December 3, 2015: Open Simulator Community Conference 2015

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Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable: December 3, 2015

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Topic: Open Simulator Community Conference 2015

Photos by Beth Ghostraven

Kali Pizzaro: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable. We meet Thursday 11:30am SLT for an hour. 7:30pm In UK, 2:30pm est VWER is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education. This is public meeting, so we will be keeping and publishing a transcript. The transcripts can be found at Please join the VWER group here in SL. If you are on Facebook, or Google+ please join our group there. Also find and post pictures to our Flickr group, Facebook or Google+ and follow us on Twitter @VWER.

Kali Pizzaro: This week’s theme is For the Discussion OpenSim conference on this weekend  – let’s start as we usually do and introduce ourselves, Evelyn McElhinney, RN, Lecturer, Glasgow Caledonian University, VWER Director

Kali Pizzaro: so don’t be shy 🙂

TheProfessor Wycliffe: Walt Chesbro, Instructor  Santa Rosa Junior College; SRJC is in Sonoma County, California

Sheila Yoshikawa: I teach and research in the Information School, University of Sheffield, UK

Kali Pizzaro:

Birdie Newcomb: Birdie Newborn, reconfiguring my life…

Serene Jewell: Kathleen Watkins, virtual worlds explorer, writer, builder.

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Selby Evans, Blogger

Wisdomseeker (lissena): Lynne Berrett, owner of Inspiration Island, Director of Ageless Mind Project

Sheila Yoshikawa is also trying to gulp down her supper

Fauve Aeon: Fauve Aeon freelance podcaster and blogger, VW enthusiast, I want to start reporting on more VW topics like this. 🙂 Hello everyone. ((fighting off friendly cats today))

Sheila Yoshikawa: great Fauve

Beth Ghostraven: Hi Fauve!

Fauve Aeon waves, waves 😀

Beth Ghostraven: Fauve is my neighbor in Caledon

Beth Ghostraven: Beth Ghostraven, middle school teacher-librarian in RL and owner of the Book and Tankard Pub in Victoria City, Caledon in SL; unofficial liaison between education groups in SL. For information on events for the educational groups that I work with, see the ISTE VEN Massive Open Online Calendar at ; Twitter: @booklady9

I’ll be taking photos to publish with the transcript; if you have any objection, please IM me.

Kali Pizzaro: ok so we are discussing the Opensim conference which is on this week

Kali Pizzaro: schedule link above 🙂

Kali Pizzaro: so firstly who is going?

Kali Pizzaro: possibly me

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I am going

Beth Ghostraven: I’m hoping to get to a little of it; will be on the road to the VSTE conference in RL that day

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I may blog about it

Wisdomseeker (lissena): me

Sheila Yoshikawa: not sure, might do, but so many things to do this weekend

Birdie Newcomb: remind me — going where — oh, OpenSim?

Wisdomseeker (lissena): first time I am not presenting –because I want to be able to listen to others for a change

Kali Pizzaro: so if you have looked at the schedule has anything particularly caught your eye?

Wisdomseeker (lissena): looking furtively at schedule

Beth Ghostraven: This is the schedule:

Beth Ghostraven: hopefully you can see it even if you’re not registered

Sheila Yoshikawa: do you have to register to attend?

Wisdomseeker (lissena): yes, so far as I know

Beth Ghostraven: it’s free

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Avatar Repertory Theater is the longest surviving live theater performance group in virtual worlds, since 2008. We have 200 performances under our virtual belts, ranging from full immersive stagings, such as Shakespeare’s “The Tempest”, Sophocles “Oedipus Rex” and “Alice in Wonderland”, to small workshops and original plays. Our small, tightly-knit troupe consists of professional and community theater performers, programmers, sound engineers, avatar and theater designers, and playwrights. A few of us will talk about what we do and present a theatrical adaptation demonstrating some of the technical considerations of producing this ancient art in a fascinating new media.

Fauve Aeon: I’ll be testing my connection on the road between RL events this weekend but watching recorded bits as they get posted as well, as completely as I can afterwards.

Kali Pizzaro: that looks great Thinkerer and I like the look of this A series of presentations by practicing educators featuring projects using NPCs and the spatial environment in OpenSimulator for interactive and contextual immersive learning. Scenarios include: students tracking down the mechanism of disease communication; contextually understanding the social, environmental and economic factors that impact health; and creating narrative environments for historical or literary lessons.

Sheila Yoshikawa: yes the theatre one sounds interesting, Selby

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Techland is a hypergrid enabled grid focused on math, statistical science, biology, chemistry and earth science. Educational contents are set as 3D scripted objects, like a 3D paragraph in a 3D immersive book, Student target: 11-14 years old (middle school). URL I may blog about Techland

Kali Pizzaro: yes saw that too, interesting; the health ones catch my eye 🙂

Kali Pizzaro: Come visit London’s Soho District from 1854 to track down the source of a cholera outbreak. This educational activity provides the experience of John Snow’s efforts to prove to the medical community that water enabled the spread of disease. Contagion theory was mostly dismissed by the medical community at the time in favor of miasma theory which held that air was the mechanism of transmission. This activity is used for an Honors Biology course at Ball State University. Developed by Stephen Xootfly who teaches the course and Kim Anubis of The Magicians. They will be on hand to guide visitors through the build and answer questions.

Wisdomseeker (lissena): This is a chance to “go backstage” on a game-based sim with Ann Cudworth, author of “Virtual World Design”, and the soon to be published “Extending Virtual World Design”. These 4 regions were built on the Kitely grid, to provide the book development team with content to make illustrations from. It is also the content that will be given out with “Extending Virtual World Design” when the book is published. Ann will take 15-20 people on a tour and explain how the design concepts were created, and how her team worked together to make it all work. She will also explain how these regions can be used as a template for designing learning games in the classroom.

Beth Ghostraven: I shared the press release with you all; helpful links at the end

Wisdomseeker (lissena): ty Beth, I always forget how to get there

Beth Ghostraven: yw!

Kali Pizzaro: mmmm this looks really great I need to try to get to this

Beth Ghostraven: The sessions will be recorded, so if you don’t make it you can watch later

Kali Pizzaro: so how many folks tend to attend does anyone know

Kali Pizzaro: great thanks Beth

Beth Ghostraven: it’s good to be able to participate and ask questions too

Kali Pizzaro: absolutely; I prefer to be there

Wisdomseeker (lissena): I think there is a limit, Kali–

Beth Ghostraven: Rhiannon Chatnoir, the organizer of the conference, will be here in a few minutes

Birdie Newcomb: I can barely make it to SL

Wisdomseeker (lissena): they always do a load bearing test before

Sheila Yoshikawa: They say “We hope to be able to accommodate over 350 users in total, a figure which includes speakers, sponsors and staff. “

Sheila Yoshikawa: They say they are limiting registrations, though that will be a tricky one, always more people register for a free event than turn up

Wisdomseeker (lissena): Hypergridding seems to be getting easier, isn’t that so, Selby?

Kali Pizzaro: great so Rhiannon can maybe answer some of these Qs

Serene Jewell: You can hypergrid in or you can also set up a new avatar on the Avacon site.  I like hypergridding, but tend to use the local avatar because it’s easier on their servers.

Wisdomseeker (lissena): good to know, Serene; so I will go from Avacon

Kali Pizzaro: ah right so how do you get the local avatar

Beth Ghostraven: register and ask for one, Kali

Fauve Aeon: I have not tried hypergridding in from Kitely but all my avi stuff can go so…guess I will test it 🙂

Beth Ghostraven: It’s important to note – if you are using an AvaCon avatar you are hypergridding, NOT using a local avatar. A local avatar is an OSCC one.

Wisdomseeker (lissena): ah

Beth Ghostraven: either one works

Wisdomseeker (lissena): ty Beth

Serene Jewell: Oops sorry, I meant an OSCC one.

Sheila Yoshikawa: I can’t remember what avatars i do and don’t have

Wisdomseeker (lissena): somehow I thought the conference was on Avacon

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): right Wis — travelling on the hypergrid works quite well if you have the address

Sheila Yoshikawa: I sign up for things, play briefly and then forget, too often

Kali Pizzaro: Here is Rhiannon

Kali Pizzaro: do you keep the same name Sheila

Beth Ghostraven: Hi Rhiannon!

Beth Ghostraven: Liss, AvaCon is the conference organizer, but it’s on a different grid

Kali Pizzaro: Hi Rhiannon welcome

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I could easily go HG from Kitely last year — expect to do that this year

Wisdomseeker (lissena): you know what I like most about Opensim?  I can have 2 names there, not just Lissena Resident   🙂

Fauve Aeon: good to hear, ThinkererSelby; I keep Fauve Aeon everywhere I can 🙂

Rhiannon Chatnoir: hi all!

Ravelli Ormstein: Hello Rhiannon

Greg Prumier: hello Rhiannon

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I regularly go from Kitely to various HG places

Kali Pizzaro: so we have touched on the schedule and interesting talks and now how to access and what avatar we should use – so any advice on which avatar to use and how to get to the venue, @Rhiannon. So, any advice on which avatar to use and how to get to the venue?

Rhiannon Chatnoir: well if you have a local account from any of the prior OSCC’s that will also still work. And we are still making local accounts for those who need them, but hypergridding in is good too. I know there have been some newer code changes and OSgrid has had a few hiccups hypergridding yesterday. When in doubt, register and ask for the local account; you can always use if the HG one for some reason does not

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Serene Jewell: I have Serene Jewell on most of the grids. But I registered an OSCC version on the theory that local avatars are easier on the server than hypergridding ones.server than hypergridding ones.

Beth Ghostraven: can people go ahead and try getting to the OSCC grid, Rhiannon?

Rhiannon Chatnoir: OH! and that is important too.. make sure your inventory loads fully on the avatar you are going to be hypergridding from before you make that jump; that helps with those errors too

Serene Jewell: Schedule looks great by the way. You are fitting a lot into the conference.

Rhiannon Chatnoir: yes, it is open publicly now

Rhiannon Chatnoir: yeah Serene, it will be a long day, but should be nice cross pollination since only one thread

Kali Pizzaro: yeah nice few health ones – I will try to attend

Rhiannon Chatnoir: and then Sunday is the Hypergrid Tour and all fht resources and help for folks.. so I would say also go to that to get your feet wet and understanding hypergridding if you haven’t

Kali Pizzaro: nice

Kali Pizzaro: I am putting you on the spot is there a particular session caught your eye @Rhiannon?

Kali Pizzaro: 😉

Rhiannon Chatnoir: lol

Rhiannon Chatnoir: well of course I like them all…. 😛

Kali Pizzaro: ;-P

Beth Ghostraven: you’re asking her to tell who her fav child is, lol

Rhiannon Chatnoir: yeah

Kali Pizzaro: lol

Rhiannon Chatnoir: but, I am looking forward to the later ones on NPCs since I am not as familiar on working with those and think they could lend lots of interactive capability to a project

Kali Pizzaro: yeah that caught my eye

Kali Pizzaro: how long does it take to plan a conference like this

Rhiannon Chatnoir: also, Casias Falta’s presentation on taking OpenSImulator/SL content and porting it to Unity to use with things like Google Cardboard look great too, again ‘cause I personally am interested in playing with that

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): If you don’t know about NPCs, you want to find out.  They have great potential.

Kali Pizzaro: that sounds really interesting and inventive

Rhiannon Chatnoir: yes, we had some simple chat bots in some of the Global Kids work I was part of years back.. they can lend nice learning interaction

Wisdomseeker (lissena): why, Selby?

Kali Pizzaro: yea i had one too but was a wee bit stilted, but still useful

Rhiannon Chatnoir: and.. as for the SL/OpenSimulator to Google Cardboard.. I still have the link up from the white paper Casias has put together on it … might be of interest to you all, so bookmark that too 🙂

Kali Pizzaro: great thanks

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): If you make movies — NPCs can stand in for your actors.  If you make scenes, NPCs can be your characters

Kali Pizzaro: so a hybrid of people and NPCs Selby

Kali Pizzaro: is that a bit like never work with kids or animals and NPCs 😉

Wisdomseeker (lissena): lol

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): You can automate NPCs to do practically anything

Kali Pizzaro: nods

Kali Pizzaro: are they pandora bots or?

Kali Pizzaro: pretending I know what I am talking about here 😛

Kali Pizzaro: how do you acquire them – buy them?

Sheila Yoshikawa: I think you can

Rhiannon Chatnoir: you can make learning environments where you come across an NPC avatar that is scripted to interact to further your story or lesson, or give clues, or objects, etc

Serene Jewell: NPCs are nonplayer characters that can look like any avatar. They can be programmed to move, speak, attack, guide, and they are very good listeners. 🙂

Sheila Yoshikawa:

Kali Pizzaro: yeah Rachel did that

Rhiannon Chatnoir: yes they are basically just like us on the outside, but instead of a human moving it, it has scripting functions that make it move, or respond via typing, etc

Kali Pizzaro: not that great at answering sometimes

Sheila Yoshikawa: yes I think you have used them Kali, no?

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): How to make dancing cows  and other tales of the NPCs

Serene Jewell: NPCs are different on OpenSim than in SL.  More powerful and easier to program with the new OpenSim tools.  Pandorabots are chatbots that can have conversations as I understand it.

Kali Pizzaro: sensibly although you could say that about us – yes Sheila

Sheila Yoshikawa: lol Kali

Kali Pizzaro: ah right nods

Kali Pizzaro: thanks Serene

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Ravelli Ormstein: in OpenSim they are user accounts, like any other avatar, one can login with they name, but one can also call and control via script

Sheila Yoshikawa: interesting that easier in Opensim

Rhiannon Chatnoir: there are versions of NPCs here in SL, but it is tougher to do ‘cause you need instances of the viewer running them to power them here in SL.. but in OpenSim, you can directly sort with the server to start up those NPC bots and not need you running another version of the viewer to have them up

Kali Pizzaro: ah excellent

Serene Jewell: We did a project on OpenSim in October where 20 some writers and builders got together and created a 9-region story.  We used lots of NPCs in it.  I’ll get a link.

Rhiannon Chatnoir: yes

Sheila Yoshikawa: fun!

Kali Pizzaro: brilliant sounds great

Rhiannon Chatnoir: so the two presentations on NPCs that will be at OSCC, the first with Nara and Ferd is an overview of them, and setup/use.. and then there is a special hour long presentation with 3 groups of educators that have used them in various ways

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): The OpenSim scripting language has special functions supporting the use of NPCs

Serene Jewell: Here’s a description of the Immersive Edge story.

Rhiannon Chatnoir: for either health edu, or biology, or literature

Fauve Aeon: I would like to see that, one of the first fascinating things I saw at SL here was the ecosystem at Svarga, the plants, weather, bees and bats

Rhiannon Chatnoir: am sure Nara will talk on that.. there are a couple of avatars in their booth from it I think

Fauve Aeon: I would like to learn more about how to do something similar 🙂

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I got a NPC make from Nara — found it very easy to use — But know that  you need to be on land you own or manage — otherwise, it does not work

Fauve Aeon: we have set up a couple of sim blocks in Kitely

Serene Jewell: The “Evening with William Butler Yeats” presentation is Ruby Odegee’s use of a Yeats NPC to teach about his life I think.

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): My Dancing Cows article has links to tutorials

Rhiannon Chatnoir: and yes Svarga was amazing

Rhiannon Chatnoir smiles thinking of dancing cows

Rhiannon Chatnoir: oh, I would also like to invite any of you who might want to present on your work or relevant use of tech at an NPC meeting in the coming year

Kali Pizzaro: thanks

Rhiannon Chatnoir: and NPC = Nonprofit Commons.. sorry for using abbreviations 😛

Kali Pizzaro: I will talk to you about presenting my PhD after VAI or Gentle and iSkye  will lynch me

Fauve Aeon: hehe, I was all like…. (laughs)

Serene Jewell: That’s NPC Nonprofit Commons, not NPC Nonplayer character, right?

Kali Pizzaro: 🙂

Rhiannon Chatnoir: lol thats fine.. the good thing about weekly meetings is there is always open slots coming up

Rhiannon Chatnoir: lol yes Serene

Fauve Aeon: I’m gathering ‘first impressions’ of newbies to virtual worlds, firsthand, so that will become a paper at some point…

Kali Pizzaro: so we have discussed the way to get to the conf, using the grid avatar, and some of the interesting presentations that have caught your eye

Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): Could I possibly add something about being new in SL ?

Beth Ghostraven: oh good, Fauve, that sounds interesting!

Kali Pizzaro: Excellent Fauve that will be important work

Kali Pizzaro: of Course Georgi

Serene Jewell: yes, sounds like a great project.

Rhiannon Chatnoir: if you are looking for older examples, and from youth.. we had a lot of the youth we worked with throughout the Global Kids projects on their thoughts/experiences in world.. let me grab that url

Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): I joined SL back in 2010 and have found it extremely difficult as a new person it was not easy and learning the viewer and dressing myself etc … then having to put up with griefing people and scammers it kind of left a bad taste about SL for me

Rhiannon Chatnoir:

Rhiannon Chatnoir: we also put together a Second Life curriculum, though hasn’t been updated in awhile.. let me grab that URL too

Birdie Newcomb: @duchess Glad you came back.

Beth Ghostraven: I didn’t have the griefers, but also had a very hard time getting used to SL

Serene Jewell: That’s so unfortunate, Georgi. First contact inworld really does make a big difference to people’s impression of the place.

Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): thanks Birdie I was tempted not to after a lot of horrible things that happened

Wisdomseeker (lissena): could we have a meeting sometimes about ways to make it easier, simpler?

Rhiannon Chatnoir: was for the Global Kids curriculum to teach new users to SL

Rhiannon Chatnoir: we did release it under a creative commons, so it can be revised by others

Birdie Newcomb: My worst was being trapped. But switch off, switch on, and I was out.

Beth Ghostraven: great, Rhi, very useful!

Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): I had to put up with what I call “serious game players” who basically get a kick out of sussing people out and hurting them a couple of clubs and vampire cans seem to be rife with these types of people; and I do fear for new people and how they will react to this if they are not used to being on line

Fauve Aeon: thank you. ((saves more links))

Rhiannon Chatnoir: thanks Beth, I have the word copies of that doc too if ever needed. I was the editor of it

Wisdomseeker (lissena): I am designing a professional development course to bring more people into SL and looking for best ways to do that, under Letty Luckstone’s guidance

Beth Ghostraven: great, Rhi, thanks!

Fauve Aeon: I am interested in the breakaway point, the denouement, what makes people ultimately stay or go, if it is an event and not just a gradual fading of interest.

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I am working on a project to make a Hypergrid welcoming center — maybe replicable place and some web content, Ideally with people most of the time.  I will pick up any info I can use.

Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): I am actually thinking of setting up a group where it helps new people with life skills as I have found a lot of people in SL do not have this ability and I would like to bring that to them

Birdie Newcomb: Good, Lissena. SL doesn’t do a good job with newbies, but many sites are welcoming.

Kali Pizzaro: That is a shame Georgi hopefully you have found good places to go now with good people – like any ‘world’ there are not so great folks and fab folks like this group and many of the groups these people represent

Rhiannon Chatnoir: Lissena, some of that might be useful to you too.. let me know

Wisdomseeker (lissena): I grabbed your stuff, Rhi

Birdie Newcomb: I got my footing by “owning” a bit of property, and then could build and experiment

Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): It has taken over 5 years to get to this point to meet good people but Kali I feel it should not have taken such a long time and I feel that I should not have gone through the horrific tests that I have had to put up with

Kali Pizzaro: My PhD found that people had a very different experience to you Georgi many positive assets that helped them live and cope with their long term conditions in the physical world

Kali Pizzaro: nods

Kali Pizzaro: I think it might be a bit easier now to find the kinds of event that interest you

Beth Ghostraven: Georgi, if you’d like to, send me a friend request

Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): then that is very good Kali

Beth Ghostraven: anyone else, too, for that matter

Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): yes sure Beth thank you. I have found SL a very horrible place I am sorry to say but I think as a user you need to know this. It’s not all a bed of roses out there trust me

Kali Pizzaro: we have been here since 2008; absolutely it is not a utopia

Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): it sure isn’t

Kali Pizzaro: like any world

Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): if you knew what I have had to endure I am sure you would understand 🙂

Rhiannon Chatnoir: I had a weird bug in the SL viewer in the early days of me using SL that didn’t allow me to launch the application directly, but instead going through the event listing they used to have online was the only way to launch it.. granted this was Jan 2005… and that I think gave me a nice launch in since there was always people and something going on and I could pick events of topical interest.. made it stickier for me I think

Kali Pizzaro: sometimes you need to find the right folks – sure nods, well we hope you find us a positive and supportive  bunch

Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): yes Kali that is true but not all people can find that supportive bunch of people

Kali Pizzaro: yes the search is something that came up in my health literacy research

Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): you have to be open to understanding this

Fauve Aeon: Much like life, I find it depends a lot on similar variables with a sprinkling of the usual nonsense anon brings…but the immensity of scope and opportunities for interaction and creativity are all-encompassing so it balances for me.

Kali Pizzaro: absolutely Georgi I am agreeing

Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): thank you 🙂

Kali Pizzaro: ok folks we are finished for this week

Wisdomseeker (lissena): Thanks Kali

Kali Pizzaro: thank you all for your participation and Rhiannon for popping in and answering our Qs

Rhiannon Chatnoir: sure

Rhiannon Chatnoir: and Friday mornings as usual I host the Nonprofit Commons in Sl meetings, so that is another group too of good folks Duchess; overlap between some of the people here; for info on that group

Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): thank you Rhiannon

Kali Pizzaro: yep and virtual ability

Fauve Aeon: thank you for having me, very interesting, I’ve been telling Beth that I have been meaning to attend 🙂


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