pizzaro: lol

Kali Pizzaro: hehe

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Kali Pizzaro: @birdie ha

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Thinkerer indeed

Kali Pizzaro: we still have social norms here or we create our own

Kali Pizzaro: but back to learning

Kali Pizzaro: this is not for everyone just like facebook is not for everyone

Kali Pizzaro: or…. or…….or……or………..

Kali Pizzaro: 🙂

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): And the social norms here are like a variation on social norms elsewhere in the world; I feel SL is different than FL, but in the way that Scotland is different than California.

Kali Pizzaro: which is fantastic 🙂

Marly (marly.milena): Can we tie in this discussion with my earlier query? ie the balance between emotional and intellectual learning, how they work together, and how this is affected by virtual

Sheila Yoshikawa: Actually I feel I am developing a warmer relationship with our new distance learning students (not using SL btw) than with the F2F ones: that may say something dreadful about me

Sheila Yoshikawa: Yes Marly! great segue!

Beth Ghostraven: Sheila, how are you interacting with your distance learners?

Kali Pizzaro: indeed @Sheila because you are building social capital – respect, reciprocity , trust – engagement

Sheila Yoshikawa: I think I feel less vulnerable in virtual learning somehow, which conversely encourages me to be more open and take more risks

Kali Pizzaro: ?

Kali Pizzaro: 🙂

Kali Pizzaro: like you do here?

Marly (marly.milena): My personal experience here is that I do not have as complete a collaborative experience on projects here as I do out there.  Something about the moment to moment nuances of expression, problem solving, decision making etc

Kali Pizzaro: and that is because of the method?

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): I collaborate more in virtual settings than in physical ones, personally.

Kali Pizzaro: me both

Birdie Newcomb: me too

Birdie Newcomb: sorry, me three

Kali Pizzaro: but lots of research to say exactly as you do Rhiannon and sheila

Sheila Yoshikawa: Interesting @Marly – actually I would say I have developed some warm collaborations here, but also in the physical world – sort of depends how the other people like to work ….

Marly (marly.milena): And, by extension, it is more difficult to develop deep friendships with trusted colleagues here,, even when we spend a lot of time working on teaching/learning projects

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly so I would disagree with that

Kali Pizzaro: mmm i don’t necessarily agree

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I am pretty much housebound — any collaboration I do is online some way

Sheila Yoshikawa: I have developed deep trust I think with some people here

Kali Pizzaro: and not borne out in my research

Marly (marly.milena): Well, this is my personal experience and we are different strokes for different folks people

Kali Pizzaro: absolutely, Marly, and again thankfully or the world would be very boring

Marly (marly.milena): I am naturally affectionate, tend to touch shoulders,hands, for emphasis. Can’t do that here.

Kali Pizzaro: awwwww

Sheila Yoshikawa: indeed

Kali Pizzaro: i feel your hugs 🙂

Marly (marly.milena): NObody would know that about me unless I told you

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Get yourself a hug HUD, Marly – I can spontaneously click on it, then, of course, wait to see if the other person accepts it.  Yes, it is more digital here, kinesthetics are at a disadvantage over digitals and visuals.

Sheila Yoshikawa: So Marly have you an explanation or hypothesis why it is like that for you?

Marly (marly.milena): I have one. Very awkward.  Not the same as spontaneous expression in the moment, eh?

Kali Pizzaro: oops too close :0

Sheila Yoshikawa: ah interesting Marly – whereas I am not very touchy

Sheila Yoshikawa: actually as an educator one is NOT encouraged to do touching, like in case it is seen as inappropriate by students

Marly (marly.milena): Yes, it may have to do with our natural styles of expression

Beth Ghostraven: yeah, not in K-12; too risky for teachers

Sheila Yoshikawa: also in the UK as regards children it has actually got a paranoia about men not touching children

Marly (marly.milena): Still, a smile, a pat on the shoulder, is ok at any age

Kali Pizzaro: 🙂

Kali Pizzaro: sends Marly a big hug and smile

Marly (marly.milena): I can try to convey my warmth etc but it is more difficult here

Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): there is also haptic feedback, the sense of touch is possible in SL. The technology will change

Beth Ghostraven: Emoting can help with that, a little, but you need to be a fairly skilled writer for it to be effective

Sheila Yoshikawa: interesting! so I think I convey through my voice and words a lot, rather than touch

Marly (marly.milena): I can also assume an air of <professionalism> when called for but the subtleties of the differences are hard to convey

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I think voice can carry a lot of feeling, but not typing

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Texting can convey feeling.

Sheila Yoshikawa: and I do like clothes a lot, in both worlds, I like having my own style which obviously can do in both worlds – that also relates to your professionalism thing, Marly

Beth Ghostraven: in fact, typing can be easily misunderstood

Kali Pizzaro: the use of emoticons can help

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): And if you’re sensitive to energy fields, you can even tell the emotional states of the little dots on the map; I could tell once when one disappeared in anger.

Marly (marly.milena): I might misinterpret someone’s cut-and-dried form of expression here for coldness when the person is not actually cold!

Beth Ghostraven: Rhiannon, that makes sense to me

Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): these are all shortcuts for not actually being in the same room together. Imagine the jet fuel. There are always pros and cons. It’s not an eithe/or situation. Think of the virtual as augmenting traditional education.

Kali Pizzaro: i think that is true in any text but I think the avatar negates some of that

Eli (eliana.zaytsev): @beth, speaking can easily be misunderstood also

Beth Ghostraven: Kali true

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly but that also happens interculturally e.g. it is a stereotype but has some truth that Finnish people aren’t so chatty, Germans can be quite brusque etc etc

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Your avatar is a basic way of expressing and communicating here. Your AO, the gestures you use

Beth Ghostraven: we can all work to communicate emotion more effectively in virtual worlds, learning new techniques

Marly (marly.milena): and let’s not leave out British reserve!   Hahaha

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly, no, I almost said “I’m a cold Brit who doesn’t touch people much ” haha

Marly (marly.milena): Hahaha

Beth Ghostraven: lol Sheila

Kali Pizzaro: @Marly I am scottish you are bound to be hugged

Kali Pizzaro: 🙂

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Scots hug a lot?

Sheila Yoshikawa: but the stereotype is true, you observe people keeping their space even if crammed together on the underground, people keep their eyes and hands to themselves, so to speak

Marly (marly.milena): Kali, what comes through is your light sense of humor, very easy to pick up

Kali Pizzaro: we don’t go for the stiff upper lip, we are Celts 🙂

Kali Pizzaro: we like to think we are witty

Kali Pizzaro: ha

Beth Ghostraven: oh, you are!

Sheila Yoshikawa: ;-))

Kali Pizzaro: 🙂

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Do you paint yourselves blue, and lift up your skirts before going into battle still

Marly (marly.milena): Interesting to think about the effects of cultural differences vs individual personalities

Kali Pizzaro: I am a right cold fish in the physical world ain’t that right Sheila

Kali Pizzaro: @Rhiannon na that was just for hollywood

Sheila Yoshikawa: I think I may have seen one or two people lifting up their skirts when I lived in Glasgow

Beth Ghostraven: hahaha

Kali Pizzaro: on a friday night

Sheila Yoshikawa: lol Kali

Sheila Yoshikawa: indeed

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): lol

Kali Pizzaro: 🙂

Kali Pizzaro: sorry got carried away there, carry on Sheila

Sheila Yoshikawa: so have we explored the intellectual/emotional to our satisfaction?

Marly (marly.milena): Never! 😛

Marly (marly.milena): LOL

Marly (marly.milena): Some of us have been meeting here for a long time; do we think we really know each other beyond our views about education?

Sheila Yoshikawa: well, I think I know some of the people here better than I know some of my colleagues at work in the iSchool

Kali Pizzaro: many yes; many of us speak out with this forum, and have met in the physical world

Sheila Yoshikawa: I dunno, I don’t tend to ask people about their personal lives unless they want to tell me–so another aspect of cold fish Sheila lol

Kali Pizzaro: Iggy and his wife stayed with me last year 🙂

Marly (marly.milena): Do come for a visit (and a guest room) if you ever come to New England! Would love to meet some of you in person. When I have met people from SL in the past,it has always been a great experience!

Beth Ghostraven: Thank you, Marly, that’s a wonderful offer!

Kali Pizzaro: so do we tell everyone the same things in the physical world or do we have multiple identities – social, work, wife, mother, father etc etc

Sheila Yoshikawa: 😉

Beth Ghostraven: multiple identities, sharing different things with different people, dressing differently for different occasions

Sheila Yoshikawa: I have enjoyed meeting everyone I know from SL, when I saw them outside it (up til now haha!)

Kali Pizzaro: 🙂

Kali Pizzaro: exactly

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): People have and enact multiple roles — well established in sociology

Marly (marly.milena): As an educator, I bring a lot of my personal qualities (ie humor, creativity, warmth, excitement, etc) and make an attempt to not bracket off these aspects as <unprofessional>.

Kali Pizzaro: @Marly absolutely, love meeting folks @Selby exactly; and interestingly much transfers here and vice versa 🙂

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): I find that to do that, have humor, creativity, warmth, etc., I have to do it as a tutor; too many rules and restrictions in the classroom, even at the university level, but definitely at the college or K-12 level.

Beth Ghostraven: when I meet someone from SL for the first time in RL, it’s awkward until we start talking, then it’s apparent that we already know each other well

Marly (marly.milena): It is a way to  be a role model for students, being as <whole> a person as possible

Kali Pizzaro: nods yep i tell my students we might as well have fun while we learn this serious stuff (health) but……just don’t tell anyone 🙂

Beth Ghostraven: Studies show (I think) that students learn best from someone they think cares about them

Kali Pizzaro: this is their aim, not the academic or professional award …… hehe

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): I don’t meet people from SL to often, but when I do, they invariably go, “You’re as big here as in SL.”  The conversation then moves up or down hill from there.

Sheila Yoshikawa: Ahem so rather than moderating I have just be setting up some fireworks and a bonfire with a guy as in the UK it is BONFIRE NIGHT! This celebrates the fact that a group of people FAILED to blow up the houses of parliament a few hundred years ago, led by Guy Fawkes, so traditionally you have fireworks and burn a Guy

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): oh, right; it’s Guy Fawkes’ Day isn’t it?  Celebrating the attempt to blow up Parliament.

Beth Ghostraven: Sheila, BEWM!!!

Kali Pizzaro: 🙂 hehe, we love our scoundrels

Kali Pizzaro: yah *boom*

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Sheila Yoshikawa: I can hear people doing fireworks outside in Sheffield, but it must be said it is a dreich night for it

Kali Pizzaro: me too–yep pouring

Beth Ghostraven: a dreich night?

Kali Pizzaro: great if you set to midnight

Eli (eliana.zaytsev): wet?

Kali Pizzaro: set another please

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): That’s German right.  The English would be dempire?

Kali Pizzaro: eh yeah lol

Sheila Yoshikawa: miserable damp dreary; it’s Scottish at least that is where I picked it up, might be spelling it wrongly

Marly (marly.milena): OKie dokie.  We’re done….I have just had double eye cataract surgery.Gotta go out and see those leaves!

Kali Pizzaro: here is a wee laugh

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): I denna ken.

Kali Pizzaro: ha

Sheila Yoshikawa: yes should have asked how it went Marly, hopefully OK

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): TC, Marly

Kali Pizzaro: yeah are you a pirate

Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): ok folks, back to working the pixels for me.

Marly (marly.milena): 20/20!

Kali Pizzaro: or no eye patches theses days

Rhiannon Oset (rhiannon.dragoone): Yep, drezzle, drazzle, drazzle, drome, time for this girl to go home.

Sheila Yoshikawa: So next week we discuss VWBPE,: the conference–looking forward to virtually hugging everyone next week!


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