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Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable: December 10, 2015
Topic: What Have We Learned from Conferences or Seminars?
Photos by Beth Ghostraven
Sheila Yoshikawa: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable. We meet Thursday 11:30am SLT for an hour. 7:30pm In UK, 2:30pm EST. VWER is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education in virtual worlds. This is a public meeting, so we will be keeping and publishing a transcript. The transcripts can be found at http://www.vwer.org. The VWER continues to develop a community of educators from around the world. Please join the VWER group here in SL. If you are on Facebook, or Google+ please join our group there. Also find and post pictures to our Flickr group and follow us on Twitter @VWER. When you blog or tweet, please remember to include the tag #vwer. you can catch up on our tweetchat at #vwer.
Sheila Yoshikawa: I am moderating today. This week’s Theme is: What have we learned from conferences or seminars recently?
Sheila Yoshikawa: Let’s start as we normally do and introduce ourselves. As usual we will be in text chat for the whole session.
Sheila Yoshikawa: I teach and research at Sheffield University in the Information School, that’s in the UK
Beth Ghostraven: Beth Ghostraven, middle school teacher-librarian in RL and owner of the Book and Tankard Pub in Victoria City, Caledon in SL; unofficial liaison between education groups in SL. For information on events for the educational groups that I work with, see the ISTE VEN Massive Open Online Calendar at http://venetwork.weebly.com/calendar.html ; Twitter: @booklady9
I’ll be taking photos to publish with the transcript; if you have any objection, please IM me.
Marylou Goldrosen: I am the Lizard of ARS/ART today
Kali Pizzaro: Evelyn McElhinney Rn, Lecturer, VWER Lead, GCU (this island in SL) Scotland
Marly (marly.milena): Niela Miller, M.S. Ed is a multi-artist, humanistic psychologist, educator, trainer, coach, & group facilitator in and out of SL. She has two groups offering programs in SL—Octagon:Creative Exploration and (with Liss) Adventures in Lifelong Learning. www.peoplesystemspotential.com
Darkejade Tempest (darkejade): Hi folks 🙂
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Selby Evans, Blogger, A school for self-study in virtual worlds. We call that a library http://virtualoutworlding.blogspot.com/2015/11/2015-edu-school-for-self-study-in.html
Sheila Yoshikawa: 😉 Selby
Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): Andrew Oleksiuk in RL. artist, educator and technologist,, was just appointed to the APS Students and Education Committee
Wisdomseeker (lissena): Lynne Berrett, owner of Inspiration Island in SL
Sheila Yoshikawa: thanks everyone!
Sheila Yoshikawa: So the theme is: What have we learned from conferences or seminars recently? We could start by looking at whether anyone here attended the OpenSim conference at the weekend
Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): yes
Sheila Yoshikawa: I think some of you were there
Sheila Yoshikawa: I dropped in for a bit
Beth Ghostraven: I was there for a little bit too
Sheila Yoshikawa: I saw some presentations about non player characters, demonstrations of some scenarios
Kali Pizzaro: I did not get there 🙁
Marly (marly.milena): I got in once but then could not get back following the exact same set of steps
Sheila Yoshikawa: I think there are recordings, I will just look in my mail
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): From Open Sim CC — Somebody is working on beginner viewer in browser. I will blog when it comes out in beta
Marylou Goldrosen: I enjoyed it , even though I was my first time on that section of OPenSIm
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): there are video recordings of OSCC — looking
Sheila Yoshikawa: The ever helpful Peter Miller said in a discussion list “The videos from yesterday are currently available here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/oscc3″/channel/osc
Beth Ghostraven: thank goodness for the Stream Team!
Marly (marly.milena): Yup!
Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): My experience of the conference was fine, once I got in. The tech experience was of OpenSim and openSimCC was less than welcoming – many tech hurdles
Marylou Goldrosen: Thanks for the links–couldn’t find them
Kali Pizzaro: Tiffany do you think there are more tech people in OS
Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): I also experienced – as a first time USER, a predictably dreaded feeling as a newb. This lasted a short time, but I am glad i was finally had the motivation and reason to use the software
Sheila Yoshikawa: i actually couldn’t hear voice and couldn’t work out why, so I listened to the stream, but looked at it live in opensim, I’d signed up for a conference avatar
Sheila Yoshikawa: I spent too long customising my avatar as soon as I got in!
Beth Ghostraven: Ti, you’re an experienced SL user, too–what would have helped?
Marly (marly.milena): I spoke with Rhia this AM and she says they are aware of the tech hurdles and will work on better accessibility etc for next time
Sheila Yoshikawa: Did you blog it, Selby (I know I could just look at your blog….)
Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): The website of OpenSimCC gave several too many options, albeit good intentions . There was a weeks long wait to get my OpenSim account on AvaCon grid
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I did some blogging — let me check
Sheila Yoshikawa: thanks
Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): I purposely tried to get a openSim standard account instead of a temporary one
Beth Ghostraven: there is no OpenSim standard account, Ti
Sheila Yoshikawa: I found getting in with the conference avi was ok – though I had forgotten I’d need to download a different browser
Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): And then I got that 2007 feeling, as I normally use the standard SL viewer
Sheila Yoshikawa: 😉 yes retro feel
Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): It’s so retro looking LOL But eventually everything worked 🙂
Marly (marly.milena): I didn’t understand the difference between a so-called Local account and a Hyperlink one
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Blog on welcome center: http://virtualoutworlding.blogspot.com/2015/12/2015-new-hg-hg-welcome-center.html
Beth Ghostraven: You can use any viewer other than the SL viewer from Linden Lab, too
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Avatar Repertory Theater comes to OSCC 2015 http://virtualoutworlding.blogspot.com/2015/12/2015-stage-p2p-avatar-repertory-theater.html
Marly (marly.milena): Aside from the tech difficulties did anyone learn anything that would be particularly helpful for educators?
Kali Pizzaro: that looked great Selby
Marylou Goldrosen: I work on the OpenSim on a private part, sponsored by University of British Columbia, and had to start a new avatar et al. It took awhile.
Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): Learnt for educators: spend lots of time with the software
Marylou Goldrosen: You tech guys were very helpful
Sheila Yoshikawa: The stuff on NPCs did not look radically different from things I’ve seen in SL, but the ability to do it on a large area, without huge rent
Beth Ghostraven: I didn’t know you could use NPCs in SL
Marylou Goldrosen: Good news! One of the participants– a nun in real life, will use my Powerpoint and project with her middle school kids
Beth Ghostraven: great, Marylou!
Sheila Yoshikawa: In fact some of the sessions I did not attend e.g. on Google glasses and the connection with raspberry pi looked more innovative/different
Marylou Goldrosen: The connections with other avatars was great!
Sheila Yoshikawa: excellent!
Beth Ghostraven: Marylou, that’s one reason I love conferences
Marly (marly.milena): Wait…does NPC mean something besides Non Profit Commons?
Sheila Yoshikawa: Non Player Character
Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): LOL
Marly (marly.milena): Ohhhhh, thanks
Beth Ghostraven: tell Rhiannon you asked that, Marly, she’ll get a kick out of it :o)
Sheila Yoshikawa: They were really interesting BTW – but in terms of things not possible in SL not so different, I think
Marylou Goldrosen: Wish I wasn’t trying to grade university final papers at the same time
Kali Pizzaro: the dreaded Marking season
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I came in via HG from Kitely no tech problems
Marly (marly.milena): A little confusing when two entities have the same initials!!!!
Kali Pizzaro: indeed Marly
Marly (marly.milena): Is Open Sim a trend away from SL or just an alternative?
Beth Ghostraven: at this point, just an alternative
Marly (marly.milena): Let me ask all the dumb newbie questions! LOL
Sheila Yoshikawa: my perception is that is partly doing similar and partly complementary
Marylou Goldrosen: How was the Avatar Repertory Theater?
Beth Ghostraven: they may be newbie questions, but they’re *not* dumb, Marly :o)
Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): both, as there are many things that will alter the SL experience, the fractioning of worlds, in the near future, it seems
Marly (marly.milena): Oh no!
Sheila Yoshikawa: some things easier/ possible/cheaper than SL – some some driven by wanting SL but cheaper, others driven by different requirements of coding, needing customisation and personalisation, confidentiality etc
Marylou Goldrosen: The OpenSim can allow kids –in private parts –for teaching
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): ART was well received –had tech problems
Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): OpenSim, SL, Sansar. The good news is, those same tools will also attract new users
Kali Pizzaro: and the avatar the movie will be out and I am sure some folks will think oh let’s try SL 🙂
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I have 16 sim island for $40/month, in Kitely
Sheila Yoshikawa: as ever it depends a lot what people’s goals are
Marly (marly.milena): I hope the entry can become more streamlined. I had to join Singularity, put myself on AvaCon (one gateway), and then take at least four other steps to get anywhere
Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): Weekends are not a good time for serious conferences, at least not for me. I would have gone to a few more events if it was weekdays, or spread out in evenings
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Someone is working on streamlined entry — I will report when i goes public.
Kali Pizzaro: yeah me too, Tiffany
Sheila Yoshikawa: in fact I happened to be able to go last saturdays, but weekends aren’t the best for me either
Birdie Newcomb: me three
Sheila Yoshikawa: however impossible to find a good time for all…
Marly (marly.milena): TY Selby
Kali Pizzaro: indeed @sheila
Sheila Yoshikawa: Liss was your statement about lag a statement or question?
Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): But otherwise, the setup for the keynote, the pacing, the quality of the speakers was great
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): They have video recordings
Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): good to know, Selby
Birdie Newcomb: What were the highlights for whoever attended?
Sheila Yoshikawa: I get the impression most of us that attended just attended a few bits
Marly (marly.milena): Birdie, I asked that but most of the energy was around the process, not the content
LoCE Morpork (loce99ch8.morpork): From the outside, the opensim conference sounds like most other conferences: technical difficulties, awkward scheduling, networking most rewarding.
Marly (marly.milena): Yeah, the process//// 🙂
Sheila Yoshikawa: actually I did zero networking apart from saying hi to someone who I used to see a lot and who now does things on opensim
Marylou Goldrosen: We are all getting better at these events
Sheila Yoshikawa: so I would say that the presentations were professional
Birdie Newcomb: My machine seems to be too outdated to keep up
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): See this: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/79175581
Marly (marly.milena): I am still grateful for the conferences right here in SL, not having to jump through hoops
Sheila Yoshikawa: they seemed well prepared, so I enjoyed learning about the scenarios with non player characters and how they were being used
Sheila Yoshikawa: I think it would be worth watching the videos, which also seem well prepared
Birdie Newcomb: non-player characters — like robots?
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes bots, Birdie, we discussed it a bit earlier, but as I said I think it’s worth having a look at the relevant videos
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I think the link I gave takes you to the videos
ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): non-player characters like robots, but you can make one a duplicate of your avatar in 20 seconds, and you can give one an animation as fast as you can do that for yourself
Sheila Yoshikawa: thanks selby
Beth Ghostraven: A highlight for me was hearing Maria Korolov talk about Google Cardboard–then I got to try it at the RL conference I was at
Sheila Yoshikawa: how was the RL experience Beth
Beth Ghostraven: once I got over the technical setup, it seems like there are just canned things to use it with, nothing interactive, like a 3D stereopticon http://www.turtlepointpress.com/traveltainted/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/1JC-Stereopticon.jpg
Birdie Newcomb: my grandma had one of those
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes, in terms of 3D some people in other departments here at Sheffield have been developing some 3D setups for use with oculus rift etc., but it seems like activity has plateaued waiting for the next development, somehow
Sheila Yoshikawa: so, anyone been to any OTHER conferences or seminars or workshops or webinars? which had interesting things they would like to share?
Beth Ghostraven: I attended the VSTE conference in RL this week (Virginia Society for Technology in Education). We got 3 new teachers into SL for professional development, and had a SRO crowd for a Minecraft session
Sheila Yoshikawa: Beth, was the Google Cardboard at a conference?
Beth Ghostraven: yes, the VSTE conference
Sheila Yoshikawa: You were presenting on Minecraft, Beth?
Beth Ghostraven: yes
Beth Ghostraven: it was awesome!
Sheila Yoshikawa: is your material anywhere on the web?
Sheila Yoshikawa: or at least an abstract?
Beth Ghostraven: not yet, it was mostly hands-on
Marly (marly.milena): I went to a wedding here and saw some lovely ritual design which gave me ideas for ed. programs
Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly – by ritual design – do you mean wedding animations – I mean for the ceremony?
Marly (marly.milena): There were anims, of course, but I am speaking more about some of the unique aspects of this particular event, how the space was arranged, the responses, the design of two different settings (wedding and reception) etc. Too long to give more detail
Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): At Chicagopex I ran the youth booth for stamp collectors. i showed machinima which I had created specifically for the event. This is a fairly low-tech crowd, and it was generally well received.
Beth Ghostraven: that’s a great idea, Ti!
Sheila Yoshikawa: what was in the machinima, marylou
Sheila Yoshikawa: sorry Tiffany, not Marylou
Marylou Goldrosen: About 3-D, since most of the kids animals were transparencies anyway, we downloaded them and made them into real life installations; the same thing with masks made in real life in cardboard and uploaded in SL
Kali Pizzaro: excellent
Marly (marly.milena): Nice!
Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marylou did you use a 3D scanner or something, or were you saying that they were 2D images to start with (actually I think you were saying that, but just to check)
Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): Janis Joplin covering Jimi Hendrix’ Star Spangled Banner with a background of USA flag stamps and red white and blue fireworks.
Sheila Yoshikawa: @Tiffany sounds good
Marylou Goldrosen: Scanned 2 images into the computer and crossed them to stand or put them on then box prims
Marylou Goldrosen: All phantom images –see through
Sheila Yoshikawa: this is going a bit off topic, but when I did the machinima for the “Exploring Play” MOOC, some people commented that my lips weren’t in synch properly, but that and other comments made me think how in fact people in the MOOC were probably without thinking comparing my videos to animations that cost a huge amount of money to make, and in fact the relatively small amount of comments highlighted how SL could be a low cost place to do animations. I know that’s a pretty obvious point, but it made me realise I could be using it more for that purpose
Beth Ghostraven: oh, that’s a really good point, Sheila!
Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): Here is the very noisy air guitar (play it later, trust me)
Greg Prumier: I use Machinima to show students how to do things in SL
Wisdomseeker (lissena): fun, Tif!
Sheila Yoshikawa: lol couldn’t resist of course Tiff!
Sheila Yoshikawa: It made me think I could probably be using it more for non-SL education, I mean topics nothing to do with SL that I teach in the normal way of things
Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): machinima has many limitations and many very good aspects about it, like any medium, you have to find a good balance
Marly (marly.milena): Everyone (almost) loves movies!
Beth Ghostraven: Greg, I think we should have shown something like that at our SL presentation–are they online?
Greg Prumier: some are; it is easier than trying to tell them in text
Wisdomseeker (lissena): would love to see a sample @ Greg
Greg Prumier: see what i can find, smiles
Greg Prumier: Here is a machinima on making simple molecules https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI8ThkvFQMo&feature=related
Tiffany Mosienko (ti.mosienko): tnx Greg
Beth Ghostraven: thanks Greg!
Greg Prumier: most welcome, tips my santa hat
Sheila Yoshikawa: When I think about it, the only education conferences etc. I’ve been too in the last year have either been sheffield Uni events or ones to do with SL, but nothing recently apart from OpenSim
Beth Ghostraven: how about workshops?
Sheila Yoshikawa: I have been learning about how to use Adobe Connect, but in fact mainly through using it to teach
Wisdomseeker (lissena): I see that more and more conferences are holding distance sessions, especially international conferences
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes, in my field of information literacy there are more and more webinars as well, though I find that there are so many events that potentially I could participate in online – I end up registering for more than I go to
Sheila Yoshikawa: any UPCOMING events that are interesting (other than VWBPE)?
Marly (marly.milena): Overload is becoming a serious challenge in this info age
Wisdomseeker (lissena): fortunately most offer recordings so I get to them over time
Sheila Yoshikawa: anything that people would like to flag up as interesting online events, here in SL or just on the web?
Beth Ghostraven: There’s a very interesting thing coming up on Tuesday–Pamala Clift will be talking about avatar relationships in virtual worlds at the ISTE VEN Focus Sessions. Pamala is amazing
Marylou Goldrosen: I miss them –at times –I’m teaching — If we can’t film it. Can you put an image/explanation on a new FLickr site? I do
Beth Ghostraven: a new Flickr site, Marylou?
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes that would be interesting
Marylou Goldrosen: Start one for others to add innovations maybe. I do this in my classes — even final papers go under the images
Marly (marly.milena): Rhiannon and I are putting together a panel for VWBPE of individuals who have created original, unique ways of doing education, counseling or community building here. If you would like to get the notice next week, please let me know
Beth Ghostraven: Marly that’s a great idea!
Sheila Yoshikawa: Oh perhaps I should do an advert for the Journal Club session we are doing jointly with ACRL on Sunday, discussing an information literacy article
Beth Ghostraven: I don’t use Flickr much, myself, since it’s blocked at my school
Sheila Yoshikawa: that’s a shame Beth
Sheila Yoshikawa: Perhaps I will also ask at this point – we welcome ideas for discussion topics for future VWERs; ideas are VERY welcome 😉
Sheila Yoshikawa: Hmmm – thinking of weddings – I wonder if there is one around specialised situations – where there may be interesting examples and resources – like weddings. I mean whether that could be a future topic
Kali Pizzaro: yes please give us ideas for themes or speakers we will be trying to fill 2016 soon
Sheila Yoshikawa: in about two weeks in fact lol
Kali Pizzaro: lol
Sheila Yoshikawa: the end of the year creeps up so fast
Marly (marly.milena): You are all invited to join A.L.L. (Adventures in Lifelong Learning) if you haven’t already,and come to a member meeting on Sunday Dec 27 at 1pm SL
Sheila Yoshikawa: so Kali, next week is the Xmas party?
Kali Pizzaro: yes next week get your glad rags on and your dancing shoes
Beth Ghostraven: no, that’s fine with me. I always have my dancing shoes on in SL, even when I’m in bare feet :o)
Sheila Yoshikawa: any serious talk, or straight into serious dancing?
Kali Pizzaro: no serious dancing
Kali Pizzaro: mmmm no vwer on the 24th, unless you really want one on xmas eve
Marylou Goldrosen: I’m dancing with our stars in my RL neighborhood — if I don’t break my neck trying
Sheila Yoshikawa: I’m already planning my outfit, as you might guess; I’ve picked up a very pretty free gown
Kali Pizzaro: i might need to be taken shopping; I have rubbish clothes in SL
Beth Ghostraven: Kali, I’ll be glad to take you shopping
Kali Pizzaro: 🙂
Beth Ghostraven: maybe Sheila and I could team up
Kali Pizzaro: lol
Kali Pizzaro: ha
Kali Pizzaro: that is scary