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Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable: December 3, 2015
Topic: Open Simulator Community Conference 2015
Photos by Beth Ghostraven
Kali Pizzaro: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable. We meet Thursday 11:30am SLT for an hour. 7:30pm In UK, 2:30pm est VWER is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education. This is public meeting, so we will be keeping and publishing a transcript. The transcripts can be found at http://www.vwer.org. Please join the VWER group here in SL. If you are on Facebook, or Google+ please join our group there. Also find and post pictures to our Flickr group, Facebook or Google+ and follow us on Twitter @VWER.
Kali Pizzaro: This week’s theme is For the Discussion OpenSim conference on this weekend – let’s start as we usually do and introduce ourselves, Evelyn McElhinney, RN, Lecturer, Glasgow Caledonian University, VWER Director
Kali Pizzaro: so don’t be shy 🙂
TheProfessor Wycliffe: Walt Chesbro, Instructor Santa Rosa Junior College; SRJC is in Sonoma County, California
Sheila Yoshikawa: I teach and research in the Information School, University of Sheffield, UK
Kali Pizzaro: http://oscc.avacon.org/2015/
Birdie Newcomb: Birdie Newborn, reconfiguring my life…
Serene Jewell: Kathleen Watkins, virtual worlds explorer, writer, builder.
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Selby Evans, Blogger
Wisdomseeker (lissena): Lynne Berrett, owner of Inspiration Island, Director of Ageless Mind Project
Sheila Yoshikawa is also trying to gulp down her supper
Fauve Aeon: Fauve Aeon freelance podcaster and blogger, VW enthusiast, I want to start reporting on more VW topics like this. 🙂 Hello everyone. ((fighting off friendly cats today))
Sheila Yoshikawa: great Fauve
Beth Ghostraven: Hi Fauve!
Fauve Aeon waves, waves 😀
Beth Ghostraven: Fauve is my neighbor in Caledon
Beth Ghostraven: Beth Ghostraven, middle school teacher-librarian in RL and owner of the Book and Tankard Pub in Victoria City, Caledon in SL; unofficial liaison between education groups in SL. For information on events for the educational groups that I work with, see the ISTE VEN Massive Open Online Calendar at http://venetwork.weebly.com/calendar.html ; Twitter: @booklady9
I’ll be taking photos to publish with the transcript; if you have any objection, please IM me.
Kali Pizzaro: ok so we are discussing the Opensim conference which is on this week http://conference.opensimulator.org/2015/schedule/
Kali Pizzaro: schedule link above 🙂
Kali Pizzaro: so firstly who is going?
Kali Pizzaro: possibly me
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I am going
Beth Ghostraven: I’m hoping to get to a little of it; will be on the road to the VSTE conference in RL that day
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I may blog about it
Wisdomseeker (lissena): me
Sheila Yoshikawa: not sure, might do, but so many things to do this weekend
Birdie Newcomb: remind me — going where — oh, OpenSim?
Wisdomseeker (lissena): first time I am not presenting –because I want to be able to listen to others for a change
Kali Pizzaro: so if you have looked at the schedule has anything particularly caught your eye?
Wisdomseeker (lissena): looking furtively at schedule
Beth Ghostraven: This is the schedule: https://opensimulatorcommunity20151914.sched.org/
Beth Ghostraven: hopefully you can see it even if you’re not registered
Sheila Yoshikawa: do you have to register to attend?
Wisdomseeker (lissena): yes, so far as I know
Beth Ghostraven: it’s free
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Avatar Repertory Theater is the longest surviving live theater performance group in virtual worlds, since 2008. We have 200 performances under our virtual belts, ranging from full immersive stagings, such as Shakespeare’s “The Tempest”, Sophocles “Oedipus Rex” and “Alice in Wonderland”, to small workshops and original plays. Our small, tightly-knit troupe consists of professional and community theater performers, programmers, sound engineers, avatar and theater designers, and playwrights. A few of us will talk about what we do and present a theatrical adaptation demonstrating some of the technical considerations of producing this ancient art in a fascinating new media.
Fauve Aeon: I’ll be testing my connection on the road between RL events this weekend but watching recorded bits as they get posted as well, as completely as I can afterwards.
Kali Pizzaro: that looks great Thinkerer and I like the look of this http://conference.opensimulator.org/2015/schedule/ A series of presentations by practicing educators featuring projects using NPCs and the spatial environment in OpenSimulator for interactive and contextual immersive learning. Scenarios include: students tracking down the mechanism of disease communication; contextually understanding the social, environmental and economic factors that impact health; and creating narrative environments for historical or literary lessons.
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes the theatre one sounds interesting, Selby
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Techland is a hypergrid enabled grid focused on math, statistical science, biology, chemistry and earth science. Educational contents are set as 3D scripted objects, like a 3D paragraph in a 3D immersive book, Student target: 11-14 years old (middle school). URL http://techlandgrid.it:8002. I may blog about Techland
Kali Pizzaro: yes saw that too, interesting; the health ones catch my eye 🙂
Kali Pizzaro: Come visit London’s Soho District from 1854 to track down the source of a cholera outbreak. This educational activity provides the experience of John Snow’s efforts to prove to the medical community that water enabled the spread of disease. Contagion theory was mostly dismissed by the medical community at the time in favor of miasma theory which held that air was the mechanism of transmission. This activity is used for an Honors Biology course at Ball State University. Developed by Stephen Xootfly who teaches the course and Kim Anubis of The Magicians. They will be on hand to guide visitors through the build and answer questions.
Wisdomseeker (lissena): This is a chance to “go backstage” on a game-based sim with Ann Cudworth, author of “Virtual World Design”, and the soon to be published “Extending Virtual World Design”. These 4 regions were built on the Kitely grid, to provide the book development team with content to make illustrations from. It is also the content that will be given out with “Extending Virtual World Design” when the book is published. Ann will take 15-20 people on a tour and explain how the design concepts were created, and how her team worked together to make it all work. She will also explain how these regions can be used as a template for designing learning games in the classroom.
Beth Ghostraven: I shared the press release with you all; helpful links at the end
Wisdomseeker (lissena): ty Beth, I always forget how to get there
Beth Ghostraven: yw!
Kali Pizzaro: mmmm this looks really great I need to try to get to this
Beth Ghostraven: The sessions will be recorded, so if you don’t make it you can watch later
Kali Pizzaro: so how many folks tend to attend does anyone know
Kali Pizzaro: great thanks Beth
Beth Ghostraven: it’s good to be able to participate and ask questions too
Kali Pizzaro: absolutely; I prefer to be there
Wisdomseeker (lissena): I think there is a limit, Kali–
Beth Ghostraven: Rhiannon Chatnoir, the organizer of the conference, will be here in a few minutes
Birdie Newcomb: I can barely make it to SL
Wisdomseeker (lissena): they always do a load bearing test before
Sheila Yoshikawa: They say “We hope to be able to accommodate over 350 users in total, a figure which includes speakers, sponsors and staff. “
Sheila Yoshikawa: They say they are limiting registrations, though that will be a tricky one, always more people register for a free event than turn up
Wisdomseeker (lissena): Hypergridding seems to be getting easier, isn’t that so, Selby?
Kali Pizzaro: great so Rhiannon can maybe answer some of these Qs
Serene Jewell: You can hypergrid in or you can also set up a new avatar on the Avacon site. I like hypergridding, but tend to use the local avatar because it’s easier on their servers.
Wisdomseeker (lissena): good to know, Serene; so I will go from Avacon
Kali Pizzaro: ah right so how do you get the local avatar
Beth Ghostraven: register and ask for one, Kali
Fauve Aeon: I have not tried hypergridding in from Kitely but all my avi stuff can go so…guess I will test it 🙂
Beth Ghostraven: It’s important to note – if you are using an AvaCon avatar you are hypergridding, NOT using a local avatar. A local avatar is an OSCC one.
Wisdomseeker (lissena): ah
Beth Ghostraven: either one works
Wisdomseeker (lissena): ty Beth
Serene Jewell: Oops sorry, I meant an OSCC one.
Sheila Yoshikawa: I can’t remember what avatars i do and don’t have
Wisdomseeker (lissena): somehow I thought the conference was on Avacon
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): right Wis — travelling on the hypergrid works quite well if you have the address
Sheila Yoshikawa: I sign up for things, play briefly and then forget, too often
Kali Pizzaro: Here is Rhiannon
Kali Pizzaro: do you keep the same name Sheila
Beth Ghostraven: Hi Rhiannon!
Beth Ghostraven: Liss, AvaCon is the conference organizer, but it’s on a different grid
Kali Pizzaro: Hi Rhiannon welcome
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I could easily go HG from Kitely last year — expect to do that this year
Wisdomseeker (lissena): you know what I like most about Opensim? I can have 2 names there, not just Lissena Resident 🙂
Fauve Aeon: good to hear, ThinkererSelby; I keep Fauve Aeon everywhere I can 🙂
Rhiannon Chatnoir: hi all!
Ravelli Ormstein: Hello Rhiannon
Greg Prumier: hello Rhiannon
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I regularly go from Kitely to various HG places
Kali Pizzaro: so we have touched on the schedule and interesting talks and now how to access and what avatar we should use – so any advice on which avatar to use and how to get to the venue, @Rhiannon. So, any advice on which avatar to use and how to get to the venue?
Rhiannon Chatnoir: well if you have a local account from any of the prior OSCC’s that will also still work. And we are still making local accounts for those who need them, but hypergridding in is good too. I know there have been some newer code changes and OSgrid has had a few hiccups hypergridding yesterday. When in doubt, register and ask for the local account; you can always use if the HG one for some reason does not
Serene Jewell: I have Serene Jewell on most of the grids. But I registered an OSCC version on the theory that local avatars are easier on the server than hypergridding ones.server than hypergridding ones.
Beth Ghostraven: can people go ahead and try getting to the OSCC grid, Rhiannon?
Rhiannon Chatnoir: OH! and that is important too.. make sure your inventory loads fully on the avatar you are going to be hypergridding from before you make that jump; that helps with those errors too
Serene Jewell: Schedule looks great by the way. You are fitting a lot into the conference.
Rhiannon Chatnoir: yes, it is open publicly now
Rhiannon Chatnoir: yeah Serene, it will be a long day, but should be nice cross pollination since only one thread
Kali Pizzaro: yeah nice few health ones – I will try to attend
Rhiannon Chatnoir: and then Sunday is the Hypergrid Tour and all fht resources and help for folks.. so I would say also go to that to get your feet wet and understanding hypergridding if you haven’t
Kali Pizzaro: nice
Kali Pizzaro: I am putting you on the spot is there a particular session caught your eye @Rhiannon?
Kali Pizzaro: 😉
Rhiannon Chatnoir: lol
Rhiannon Chatnoir: well of course I like them all…. 😛
Kali Pizzaro: ;-P
Beth Ghostraven: you’re asking her to tell who her fav child is, lol
Rhiannon Chatnoir: yeah
Kali Pizzaro: lol
Rhiannon Chatnoir: but, I am looking forward to the later ones on NPCs since I am not as familiar on working with those and think they could lend lots of interactive capability to a project
Kali Pizzaro: yeah that caught my eye
Kali Pizzaro: how long does it take to plan a conference like this
Rhiannon Chatnoir: also, Casias Falta’s presentation on taking OpenSImulator/SL content and porting it to Unity to use with things like Google Cardboard look great too, again ‘cause I personally am interested in playing with that
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): If you don’t know about NPCs, you want to find out. They have great potential.
Kali Pizzaro: that sounds really interesting and inventive
Rhiannon Chatnoir: yes, we had some simple chat bots in some of the Global Kids work I was part of years back.. they can lend nice learning interaction
Wisdomseeker (lissena): why, Selby?
Kali Pizzaro: yea i had one too but was a wee bit stilted, but still useful
Rhiannon Chatnoir: and.. as for the SL/OpenSimulator to Google Cardboard.. I still have the link up from the white paper Casias has put together on it http://3dcolab.com/cardboardexport.html … might be of interest to you all, so bookmark that too 🙂
Kali Pizzaro: great thanks
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): If you make movies — NPCs can stand in for your actors. If you make scenes, NPCs can be your characters
Kali Pizzaro: so a hybrid of people and NPCs Selby
Kali Pizzaro: is that a bit like never work with kids or animals and NPCs 😉
Wisdomseeker (lissena): lol
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): You can automate NPCs to do practically anything
Kali Pizzaro: nods
Kali Pizzaro: are they pandora bots or?
Kali Pizzaro: pretending I know what I am talking about here 😛
Kali Pizzaro: how do you acquire them – buy them?
Sheila Yoshikawa: I think you can
Rhiannon Chatnoir: you can make learning environments where you come across an NPC avatar that is scripted to interact to further your story or lesson, or give clues, or objects, etc
Serene Jewell: NPCs are nonplayer characters that can look like any avatar. They can be programmed to move, speak, attack, guide, and they are very good listeners. 🙂
Sheila Yoshikawa: http://www.pandorabots.com/
Kali Pizzaro: yeah Rachel did that
Rhiannon Chatnoir: yes they are basically just like us on the outside, but instead of a human moving it, it has scripting functions that make it move, or respond via typing, etc
Kali Pizzaro: not that great at answering sometimes
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes I think you have used them Kali, no?
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): How to make dancing cows and other tales of the NPCs http://virtualoutworlding.blogspot.com/2015/07/2015-help-write-how-to-make-dancing.html
Serene Jewell: NPCs are different on OpenSim than in SL. More powerful and easier to program with the new OpenSim tools. Pandorabots are chatbots that can have conversations as I understand it.
Kali Pizzaro: sensibly although you could say that about us – yes Sheila
Sheila Yoshikawa: lol Kali
Kali Pizzaro: ah right nods
Kali Pizzaro: thanks Serene
Ravelli Ormstein: in OpenSim they are user accounts, like any other avatar, one can login with they name, but one can also call and control via script
Sheila Yoshikawa: interesting that easier in Opensim
Rhiannon Chatnoir: there are versions of NPCs here in SL, but it is tougher to do ‘cause you need instances of the viewer running them to power them here in SL.. but in OpenSim, you can directly sort with the server to start up those NPC bots and not need you running another version of the viewer to have them up
Kali Pizzaro: ah excellent
Serene Jewell: We did a project on OpenSim in October where 20 some writers and builders got together and created a 9-region story. We used lots of NPCs in it. I’ll get a link.
Rhiannon Chatnoir: yes
Sheila Yoshikawa: fun!
Kali Pizzaro: brilliant sounds great
Rhiannon Chatnoir: so the two presentations on NPCs that will be at OSCC, the first with Nara and Ferd is an overview of them, and setup/use.. and then there is a special hour long presentation with 3 groups of educators that have used them in various ways
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): The OpenSim scripting language has special functions supporting the use of NPCs
Serene Jewell: Here’s a description of the Immersive Edge story. http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2015/11/immersive-edge-is-more-than-a-love-story/
Rhiannon Chatnoir: for either health edu, or biology, or literature
Fauve Aeon: I would like to see that, one of the first fascinating things I saw at SL here was the ecosystem at Svarga, the plants, weather, bees and bats
Rhiannon Chatnoir: am sure Nara will talk on that.. there are a couple of avatars in their booth from it I think
Fauve Aeon: I would like to learn more about how to do something similar 🙂
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I got a NPC make from Nara — found it very easy to use — But know that you need to be on land you own or manage — otherwise, it does not work
Fauve Aeon: we have set up a couple of sim blocks in Kitely
Serene Jewell: The “Evening with William Butler Yeats” presentation is Ruby Odegee’s use of a Yeats NPC to teach about his life I think.
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): My Dancing Cows article has links to tutorials
Rhiannon Chatnoir: and yes Svarga was amazing
Rhiannon Chatnoir smiles thinking of dancing cows
Rhiannon Chatnoir: oh, I would also like to invite any of you who might want to present on your work or relevant use of tech at an NPC meeting in the coming year https://calendly.com/joyce/nonprofit-commons-in-second-life/12-04-2015
Kali Pizzaro: thanks
Rhiannon Chatnoir: and NPC = Nonprofit Commons.. sorry for using abbreviations 😛
Kali Pizzaro: I will talk to you about presenting my PhD after VAI or Gentle and iSkye will lynch me
Fauve Aeon: hehe, I was all like…. (laughs)
Serene Jewell: That’s NPC Nonprofit Commons, not NPC Nonplayer character, right?
Kali Pizzaro: 🙂
Rhiannon Chatnoir: lol thats fine.. the good thing about weekly meetings is there is always open slots coming up
Rhiannon Chatnoir: lol yes Serene
Fauve Aeon: I’m gathering ‘first impressions’ of newbies to virtual worlds, firsthand, so that will become a paper at some point…
Kali Pizzaro: so we have discussed the way to get to the conf, using the grid avatar, and some of the interesting presentations that have caught your eye
Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): Could I possibly add something about being new in SL ?
Beth Ghostraven: oh good, Fauve, that sounds interesting!
Kali Pizzaro: Excellent Fauve that will be important work
Kali Pizzaro: of Course Georgi
Serene Jewell: yes, sounds like a great project.
Rhiannon Chatnoir: if you are looking for older examples, and from youth.. we had a lot of the youth we worked with throughout the Global Kids projects on their thoughts/experiences in world.. let me grab that url
Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): I joined SL back in 2010 and have found it extremely difficult as a new person it was not easy and learning the viewer and dressing myself etc … then having to put up with griefing people and scammers it kind of left a bad taste about SL for me
Rhiannon Chatnoir: http://www.olpglobalkids.org/
Rhiannon Chatnoir: we also put together a Second Life curriculum, though hasn’t been updated in awhile.. let me grab that URL too
Birdie Newcomb: @duchess Glad you came back.
Beth Ghostraven: I didn’t have the griefers, but also had a very hard time getting used to SL
Serene Jewell: That’s so unfortunate, Georgi. First contact inworld really does make a big difference to people’s impression of the place.
Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): thanks Birdie I was tempted not to after a lot of horrible things that happened
Wisdomseeker (lissena): could we have a meeting sometimes about ways to make it easier, simpler?
Rhiannon Chatnoir: http://www.lulu.com/shop/global-kids-inc/global-kids-second-life-curriculum/ebook/product-17433287.html was for the Global Kids curriculum to teach new users to SL
Rhiannon Chatnoir: we did release it under a creative commons, so it can be revised by others
Birdie Newcomb: My worst was being trapped. But switch off, switch on, and I was out.
Beth Ghostraven: great, Rhi, very useful!
Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): I had to put up with what I call “serious game players” who basically get a kick out of sussing people out and hurting them a couple of clubs and vampire cans seem to be rife with these types of people; and I do fear for new people and how they will react to this if they are not used to being on line
Fauve Aeon: thank you. ((saves more links))
Rhiannon Chatnoir: thanks Beth, I have the word copies of that doc too if ever needed. I was the editor of it
Wisdomseeker (lissena): I am designing a professional development course to bring more people into SL and looking for best ways to do that, under Letty Luckstone’s guidance
Beth Ghostraven: great, Rhi, thanks!
Fauve Aeon: I am interested in the breakaway point, the denouement, what makes people ultimately stay or go, if it is an event and not just a gradual fading of interest.
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I am working on a project to make a Hypergrid welcoming center — maybe replicable place and some web content, Ideally with people most of the time. I will pick up any info I can use.
Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): I am actually thinking of setting up a group where it helps new people with life skills as I have found a lot of people in SL do not have this ability and I would like to bring that to them
Birdie Newcomb: Good, Lissena. SL doesn’t do a good job with newbies, but many sites are welcoming.
Kali Pizzaro: That is a shame Georgi hopefully you have found good places to go now with good people – like any ‘world’ there are not so great folks and fab folks like this group and many of the groups these people represent
Rhiannon Chatnoir: Lissena, some of that might be useful to you too.. let me know
Wisdomseeker (lissena): I grabbed your stuff, Rhi
Birdie Newcomb: I got my footing by “owning” a bit of property, and then could build and experiment
Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): It has taken over 5 years to get to this point to meet good people but Kali I feel it should not have taken such a long time and I feel that I should not have gone through the horrific tests that I have had to put up with
Kali Pizzaro: My PhD found that people had a very different experience to you Georgi many positive assets that helped them live and cope with their long term conditions in the physical world
Kali Pizzaro: nods
Kali Pizzaro: I think it might be a bit easier now to find the kinds of event that interest you
Beth Ghostraven: Georgi, if you’d like to, send me a friend request
Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): then that is very good Kali
Beth Ghostraven: anyone else, too, for that matter
Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): yes sure Beth thank you. I have found SL a very horrible place I am sorry to say but I think as a user you need to know this. It’s not all a bed of roses out there trust me
Kali Pizzaro: we have been here since 2008; absolutely it is not a utopia
Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): it sure isn’t
Kali Pizzaro: like any world
Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): if you knew what I have had to endure I am sure you would understand 🙂
Rhiannon Chatnoir: I had a weird bug in the SL viewer in the early days of me using SL that didn’t allow me to launch the application directly, but instead going through the event listing they used to have online was the only way to launch it.. granted this was Jan 2005… and that I think gave me a nice launch in since there was always people and something going on and I could pick events of topical interest.. made it stickier for me I think
Kali Pizzaro: sometimes you need to find the right folks – sure nods, well we hope you find us a positive and supportive bunch
Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): yes Kali that is true but not all people can find that supportive bunch of people
Kali Pizzaro: yes the search is something that came up in my health literacy research
Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): you have to be open to understanding this
Fauve Aeon: Much like life, I find it depends a lot on similar variables with a sprinkling of the usual nonsense anon brings…but the immensity of scope and opportunities for interaction and creativity are all-encompassing so it balances for me.
Kali Pizzaro: absolutely Georgi I am agreeing
Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): thank you 🙂
Kali Pizzaro: ok folks we are finished for this week
Wisdomseeker (lissena): Thanks Kali
Kali Pizzaro: thank you all for your participation and Rhiannon for popping in and answering our Qs
Rhiannon Chatnoir: sure
Rhiannon Chatnoir: and Friday mornings as usual I host the Nonprofit Commons in Sl meetings, so that is another group too of good folks Duchess; overlap between some of the people here; http://nonprofitcommons.org for info on that group
Georgi Devonshire (duchessofdevonshire): thank you Rhiannon
Kali Pizzaro: yep and virtual ability
Fauve Aeon: thank you for having me, very interesting, I’ve been telling Beth that I have been meaning to attend 🙂