May 11, 2017: Open Forum

May 11th, 2017 | Posted by Beth in Transcripts

Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable: May 11, 2017

Topic: Open Forum

Photos by Beth Ghostraven

Kali Pizzaro: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable. We meet Thursday 12 noon SLT for an hour. 8:00pm In UK, 3:00pm EST. VWER is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education in virtual worlds. This is a public meeting, so we will be keeping and publishing a transcript. The transcripts can be found at The VWER continues to develop a community of educators from around the world. Please join the VWER group here in SL. If you are on Facebook, or Google+ please join our group there. Also find and post pictures to our Flickr group and follow us on Twitter @VWER. When you blog or tweet, please remember to include the tag #vwer. you can catch up on our tweetchat at #vwer.

I am moderating today. This week’s theme is: Open Forum

Let’s start as we normally do and introduce ourselves. As usual we will be in text chat for the whole session.

Camie Rembrandt: Independent e-Learning Professional and Certified Professional/Vocational Trainer with a Postgraduate Diploma in Education (E-Learning Pedagogy).

Marly (marly.milena): Niela Miller, M.S. Education/Communications- Gestalt therapist, composer, musician, artist, actor, educator, trainer, coach, educational designer, facilitator.  In SL since 2007. Founder: Octagon:Creative Exploration/ Facilitator: Adventures in Lifelong Learning, Whole Brain Health.   See for more.

Wisdomseeker (lissena): Lynne Berrett, NYC area, owner of Inspiration Island and Whole Brain Health group; other SL groups: Community of Creative Elders; Adventures in Lifelong Learning. FB: Virtual Inspiration Island;

Sheila Yoshikawa: I teach and research in the Information School at the University of sheffield

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Selby Evans, Blogger   Jane, Plain Jane: Part 8 I can believe it!

Josain Zsun: Josain Zsun Retired in the desolate high plains of E. NM. but still a pot stirrer.

Beth Ghostraven: Beth Ghostraven, middle school teacher-librarian in RL and owner of the Book and Tankard Pub in Victoria City, Caledon in SL; Owner of Ghostraven Professional Attire, classic clothing for educators in SL; Communications Chair for the VWBPE Conference; unofficial liaison between education groups in SL.For information on events for the educational groups that I work with, see the ISTE VEN Massive Open Online Calendar at; Twitter: @booklady9

I’ll be taking photos to publish with the transcript; if you have any objection, please IM me.

Darkejade Tempest (darkejade): Hi folks, I’m  Darkejade,  academic librarian, culinary & baking and pastry specialist at Johnson & Wales University, Providence, RI   USA

Kali Pizzaro: anyone else

Marly (marly.milena): Oh, Darkjade, I wish I had known when I was down there touring around the J&W museum!

Darkejade Tempest (darkejade): OH?

Marly (marly.milena): What an interesting exhibit that was.

Kali Pizzaro: going going gone to I think it is a peacock ‘=_

Darkejade Tempest (darkejade): omg  the library is just down the hall from there too

Darkejade Tempest (darkejade): when did you visit?

Marly (marly.milena): Last year

Darkejade Tempest (darkejade): aww , well do stop in if you come back Marley I’m the only librarian with furr  hehe

Camie Rembrandt: Next Thursday, May 18, will be International Museum Day 2017. So I was wondering: do you have any favorite virtual museums?

Sheila Yoshikawa: oh I must put that peacock out of its misery I pulled a photo texture onto it by mistake and it looks very odd when it spreads its tail. I’ll rez a new one

Josain Zsun: I thought that was just my client, but was going to ask.

Marly (marly.milena): Question: I am wondering if there is a trend in growth of ed programs in SL these days.  We are certainly experiencing an enrichment on our sim

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Here is my favorite museum:

Camie Rembrandt: Thank you, Selby

Kali Pizzaro: excellent

Marly (marly.milena): Selby, do you have any sense of this?

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Of what, Marly?

Marly (marly.milena): See my question above?

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I don’t have any sense of growth in Ed in SL, but I am not much involved in SL now.

Marly (marly.milena): Ah, ok

Sheila Yoshikawa: I haven’t got a feel for it, but you would have thought that with the vogue for VR there might be an upswing in interest

Sheila Yoshikawa: also more people with gaming computers that can cope with SL?

Kali Pizzaro: i don’t think there is from formal university

Beth Ghostraven: It seems like all of the SL education groups that I’m in are struggling for new leadership, as the current leaders are getting tired (in general)

Josain Zsun: I’ve seen several recent articles about VR and AR in education recently, but they seemed more promotional than implementation.

Marly (marly.milena): I am also curious about how many new people came to VWBPE conference this year and how many stay around.  Does ANYone keep stats like this?

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Actually more computers can cope with SL — No graphics card needed

Kali Pizzaro: uni tend to stick to their blackboard and moodle sites i think except for those who have always been in SL?

Beth Ghostraven: VWBPE does, Marly, but data hasn’t been released yet

Beth Ghostraven: I think VWBPE attendance was between 700 and 800 unique avatars, but I’m not certain

Marly (marly.milena): The 2nd half of the inquiry is more important i.e. how many stay around and if they have help locating the communities they want to participate in

Kali Pizzaro: yes Josain we have shut as you know there’s very little space for any innovation in higher edu it is teach, mark. meetings constantly

Sheila Yoshikawa: certainly down on the glory days of VWBPE, but still not bad

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Intel integrated graphic is adequate for SL

Sheila Yoshikawa: I think UK higher ed TALKS about being innovative all the time, but isn’t really, there is a conventional idea of innovative

Kali Pizzaro: yes Thinkerer and it is still a great place to teach – agree Sheila

Kali Pizzaro: innovation and creativity means people need time to think and research and it is just not there.

Kali Pizzaro: I am working about 50 or more hours a week at the moment, and so is everyone else

Marly (marly.milena): Maybe what draws a lot of people to WBH (Liss’ sim) is that it is entirely interactive and, for adults, that is more enticing than lecture forms of learning without interaction, especially in virtual

Beth Ghostraven: wow, Kali, that’s rough!

Kali Pizzaro: and it is not tied to formal education – assessment Marly?

Kali Pizzaro: it is for fun and learning

Beth Ghostraven: and Marly, that takes good advantage of what virtual worlds have to offer

Kali Pizzaro: and agree that is the strength of VW Marly

Marly (marly.milena): Yes, terrific challenge to juice up formal education in academia!  Antioch College (my alma mater) does this SO well

Wisdomseeker (lissena): (sorry–I am choosing clothing for newbies at the moment)–will participate in a bit

Beth Ghostraven: (I missed what our topic is today–what is it?)

Marly (marly.milena): open forum

Beth Ghostraven: ok thanks

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): one question  was about museums –ideal for virtual worlds

Sheila Yoshikawa: it is where  SL also fills a niche for older people (who have the tech) I know you all know this, but it does strike me how older people learning and communicating etc. is a big issue or concern, and here it happens

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): In many physical museums, you see virtual worlds behind glass

Beth Ghostraven: “you see virtual worlds behind glass”?

Marly (marly.milena): I am puzzling about why people who are coming to my big gallery exhibit are not taking advantage of the self-guided questions for more in depth viewing…

Kali Pizzaro: how are you presenting them?

Kali Pizzaro: the questions

Marly (marly.milena): There is a box they click on et voila!

Sheila Yoshikawa: perhaps it seems too much like hard work?

Kali Pizzaro: ah ok

Kali Pizzaro: and what notecards?

Marly (marly.milena): Haha, but it is actually FUN!

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): “there are scenes  depicting african wild life– those scenes are not real — so I guess they are virtual

Sheila Yoshikawa: but if you get really self willed people – they might think – I’m going to ask my OWN questions lol

Wisdomseeker (lissena): the Science Museum is quite amazing

Wisdomseeker (lissena): Yan Lauria

Kali Pizzaro: where is that got the slurl wisdom

Wisdomseeker (lissena): you want the LM?

Marly (marly.milena): Only four questions.  But anyhow, when I go to museums here, I like the idea of being asked to share what I see with others or on a notecard, but that is rarely an option!

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Selby and actually I still rather like those displays in physical museums, I know i’m not supposed to, but with the old stuffed animals and birds, they do make me look and use my imagination

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I share on my blog.

Kali Pizzaro: yes Liss

Wisdomseeker (lissena): will run there to see if it is the right LM

Kali Pizzaro: ha ok

Beth Ghostraven: Selby, I see what you mean :o)

Beth Ghostraven: tonight at 5 pm SLT, there’s a self-guided tour to the Rumsey Map Museum, leaving from ISTE in SL

Sheila Yoshikawa: I still mean to go and promise to do the notecard @Marly

Beth Ghostraven: or, of course, you could do it at any time :o)

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Sheila — I liked them back then — I spent 4 weekends  at the American Museum of Natural History.  But that is in New York.  I am i Texas — Now I have Virunga Natl Park on my desk.

Marly (marly.milena): Haha, Sheila, if I am around, I would be happy to share the experience with you!

Sheila Yoshikawa: 😉 Selby

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Thanks. Beth — I have another event at that time.

Marly (marly.milena): I LOVED the M of Natural History when I was a kid.  I would alternate between that and the Met. Museum.  Yum Yum

Beth Ghostraven: it’s ok, you can pick the notecard up any time this week – it’s at (for the David Rumsey Map Museum tour)

Wisdomseeker (lissena): Museum Island people have contacted me recently–they focus on archaeology

Marly (marly.milena): Has everyone here been to the Guggenheim?  Somebody on one of the sims I was on made one like it.  Fun to circle up the spiral

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): I also loved MOMA.  And learned a lot about art there.

Marly (marly.milena): If we were going to design a Museum of Education, I wonder what we would come up with!!!!

Sheila Yoshikawa: I like also that different creators will make things that they like or are typical of their country and it becomes like little museums. I just made a rather slow video with some items I got excited about – typical Madrid items associated with a zarzuela (a zarzuela is a Spanish genre of music-drama if you don’t know)

Wisdomseeker (lissena): there was a fine arts museum here but the person ran out of money and had to close it

Wisdomseeker (lissena): too bad the Lindens don’t give these places lower rates

Beth Ghostraven: My favorite was Free Wee Ling’s Sunlight Museum, which she closed a few years ago

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Marly it tends to boil down to installations or exhibits or gadgets, and also the documentation like videos or photos

Kali Pizzaro: all museums in Glasgow are free entry to allow access to all

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): There are lower rates in OpenSim

Kali Pizzaro: in the physical world that is

Wisdomseeker (lissena): Washington DC is like that, Kali

Wisdomseeker (lissena): most of the museums there are free

Kali Pizzaro: great it means no elite

Wisdomseeker (lissena): that was the goal

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): And you can save your build to your own machine

Kali Pizzaro: yes selby

Wisdomseeker (lissena): and the Met in NY allows you to decide what you will pay

Camie Rembrandt agrees with Selby

Beth Ghostraven: So what are your favorite museums in OpenSim?

Wisdomseeker (lissena): I get the feeling that the LEAs are a form of museum here

Marly (marly.milena): In some sense, isn’t this whole world a museum of sorts?

Wisdomseeker (lissena): I like that idea

Beth Ghostraven: no, I don’t think it is–a museum is curated

Kali Pizzaro: and here speaks the librarian

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): My favorie museums are listed here:

Kali Pizzaro: hehe

Beth Ghostraven: Second Life is whatever people want to put out there

Wisdomseeker (lissena): people curate their sims

Kali Pizzaro: categorise

Marly (marly.milena): Depends on how you define <museum>

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): just click that link

Beth Ghostraven: some people do, but some people clearly don’t, lol

Josain Zsun: Looking in my LMs I have:

Women of Science History Museum [no longer there]

Abyss Museum of Ocean Science [no longer there]

Spaceflight Museum

StarTrek Museum

Rocket Museum

Tech Museum of Innovation [no longer there]

David Rumsey Maps Museum

Holocaust Memorial Museum

Splo Museum [no longer there]

Baitoushan Aviation Museum

Vordun Museum

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Liss yes, but i always forget to go … I should do more art and less shopping, though sometimes the shopping sims are very creative ahem

Kali Pizzaro: haha

Kali Pizzaro: *cough*

Josain Zsun: & C.C. Loons Blues Museum

Wisdomseeker (lissena): sides with Sheila

Marly (marly.milena): I use the term to suggest that there are constant <exhibits> of all sorts, that they change, that they appeal to different tastes, that you actually visit different venues to see different stuff, that people are behind what is presented…

Wisdomseeker (lissena): are all these still in existence, Selby?

Sheila Yoshikawa: actually one designer has created a sim with his shop and the Vordun art museum which is nice (hee in SL)

Camie Rembrandt smiles at Sheila

Beth Ghostraven: Josain, could you pass me LMs for those please?

Kali Pizzaro: thanks Josain

Sheila Yoshikawa: & thanks @Liss, actually I constantly bump into things in SL that I think are exhibits or art, which aren’t on “arty” sims or anything – though that is like life – the trees are all art exhibits in the physical world where I am right now IMHO

Kali Pizzaro: no pressure

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Wis — I don’t know that they are still in existence some articles are quite old..

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Note also how easily I can search my blog

Marly (marly.milena): If you want to see a clothing shop that is also a museum (I am wearing Jackson Pollock presently-LOL), visit MANTOVA ITALIA- Lady Thera’s workshop and main store

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): and use the link

Wisdomseeker (lissena): I want to send you to the WOMEN in STEAM project — and we have a little Museum of heroic Women on our sim

Sheila Yoshikawa: thanks for various tips and links

Wisdomseeker (lissena): Thuja Hynes did the STEAM museum

Wisdomseeker (lissena): The Science Circle (158,206,23)

Wisdomseeker (lissena): Re our museum–you will be able to add your own suggestions for heroic women soon

Kali Pizzaro: nice

Marly (marly.milena): Liss, I think we may have some right in this circle!!!

Marly (marly.milena): 🙂

Second Life: Lissena Resident gave you Women in STEAM Project by Lissa McNeil.

Kali Pizzaro: we have only 7 mins folks! anything else to add or happy to discuss this – ha well said Marly

Sheila Yoshikawa: reminded me of a statue that got erected quite recently here in Sheffield to commemorate women steel workers

Sheila Yoshikawa: lol we are all heroes

Wisdomseeker (lissena): nice!  llike the Rosie the Riveter museum in Oakland CA

Marly (marly.milena): At noon on Saturday, come see musicians and artists improvising to each other’s creations!

Wisdomseeker (lissena): yes–this is going to be very special

Wisdomseeker (lissena): is the LM in the sign Marly?

Sheila Yoshikawa: also – I am off at tangents, this poem by Benjamin Zepheniah is on iron grilles across a student accommodation building here in Sheffield, I like it, I pass it often








Marly (marly.milena): Come join us for this unique event, hosted by Marly Milena of OCTAGON: Creative Exploration, in which artists improvise from scratch, using builds in response to a musician’s improvisations, and vice versa.  The musicians and artists riff off of each other’s creations as they unfold.  

Members of the audience will be invited to contribute verbal response to the art and music they are experiencing in open chat.

Tip Corbett, Prowess Rayna, & MrMulti Writer, three pianists ranging from classical to modern genres, will be improvising musical selections at the workshop, each lasting not more than 10 minutes, allowing time for the different builds. Sparkybear Mandelbrot, Francisco Koolhoven, and SurrealDreaming will provide the artwork improvs.  Particpating artists will be able to bring folders of shapes and textures, but nothing pre-built.  The builds can be abstract and do not need to be overly detailed.  

All are welcome to come and observe. At the end, audience members will be invited to participate in creating an improvised community sculpture to music, which can be a very fun and inspiring time for everyone.

Please arrive at the exhibit space about 10 minutes early to make sure that both your voice and audio stream are working. Audience members will use open chat and keep their mics off, but should be able to hear.

This is going to be fun!! We look forward to seeing you there on May 13, 2017 at NOON SLT. 

Sheila Yoshikawa: I like that romantics can still be heroes 😉

Wisdomseeker (lissena): I love that Sheila!

Camie Rembrandt: Yes, love it

Kali Pizzaro: exactly

Kali Pizzaro: i actually love this lyric

Kali Pizzaro: “As strong as you were, tender you go

I’m watching you breathing for the last time

A song for your heart, but when it is quiet

I know what it means and I’ll carry you home

I’ll carry you home”

Sheila Yoshikawa: Thanks Marly

Kali Pizzaro: reminds me of my mother…….

Wisdomseeker (lissena): aww Kali

Sheila Yoshikawa: nice kali

Kali Pizzaro: sorry for a wee sad bit

Wisdomseeker (lissena): touching

Camie Rembrandt: np Kali, it’s moving

Kali Pizzaro: and this

Kali Pizzaro: “Your soul will never grow old it is evergreen” –

Kali Pizzaro: Ed Sheeran lol

Kali Pizzaro: anyway time is up….

Kali Pizzaro: ok would you believe an hour is over

ThinkererSelby Evans (thinkerer.melville): Must go — bye all

Kali Pizzaro: Bye Selby

Sheila Yoshikawa: Also it’s traditional this time of year I say –

Beth Ghostraven: Kali and Sheila, thank you especially for sharing the poetry!

Wisdomseeker (lissena): yes that was lovely

Sheila Yoshikawa: look at the peregrine chicks which roost only 10 mins from my desk

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